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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jun 27, 2015 23:19:00 GMT -5
Wittman is pretty mind boggling sometimes but if he plays Oubre at the expense of Porter, he needs to be fired on the spot. FWIW, I recently spoke with an acquaintance who is on the Wiz coaching staff ( my one bball contact in this world!) Interestingly, he was not that high on Otto earlier in his career, feeling he was just too passive . He now says they consider him the best offensive rebounder on the team and a strong defender, who just needs to get stronger and work on the the NBA three pointer. He indicated that as of now, the plan is for Otto to START at the 3 and the Wiz hope/expect Pierce to return and start at the 4. Nene will come off the bench. They look at Oubre as a backup 2 and 3, who needs at least a year of seasoning to contribute much. Otto is passive offensively sometimes to a casual observer. But is being the best defender on the floor and best offensive rebounder actually "passive"? Obviously no. Otto defers but he's not really passive.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 28, 2015 5:48:26 GMT -5
FWIW, I recently spoke with an acquaintance who is on the Wiz coaching staff ( my one bball contact in this world!) Interestingly, he was not that high on Otto earlier in his career, feeling he was just too passive . He now says they consider him the best offensive rebounder on the team and a strong defender, who just needs to get stronger and work on the the NBA three pointer. He indicated that as of now, the plan is for Otto to START at the 3 and the Wiz hope/expect Pierce to return and start at the 4. Nene will come off the bench. They look at Oubre as a backup 2 and 3, who needs at least a year of seasoning to contribute much. Otto is passive offensively sometimes to a casual observer. But is being the best defender on the floor and best offensive rebounder actually "passive"? Obviously no. Otto defers but he's not really passive. I read the comment to mean that the guy thought that earlier in Otto's career, he considered him to be too passive and now that opinion has changed.
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Post by beenaround on Jun 28, 2015 8:39:11 GMT -5
Otto is passive offensively sometimes to a casual observer. But is being the best defender on the floor and best offensive rebounder actually "passive"? Obviously no. Otto defers but he's not really passive. I read the comment to mean that the guy thought that earlier in Otto's career, he considered him to be too passive and now that opinion has changed. EXACTLY!
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 28, 2015 14:32:26 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 28, 2015 20:16:41 GMT -5
Casual said Whit also is with Miami but I don't see him on the Miami list.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 29, 2015 0:24:50 GMT -5
The author of that piece is a clown. Look at his comments below. Despite what he says, he hates Otto ("I really like Otto, but I don’t think he will be as good as Kelly Oubre. Kelly might even embarrass him a couple of time in training camp.")
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jun 29, 2015 2:02:13 GMT -5
The author of that piece is a clown. Look at his comments below. Despite what he says, he hates Otto ("I really like Otto, but I don’t think he will be as good as Kelly Oubre. Kelly might even embarrass him a couple of time in training camp.") To be fair, Otto is getting some unwarranted criticisms, but Oubre does have a higher ceiling than Otto with his athleticism and other intangible qualities. Whether Oubre actually reaches his ceiling, and if so, when, are the questions here. That said, I don't ever think Oubre will in any-way replace Otto on the line-up with two of them being completely different players. Not to mention, it will take a lot of years of seasoning for Oubre to actually make contributions in the league.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 29, 2015 6:50:48 GMT -5
The author of that piece is a clown. Look at his comments below. Despite what he says, he hates Otto ("I really like Otto, but I don’t think he will be as good as Kelly Oubre. Kelly might even embarrass him a couple of time in training camp.") To be fair, Otto is getting some unwarranted criticisms, but Oubre does have a higher ceiling than Otto with his athleticism and other intangible qualities. Whether Oubre actually reaches his ceiling, and if so, when, are the questions here. That said, I don't ever think Oubre will in any-way replace Otto on the line-up with two of them being completely different players. Not to mention, it will take a lot of years of seasoning for Oubre to actually make contributions in the league. Really? What "intangibles" does Oubre possess that Otto does not? And can we please stop with the "Otto isn't athletic" BS. When did that become a thing?
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Post by tashoya on Jun 29, 2015 7:17:40 GMT -5
Wittman is pretty mind boggling sometimes but if he plays Oubre at the expense of Porter, he needs to be fired on the spot. FWIW, I recently spoke with an acquaintance who is on the Wiz coaching staff ( my one bball contact in this world!) Interestingly, he was not that high on Otto earlier in his career, feeling he was just too passive . He now says they consider him the best offensive rebounder on the team and a strong defender, who just needs to get stronger and work on the the NBA three pointer. He indicated that as of now, the plan is for Otto to START at the 3 and the Wiz hope/expect Pierce to return and start at the 4. Nene will come off the bench. They look at Oubre as a backup 2 and 3, who needs at least a year of seasoning to contribute much. Does your acquaintance watch any college games of the guys they draft?
