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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 25, 2015 11:03:40 GMT -5
Yeah if they just want a shooter might as well get Philly to swap Hollis for Porter. Why punish Otto even more??
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 25, 2015 12:39:17 GMT -5
As an Otto fan and a Wizards fan, the whole situation is so frustrating. Was really looking forward to seeing him play on a regular basis in the NBA and hopefully raise Gtown profile a bit, along the way. Wittman, to noone's surprise but the cheap owner, is a below average NBA coach, who has very little patience and no interest in nurturing Otto's career to see that he reaches full potential. HOWEVER, I must acknowledge that some of responsibility lies with Otto, as well. When given the chance to play some legit minutes, He is quite often not assertive offensively. Perhaps because he is so skinny, he has trouble getting to the free line, which is a big deal in the NBA. Finally, his inability to create for himself (at the NBA level) does make him a bad fit for Wittman and many NBA teams. The Wiz do not seem to be a team, like the Hawks or Spurs, that can benefit from his ability to create by moving without the ball. His best chance for success here, is to actually string together two or three good games in a row, something he he has not done. He will follow good games with invisible games. So, I see the problem is a lot of Wittman, but a bit of Otto, as well. Hard to string two good games in a row when even if he does have a good game one night he more often than not gets a DNP-CD the next. The insanity of Wittman's rotations at the 2-5 aren't just effecting the confidence of Otto but everyone else in that jumble.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 25, 2015 16:37:35 GMT -5
As an Otto fan and a Wizards fan, the whole situation is so frustrating. Was really looking forward to seeing him play on a regular basis in the NBA and hopefully raise Gtown profile a bit, along the way. Wittman, to noone's surprise but the cheap owner, is a below average NBA coach, who has very little patience and no interest in nurturing Otto's career to see that he reaches full potential. HOWEVER, I must acknowledge that some of responsibility lies with Otto, as well. When given the chance to play some legit minutes, He is quite often not assertive offensively. Perhaps because he is so skinny, he has trouble getting to the free line, which is a big deal in the NBA. Finally, his inability to create for himself (at the NBA level) does make him a bad fit for Wittman and many NBA teams. The Wiz do not seem to be a team, like the Hawks or Spurs, that can benefit from his ability to create by moving without the ball. His best chance for success here, is to actually string together two or three good games in a row, something he he has not done. He will follow good games with invisible games. So, I see the problem is a lot of Wittman, but a bit of Otto, as well. Hard to string two good games in a row when even if he does have a good game one night he more often than not gets a DNP-CD the next. The insanity of Wittman's rotations at the 2-5 aren't just effecting the confidence of Otto but everyone else in that jumble. Agreed. Just making the point, I guess, that wish Otto was a little more aggressive out there, when he does hit the floor. He just seems to lack a bit of the swag that other guys in the league have. Swag..not ability. So he needs to get on a roll, with his limited opportunities, to get that confidence.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:06:56 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 25, 2015 20:06:56 GMT -5
I saw a story online with a source stating that the Sixers front office made it known that every single player was available at the trade deadline. What a fun organization to play for!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 25, 2015 21:55:28 GMT -5
Otto 10 points in 24 minutes so far.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 25, 2015 22:02:48 GMT -5
Wizards looking good against the powerhouse T-Wolves.
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Post by Filo on Feb 26, 2015 9:31:36 GMT -5
I saw a story online with a source stating that the Sixers front office made it known that every single player was available at the trade deadline. What a fun organization to play for! It really is just ludicrous. Guess Hinkie is just playing the law of averages at this point. If you continually trade for future draft picks, some of those draft picks are going to have to work out. Makes it easier than actually putting any real analysis into player ability and potential.
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Post by guru on Feb 26, 2015 12:38:41 GMT -5
Fair or not, the feeing around DC has pretty much solidified now that Otto is an official bust. I've been surprised at how ineffective he has been in the pros even in the limited opportunities given to him by Nitwit, er, Wittman. Hard not to be disappointed by how his career has gone so far.
