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Post by iheartdurenbros on May 5, 2018 13:10:49 GMT -5
Did anyone else see that Porter just had surgery? Presumably he will be done with rehab before beginning of next season. That will make trading him difficult— at least if part of objective is to get pieces you need. Personally I think Ernie Grunfeld has had a terrible record with the draft and does badly securing complementary pieces. It may make sense to trade Porter, but Wiz fans everywhere have to lack confidence in securing a good trade for Otto.
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Post by vv83 on May 5, 2018 13:30:26 GMT -5
Did anyone else see that Porter just had surgery? Presumably he will be done with rehab before beginning of next season. That will make trading him difficult— at least if part of objective is to get pieces you need. Personally I think Ernie Grunfeld has had a terrible record with the draft and does badly securing complementary pieces. It may make sense to trade Porter, but Wiz fans everywhere have to lack confidence in securing a good trade for Otto. It will be tough to get a good deal for either Otto or Wall, because they both make so much money. Salary cap space around the NBA is tighter than it has been in years, because most teams overspent when the cap took a huge bump upwards after the last massive TV deal was signed. There are only about 6-8 teams that could absorb either of these salaries without trading back roughly the same amount in salaries, and the players you would be getting back would be far inferior players to Otto/Wall for similar salary cap dollars. Unless a team is willing to trade first round draft picks along with the overpriced players, it would be very hard for any GM to get good value out of trading Otto or Wall. And the wizards would have to be willing to take a significant step back in short term on-court performance if they trade one of these guys for essentially nothing but draft picks. They most likely would not free up significant salary cap dollars to add other good players, and it would take incredible good fortune for them to draft a 2018 rookie who gave them anywhere near what Wall or Otto would them on the court in 2018-19.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 5, 2018 14:38:51 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on May 5, 2018 15:13:35 GMT -5
Did anyone else see that Porter just had surgery? Presumably he will be done with rehab before beginning of next season. That will make trading him difficult— at least if part of objective is to get pieces you need. Personally I think Ernie Grunfeld has had a terrible record with the draft and does badly securing complementary pieces. It may make sense to trade Porter, but Wiz fans everywhere have to lack confidence in securing a good trade for Otto. Porter's surgery for compartment syndrome was announced before the game 6 loss to Toronto -- that's why he didn't play in that loss and had a subpar series. Playing hurt throughout. www.bulletsforever.com/2018/4/27/17290642/otto-porter-washington-wizards-injury-game-6
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Post by DanMcQ on May 5, 2018 19:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on May 7, 2018 9:03:44 GMT -5
IS GREG MONROE HURT seems he hasnt played for the celts in the playoffs despite some great time at end of regular season
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Post by lichoya68 on May 7, 2018 9:04:21 GMT -5
good luck to otto GREAT HOYA
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Post by tashoya on May 13, 2018 15:15:54 GMT -5
He's not exactly the focus of the offense. A complementary stat, Wall's % from 2, is more concerning considering he's taking about 4 more of those per game than Otto.
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Post by jester on May 15, 2018 22:04:34 GMT -5
Man, what happened to Jeff Green? hes been a shell of his former self. Was just awful in the playoff game, from energy to focus /decision-making to production (-17 +/-, 5 TOs, two pretty bad ones as Cleveland was trying to make a run in 4Q) . Wondering if he even plays next year in NBA. He's capable (check out his 33 pts against 76ers just a month ago), but just not sure he's proven he is worth a spot on a young team or playoff team.
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Post by bostonfan on May 16, 2018 7:20:43 GMT -5
Man, what happened to Jeff Green? hes been a shell of his former self. Was just awful in the playoff game, from energy to focus /decision-making to production (-17 +/-, 5 TOs, two pretty bad ones as Cleveland was trying to make a run in 4Q) . Wondering if he even plays next year in NBA. He's capable (check out his 33 pts against 76ers just a month ago), but just not sure he's proven he is worth a spot on a young team or playoff team. I have always liked Jeff as a player but he has never really fulfilled the potential he had when he entered the league. He seems to be caught in the middle between being physically capable of being a go to scoring option but not having the consistent offensive aggressiveness that the legit go to guys always show. There are games when he looks like an All Star and can physically dominate opponents and take games over and then the next game he just drifts around the floor and waits for the game to come to him and ends up disappearing. It has been frustrating for years that he has not become a more impactful player.
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Post by prhoya on May 16, 2018 7:36:11 GMT -5
Man, what happened to Jeff Green? hes been a shell of his former self. Was just awful in the playoff game, from energy to focus /decision-making to production (-17 +/-, 5 TOs, two pretty bad ones as Cleveland was trying to make a run in 4Q) . Wondering if he even plays next year in NBA. He's capable (check out his 33 pts against 76ers just a month ago), but just not sure he's proven he is worth a spot on a young team or playoff team. I have always liked Jeff as a player but he has never really fulfilled the potential he had when he entered the league. He seems to be caught in the middle between being physically capable of being a go to scoring option but not having the consistent offensive aggressiveness that the legit go to guys always show. There are games when he looks like an All Star and can physically dominate opponents and take games over and then the next game he just drifts around the floor and waits for the game to come to him and ends up disappearing. It has been frustrating for years that he has not become a more impactful player. That brought back memories from the Ohio State game. He only had 5 FGAs (made 4).