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 29, 2015 7:18:47 GMT -5
The author of that piece is a clown. Look at his comments below. Despite what he says, he hates Otto ("I really like Otto, but I don’t think he will be as good as Kelly Oubre. Kelly might even embarrass him a couple of time in training camp.") To be fair, Otto is getting some unwarranted criticisms, but Oubre does have a higher ceiling than Otto with his athleticism and other intangible qualities. Whether Oubre actually reaches his ceiling, and if so, when, are the questions here. That said, I don't ever think Oubre will in any-way replace Otto on the line-up with two of them being completely different players. Not to mention, it will take a lot of years of seasoning for Oubre to actually make contributions in the league. Oubre is very very small for a small forward. Tiny. He is under 6-7 with shoes. Otto is 6-9. They have virtually identical wingspans and vertical leaps. Otto has a four inch advantage in standing reach. So from a physical standpoint Otto has a much higher ceiling. From a mental and skill/basketball iq Otto also has a much higher ceiling. The Oubre pick is a head scratcher. Undersized guy who underachieved. And ku has a history of busts recently with supposedly hyper athletic guys like Ben mclemore and Thomas Robinson. This has Gomer Pyles fingerprints all over this selection.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 29, 2015 7:25:01 GMT -5
The author of that piece is a clown. Look at his comments below. Despite what he says, he hates Otto ("I really like Otto, but I don’t think he will be as good as Kelly Oubre. Kelly might even embarrass him a couple of time in training camp.") To be fair, Otto is getting some unwarranted criticisms, but Oubre does have a higher ceiling than Otto with his athleticism and other intangible qualities. Whether Oubre actually reaches his ceiling, and if so, when, are the questions here. That said, I don't ever think Oubre will in any-way replace Otto on the line-up with two of them being completely different players. Not to mention, it will take a lot of years of seasoning for Oubre to actually make contributions in the league. Otto has better "intangibles" than most. It's why it takes people longer to realize his value even when he's not scoring. As for tangibles, I think we know who has the leg up there and it's not remotely close. www.bulletsforever.com/2015/6/27/8856425/kelly-oubre-washington-wizards-basketball-illiterate-nba-draft-2015
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 29, 2015 7:25:55 GMT -5
Wittman is pretty mind boggling sometimes but if he plays Oubre at the expense of Porter, he needs to be fired on the spot. FWIW, I recently spoke with an acquaintance who is on the Wiz coaching staff ( my one bball contact in this world!) Interestingly, he was not that high on Otto earlier in his career, feeling he was just too passive . He now says they consider him the best offensive rebounder on the team and a strong defender, who just needs to get stronger and work on the the NBA three pointer. He indicated that as of now, the plan is for Otto to START at the 3 and the Wiz hope/expect Pierce to return and start at the 4. Nene will come off the bench. They look at Oubre as a backup 2 and 3, who needs at least a year of seasoning to contribute much. If people had done their homework they would have known that Otto was a monster rebounder from day 1. After all he did grab 35 rebounds in the state championship for Polk High. You don't get 35 rebounds without rebounding instinct, positioning/rebound carom awareness, desire and motor. A lot of that can't be taught. You either have it or you don't.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 29, 2015 7:35:02 GMT -5
I'm waiting on that Oubre intangible comment as well.
He's athletic. I saw little else.
Both he and Alexander were horrible underachievers at Kansas.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 29, 2015 7:56:31 GMT -5
To be fair, Otto is getting some unwarranted criticisms, but Oubre does have a higher ceiling than Otto with his athleticism and other intangible qualities. Whether Oubre actually reaches his ceiling, and if so, when, are the questions here. That said, I don't ever think Oubre will in any-way replace Otto on the line-up with two of them being completely different players. Not to mention, it will take a lot of years of seasoning for Oubre to actually make contributions in the league. Otto has better "intangibles" than most. It's why it takes people longer to realize his value even when he's not scoring. As for tangibles, I think we know who has the leg up there and it's not remotely close. www.bulletsforever.com/2015/6/27/8856425/kelly-oubre-washington-wizards-basketball-illiterate-nba-draft-2015"Illiterate" "low ball iq" Sounds like he's lazy and not a hard worker. He had some of the best coaches at KU and didn't take advantage of that. Or even Hollis ronde Jefferson than this underachiever. I wish we would have drafted Jerian grant, Sam decker
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Post by beenaround on Jun 29, 2015 8:05:50 GMT -5
FWIW, I recently spoke with an acquaintance who is on the Wiz coaching staff ( my one bball contact in this world!) Interestingly, he was not that high on Otto earlier in his career, feeling he was just too passive . He now says they consider him the best offensive rebounder on the team and a strong defender, who just needs to get stronger and work on the the NBA three pointer. He indicated that as of now, the plan is for Otto to START at the 3 and the Wiz hope/expect Pierce to return and start at the 4. Nene will come off the bench. They look at Oubre as a backup 2 and 3, who needs at least a year of seasoning to contribute much. If people had done their homework they would have known that Otto was a monster rebounder from day 1. After all he did grab 35 rebounds in the state championship for Polk High. You don't get 35 rebounds without rebounding instinct, positioning/rebound carom awareness, desire and motor. A lot of that can't be taught. You either have it or you don't. Of course we all know that stuff on this board! But the guy I was quoting is all NBA 365 days a year. Making video, helping with practice, etc. So he doesn't watch much college, or follow Otto as a Hoya. He was simply stating what he and the coaching staff had SEEN from Otto in his time WITH the WIZARDS in practice and games. They felt he was too passive on offense and even, defense, believe it or not. While those of us on Hoyatalk were expecting his great play late in the season and postseason, he acted as if it was a pleasant surprise, as if the"light bulb" finally came one. I simply think it was just the confidence gained from not being pulled after two minutes of play. But the good takeaway is that Otto is now expected to be starting at the 3, at least at this point in the offseason.
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