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Post by canissaxa on Feb 26, 2015 12:58:14 GMT -5
Fair or not, the feeing around DC has pretty much solidified now that Otto is an official bust. I've been surprised at how ineffective he has been in the pros even in the limited opportunities given to him by Nitwit, er, Wittman. Hard not to be disappointed by how his career has gone so far. Huh. Very surprised to hear that. I live in the DMV and haven't heard disappointment this year about Otto. Maybe I run in more basketball-educated circles than most, but the pickup players and Wizards fans I've talked to have almost universally blamed Wittman for not playing Otto more. Seen a similar trend on twitter. If you searched Otto's name last year, it was all jokes and bust talk and third-pick-not-living-up-to-draft negativity. This year, some occasional hate, but mostly calls for him to play more over Butler/Webster (or even Pierce) surprise at how well he's playing in a given game (which I suppose is a left-handed compliment). Most of the haters are the folks that barely follow the game that would slap a "bust" label on even someone producing very decent numbers for a sophomore. Not too many players from that draft outperforming Otto on a per possession basis. Fewer still if you start to quantify Otto's defense. You can always cherry pick a handful of sleepers who outperformed (e.g. Gobert), but I don't think you can point to 5 players in that draft who are clearly outperforming Otto on per possession basis. And almost all of those who have performed better than Otto have had more consistent minutes on less competitive teams who are prioritizing player development much more than the Wizards. Given these facts + the injury + the moronic coach with no offensive system and no commitment to player development, hard to be too down on Otto for those who understand the game.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 26, 2015 13:07:55 GMT -5
Fair or not, the feeing around DC has pretty much solidified now that Otto is an official bust. I've been surprised at how ineffective he has been in the pros even in the limited opportunities given to him by Nitwit, er, Wittman. Hard not to be disappointed by how his career has gone so far. Huh. Very surprised to hear that. I live in the DMV and haven't heard disappointment this year about Otto. Maybe I run in more basketball-educated circles than most, but the pickup players and Wizards fans I've talked to have almost universally blamed Wittman for not playing Otto more. Seen a similar trend on twitter. If you searched Otto's name last year, it was all jokes and bust talk and third-pick-not-living-up-to-draft negativity. This year, some occasional hate, but mostly calls for him to play more over Butler/Webster (or even Pierce) surprise at how well he's playing in a given game (which I suppose is a left-handed compliment). Most of the haters are the folks that barely follow the game that would slap a "bust" label on even someone producing very decent numbers for a sophomore. Not too many players from that draft outperforming Otto on a per possession basis. Fewer still if you start to quantify Otto's defense. You can always cherry pick a handful of sleepers who outperformed (e.g. Gobert), but I don't think you can point to 5 players in that draft who are clearly outperforming Otto on per possession basis. And almost all of those who have performed better than Otto have had more consistent minutes on less competitive teams who are prioritizing player development much more than the Wizards. Given these facts + the injury + the moronic coach with no offensive system and no commitment to player development, hard to be too down on Otto for those who understand the game. FWIW, I haven't heard it either this year. And it would be patently unfair for anyone to say it. Last night, he got a start and significant minutes. He had both the highest ORtg and highest DRtg on the team. He wasn't merely good, he was the single best player on both sides of the court for his team. Obviously, he didn't jack up 30 shots, because that's not what he does. For the season, even with the absurdly inconsistent playing time, he's fifth on the team in offense and seventh on D in efficiency -- numbers that obviously merit more consistent playing time. He's not the best player on the team, obviously. But he's been, statistically, a solid contributor to a playoff (hopefully?!?) team. Sure, you'd like to see him be more aggressive with the ball, but he's simply not a one on one player -- he's not going to create for himself or others that way, at least not consistently. He'd be a great -- great -- player on say this year's Hawks' team. Probably a sixth man type getting considerable minutes and making tons of winning plays.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 26, 2015 13:29:52 GMT -5