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 16, 2018 8:04:45 GMT -5
Man, what happened to Jeff Green? hes been a shell of his former self. Was just awful in the playoff game, from energy to focus /decision-making to production (-17 +/-, 5 TOs, two pretty bad ones as Cleveland was trying to make a run in 4Q) . Wondering if he even plays next year in NBA. He's capable (check out his 33 pts against 76ers just a month ago), but just not sure he's proven he is worth a spot on a young team or playoff team. He did not play well last night- but he has made an overall positive impact on one of the last four team standing in the NBA. If he is healthy, he should make a team next year. And I disagree that his energy or focus were bad. He just seemed to be off to me.
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Post by vv83 on May 16, 2018 8:44:22 GMT -5
Man, what happened to Jeff Green? hes been a shell of his former self. Was just awful in the playoff game, from energy to focus /decision-making to production (-17 +/-, 5 TOs, two pretty bad ones as Cleveland was trying to make a run in 4Q) . Wondering if he even plays next year in NBA. He's capable (check out his 33 pts against 76ers just a month ago), but just not sure he's proven he is worth a spot on a young team or playoff team. I have always liked Jeff as a player but he has never really fulfilled the potential he had when he entered the league. He seems to be caught in the middle between being physically capable of being a go to scoring option but not having the consistent offensive aggressiveness that the legit go to guys always show. There are games when he looks like an All Star and can physically dominate opponents and take games over and then the next game he just drifts around the floor and waits for the game to come to him and ends up disappearing. It has been frustrating for years that he has not become a more impactful player. I listen to a lot of NBA podcasts, and Jeff is often brought up as one of the most frustrating, disappointing player in the NBA. The running joke is how many fan bases have been disappointed by his tantalizing potential. He played well early on in seattle/OKC/Boston. He could still be passive and inconsistent, but on the whole he was a pretty solid player. But since he left Boston, he has been even more inconsistent and has ended up being a journeyman player. I have never heard anyone come up with a real explanation. It just seems to be the way he is wired mentally/emotionally. The inconsistency/passivity was an issue at Georgetown, and it never changed in his NBA career.
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Post by Elvado on May 16, 2018 8:54:46 GMT -5
I have always liked Jeff as a player but he has never really fulfilled the potential he had when he entered the league. He seems to be caught in the middle between being physically capable of being a go to scoring option but not having the consistent offensive aggressiveness that the legit go to guys always show. There are games when he looks like an All Star and can physically dominate opponents and take games over and then the next game he just drifts around the floor and waits for the game to come to him and ends up disappearing. It has been frustrating for years that he has not become a more impactful player. I listen to a lot of NBA podcasts, and Jeff is often brought up as one of the most frustrating, disappointing player in the NBA. The running joke is how many fan bases have been disappointed by his tantalizing potential. He played well early on in seattle/OKC/Boston. He could still be passive and inconsistent, but on the whole he was a pretty solid player. But since he left Boston, he has been even more inconsistent and has ended up being a journeyman player. I have never heard anyone come up with a real explanation. It just seems to be the way he is wired mentally/emotionally. The inconsistency/passivity was an issue at Georgetown, and it never changed in his NBA career. I still cringe at the fact that he only attempted 5 shots vs Ohio State in the Final Four. After willing them to win against ND and Vandy earlier that same March, he all but disappeared in Atlanta.
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Post by vv83 on May 16, 2018 11:11:30 GMT -5
I listen to a lot of NBA podcasts, and Jeff is often brought up as one of the most frustrating, disappointing player in the NBA. The running joke is how many fan bases have been disappointed by his tantalizing potential. He played well early on in seattle/OKC/Boston. He could still be passive and inconsistent, but on the whole he was a pretty solid player. But since he left Boston, he has been even more inconsistent and has ended up being a journeyman player. I have never heard anyone come up with a real explanation. It just seems to be the way he is wired mentally/emotionally. The inconsistency/passivity was an issue at Georgetown, and it never changed in his NBA career. I still cringe at the fact that he only attempted 5 shots vs Ohio State in the Final Four. After willing them to win against ND and Vandy earlier that same March, he all but disappeared in Atlanta. My favorite Green game was at Villanova that year. He was great, and beating Nova in Philly in a big game is always a top notch experience. It really is mystifying - why is he so passive so often, when he has the talent to be one of the best players on the floor most nights? Even in the NBA, every once in awhile he would decide to assert himself and he would put up a monster game. He had a game of around 50 points against the Lebron Heat one year. Even this year, I think he had one 30+ point game in the second half of the season. Then the next night, he'll score 6 points and take only a handful of shots. Really an odd, frustrating player to root for. He certainly seems like a wonderful guy, and he has made a boatload of money in the NBA. But his career will always be seen historically as a weird footnote of underachievement.
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Post by jester on May 16, 2018 11:43:47 GMT -5
To your point as to the mystery, in Ringer article last week they referred to “pre Alien abduction Jeff Green”
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Post by iowa80 on May 16, 2018 11:50:15 GMT -5
Jeff played poorly last night but the Celtics aggressiveness makes for a pretty bad matchup for him. The Cavs, with their need for complimentary players, are a good situation for him as long as the 'Bron show is in town. At least Jeff plays clean, unlike J.R. Smith who was terrible and also could have ended Al Horford's season.
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Post by McBricks on May 16, 2018 14:31:12 GMT -5
Man, what happened to Jeff Green? hes been a shell of his former self. Was just awful in the playoff game, from energy to focus /decision-making to production (-17 +/-, 5 TOs, two pretty bad ones as Cleveland was trying to make a run in 4Q) . Wondering if he even plays next year in NBA. He's capable (check out his 33 pts against 76ers just a month ago), but just not sure he's proven he is worth a spot on a young team or playoff team. He's on the Cavs. What do you expect?
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