Huh. Very surprised to hear that. I live in the DMV and haven't heard disappointment this year about Otto. Maybe I run in more basketball-educated circles than most, but the pickup players and Wizards fans I've talked to have almost universally blamed Wittman for not playing Otto more. Seen a similar trend on twitter. If you searched Otto's name last year, it was all jokes and bust talk and third-pick-not-living-up-to-draft negativity. This year, some occasional hate, but mostly calls for him to play more over Butler/Webster (or even Pierce) surprise at how well he's playing in a given game (which I suppose is a left-handed compliment). Most of the haters are the folks that barely follow the game that would slap a "bust" label on even someone producing very decent numbers for a sophomore. Not too many players from that draft outperforming Otto on a per possession basis. Fewer still if you start to quantify Otto's defense. You can always cherry pick a handful of sleepers who outperformed (e.g. Gobert), but I don't think you can point to 5 players in that draft who are clearly outperforming Otto on per possession basis. And almost all of those who have performed better than Otto have had more consistent minutes on less competitive teams who are prioritizing player development much more than the Wizards. Given these facts + the injury + the moronic coach with no offensive system and no commitment to player development, hard to be too down on Otto for those who understand the game. FWIW, I haven't heard it either this year. And it would be patently unfair for anyone to say it. Last night, he got a start and significant minutes. He had both the highest ORtg and highest DRtg on the team. He wasn't merely good, he was the single best player on both sides of the court for his team. Obviously, he didn't jack up 30 shots, because that's not what he does. For the season, even with the absurdly inconsistent playing time, he's fifth on the team in offense and seventh on D in efficiency -- numbers that obviously merit more consistent playing time. He's not the best player on the team, obviously. But he's been, statistically, a solid contributor to a playoff (hopefully?!?) team. Sure, you'd like to see him be more aggressive with the ball, but he's simply not a one on one player -- he's not going to create for himself or others that way, at least not consistently. He'd be a great -- great -- player on say this year's Hawks' team. Probably a sixth man type getting considerable minutes and making tons of winning plays. Agree completely. The consensus among Wiz fans (not the casual observer) is that Otto appears to be a valuable asset, with everyone guessing as to whether he will be very good or just a solid contributor. Also certain he would be much better on the Hawks or Spurs, but the fact is , most NBA teams rely much more on individual talent. Otto absolutely needs to improve his handle and strength. He has a very hard time creating offense on his own. If he wants to be a legit starting 3 in the NBA, he will have to be able to beat his man off the dribble and get to the line. Obviously, he must also improve his three point accuracy..but that is a natural progression that will happen,,,he is already much better than last year from three.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 26, 2015 13:54:59 GMT -5
I saw a story online with a source stating that the Sixers front office made it known that every single player was available at the trade deadline. What a fun organization to play for! Unfortunately, it would be great news for almost every player on the 76ers that another NBA team would actively trade for and put the player on the roster.
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Post by Locker on Feb 26, 2015 14:00:50 GMT -5
He'd be a great -- great -- player on say this year's Hawks' team. Probably a sixth man type getting considerable minutes and making tons of winning plays. Otto would be a terrific Hawk -- but he'd probably be the third best wing on the bench, behind Kent Bazemore and Thabo Sefolosha.
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Post by guru on Feb 26, 2015 14:33:09 GMT -5
FWIW, I haven't heard it either this year. And it would be patently unfair for anyone to say it. Last night, he got a start and significant minutes. He had both the highest ORtg and highest DRtg on the team. He wasn't merely good, he was the single best player on both sides of the court for his team. Obviously, he didn't jack up 30 shots, because that's not what he does. For the season, even with the absurdly inconsistent playing time, he's fifth on the team in offense and seventh on D in efficiency -- numbers that obviously merit more consistent playing time. He's not the best player on the team, obviously. But he's been, statistically, a solid contributor to a playoff (hopefully?!?) team. Sure, you'd like to see him be more aggressive with the ball, but he's simply not a one on one player -- he's not going to create for himself or others that way, at least not consistently. He'd be a great -- great -- player on say this year's Hawks' team. Probably a sixth man type getting considerable minutes and making tons of winning plays. Agree completely. The consensus among Wiz fans (not the casual observer) is that Otto appears to be a valuable asset, with everyone guessing as to whether he will be very good or just a solid contributor. Also certain he would be much better on the Hawks or Spurs, but the fact is , most NBA teams rely much more on individual talent. Otto absolutely needs to improve his handle and strength. He has a very hard time creating offense on his own. If he wants to be a legit starting 3 in the NBA, he will have to be able to beat his man off the dribble and get to the line. Obviously, he must also improve his three point accuracy..but that is a natural progression that will happen,,,he is already much better than last year from three. Kind of shocked to read this from a few of you. I end up listening to sports talk radio on my commute more than I'd care to, and can tell you that the feeling from the hosts and callers I've heard - on both stations in town - is that Otto is a bust and that his pick, along with the Vesely one, were pretty much wasted by the team. Not sure who you guys are talking or listening to, but it's certainly not an outlandish remark. I hang out with several avid Wizards fans, and can tell you that not one of them seems to consider him much of an asset to the team. I hope they're wrong, but this is certainly a feeling that is out there about him.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 26, 2015 14:46:15 GMT -5
Agree completely. The consensus among Wiz fans (not the casual observer) is that Otto appears to be a valuable asset, with everyone guessing as to whether he will be very good or just a solid contributor. Also certain he would be much better on the Hawks or Spurs, but the fact is , most NBA teams rely much more on individual talent. Otto absolutely needs to improve his handle and strength. He has a very hard time creating offense on his own. If he wants to be a legit starting 3 in the NBA, he will have to be able to beat his man off the dribble and get to the line. Obviously, he must also improve his three point accuracy..but that is a natural progression that will happen,,,he is already much better than last year from three. Kind of shocked to read this from a few of you. I end up listening to sports talk radio on my commute more than I'd care to, and can tell you that the feeling from the hosts and callers I've heard - on both stations in town - is that Otto is a bust and that his pick, along with the Vesely one, were pretty much wasted by the team. Not sure who you guys are talking or listening to, but it's certainly not an outlandish remark. I hang out with several avid Wizards fans, and can tell you that not one of them seems to consider him much of an asset to the team. I hope they're wrong, but this is certainly a feeling that is out there about him. Not a shot at you, guru, but that's the answer to your question. The vast majority of these guys are allergic to intelligent analysis and would assume that efficiency rating referred to something on a light bulb (if efficiency weren't too big a word for their airwaves to begin with). I'm not saying there's no one out there saying it. And I'm not saying, by the way, that Otto is definitely going to be a star let alone a long-time valuable starter. And I agree with those that say he needs to be more assertive. But the people I discuss the team with are unanimous in thinking that he is a valuable player now, doesn't play enough for either the team's short-term or long-term benefit, and could yet develop into a very good player.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 26, 2015 15:47:51 GMT -5
He'd be a great -- great -- player on say this year's Hawks' team. Probably a sixth man type getting considerable minutes and making tons of winning plays. Otto would be a terrific Hawk -- but he'd probably be the third best wing on the bench, behind Kent Bazemore and Thabo Sefolosha. You mean the guys averaging 4 and 2, and 5 and 4, respectively? Really?
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 26, 2015 15:52:33 GMT -5
I'll put together an analysis on Otto at the end of the season comparing him to all #3 picks dating back to 1980. It won't be pretty.
You can blame Wittman, relative weakness of Otto's draft year, or whatever you like, but at the end of year 2, Otto's NBA impact and performance will likely be among the bottom 5 of his #3 pick cohort.
Obviously, that could change quickly if Pierce and Butler are let go and Otto gets big minutes starting in year 3. But the year 1-2 numbers are not good when he is benchmarked against this peer set.
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Post by Locker on Feb 26, 2015 15:54:24 GMT -5
Otto would be a terrific Hawk -- but he'd probably be the third best wing on the bench, behind Kent Bazemore and Thabo Sefolosha. You mean the guys averaging 4 and 2, and 5 and 4, respectively? Really? Yup. That Hawks second unit is terrific.
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Post by dense on Feb 26, 2015 16:45:21 GMT -5
I'll put together an analysis on Otto at the end of the season comparing him to all #3 picks dating back to 1980. It won't be pretty. You can blame Wittman, relative weakness of Otto's draft year, or whatever you like, but at the end of year 2, Otto's NBA impact and performance will likely be among the bottom 5 of his #3 pick cohort. Obviously, that could change quickly if Pierce and Butler are let go and Otto gets big minutes starting in year 3. But the year 1-2 numbers are not good when he is benchmarked against this peer set. Comparing him to other #3 picks is fine but Anthony Bennett has had more of an opportunity than Otto has and he definitely stinks. You can be like Wittman and say anything you want about Otto's aggressiveness but when you try to make a team play an offense that doesn't work and won't adjust to the personal. It's you.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 26, 2015 17:28:18 GMT -5
I'll put together an analysis on Otto at the end of the season comparing him to all #3 picks dating back to 1980. It won't be pretty. You can blame Wittman, relative weakness of Otto's draft year, or whatever you like, but at the end of year 2, Otto's NBA impact and performance will likely be among the bottom 5 of his #3 pick cohort. Obviously, that could change quickly if Pierce and Butler are let go and Otto gets big minutes starting in year 3. But the year 1-2 numbers are not good when he is benchmarked against this peer set. That same analysis would probably be true for every single one of the top 10 picks in the 2013 draft. It's a totally invalid comparison, Anthony Bennett was a bad pick because the guys after him were better, not because Anthony Davis went #1 in 2012. If you want to make an argument for Len or Zeller over Porter, go ahead.
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