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Post by jester on Apr 26, 2015 22:56:04 GMT -5
"Like a team playing the hoyas" haha exactly what I was thinking!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 27, 2015 8:48:43 GMT -5
Well that seems like a terrible plan since mid range jump shots are the least efficient play in basketball. If he wants to work on his mid range shot he should do it 1) in practice and 2) early in the game. He shouldn't be doing with the game on the line to win the game. The play before he was able to get right to the rim. Instead of at least attempting the same thing he apparently according to you just did the same set play for a terrible shot he does every quarter? Yeah but he already has every part of his game down and if he wants to become a superstar aka MVP he has to be able to score in those ways too a la Kobe and KD and CP3. And he worked on that facet in the right exact moment. The outcome of the game wasn't seriously in question but there was still enough (playoff) pressure for it to matter. The game was not on the line at that point.....you think he didn't plan to take a bad shot? Not that it wasn't inconseq but it wasn't that big of a deal, as evidenced by the outcome too.... Huh the play I'm talking about was a shot to win the game in regulation in game 1 how can you say the outcome of the game wasn't seriously in question. If he tries to drive to the hoop and maybe at least draws contact, scores, or draws the defense enough to kick to an open shooter they win in regulation and don't have to go to overtime. Yes they won in overtime but that wasn't guaranteed when the play occurred. That was not the moment to be practicing it was a moment to win the game. I agree it's something to work on, but not in that situation. It was either a bad decision by him or by the coaching staff.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 27, 2015 8:50:24 GMT -5
Yeah but he already has every part of his game down and if he wants to become a superstar aka MVP he has to be able to score in those ways too a la Kobe and KD and CP3. And he worked on that facet in the right exact moment. The outcome of the game wasn't seriously in question but there was still enough (playoff) pressure for it to matter. The game was not on the line at that point.....you think he didn't plan to take a bad shot? Not that it wasn't inconseq but it wasn't that big of a deal, as evidenced by the outcome too.... Huh the play I'm talking about was a shot to win the game in regulation in game 1 how can you say the outcome of the game wasn't seriously in question. If he tries to drive to the hoop and maybe at least draws contact, scores, or draws the defense enough to kick to an open shooter they win in regulation and don't have to go to overtime. Yes they won in overtime but that wasn't guaranteed when the play occurred. That was not the moment to be practicing it was a moment to win the game. I agree it's something to work on, but not in that situation. It was either a bad decision by him or by the coaching staff. Did I miss the seasons that John Wall played for the Hoyas?
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 27, 2015 9:02:46 GMT -5
I think you need to find a better definition of bad shot. It's relative. I'm not saying Steph takes tough shots that he was a better chance of making than John, I'm saying that he takes as many or more bad shots, shots that have the same r elative likelihood of Johns shots as going in because of the degree of difficulty relative to actual ability. And a contested 25 footer from a defender is a contested is the same for any player. Contested implies there is a certain degree of affect on the outcome of the shot, it's not desctiptive of the action of contesting. John shoots well from threr, percentage-wise, when he shoots with confidence. Usually regardless of distance. He tends to shoot poorly when he hesitates or questions the shot. In that situation he knew he was going to take the shot, so he was going to shoot as the shooter he really is (which is underrated, mostly in part because he gets better every game). The lack of passing was a case of a lack of floor vision, which is what you accused him of. Not general vision. He didn't look because he didn't have to, he's the franchise player that has put this team on his back all season, through better or for worse. I'm not picking fights, why does every poster have to cry that discussions are fights? I don't know you, there's no emotion involved. This is a message board, they aren't fights they are just a differing of opinions via a text medium, have some perspective. You say I'm blowing it out of proportion, but you basically criticized John for something that the stats directly refute and you still refuse to believe it. John takes less bad shots that the vast majority of high usage players in the league in late game situations. Those are facts. Better shooters make tougher shots because they're better shooters. The shot I referenced was a bad one. It's not really debatable. And he didn't look to pass on that possession. He was taking the shot regardless. It's not questioning his vision if he wasn't looking. You accuse other people of not listening to others in terms of points they're making. Pot, meet kettle. You're also the one that, on a consistent basis, either makes it or attempts to make it personal. You're correct in saying that you don't know me. As such, don't take shots at me without knowing thing one about me. I didn't do that. You did. But continue, undeterred, with your own narrative as you always do. I'll continue to find it (mostly) funny. Duh better shooters make tougher shots, what's your point? Just because you're a good shooter doesn't mean there isn't a bad shot for you.... And floor vision isn't he same as generall vision, so you're flip flopping on what you're accusing him of or you just don't know the difference. Playing what you claim to be the hot hand at the time would've involved recognition through his floor vision. When have I ever accused you of not listening to other posters? Not to mention I have been replying to your posts very thoroughly and addressed everything, which is not usually worth my time. But how exactly did I take shots at you? By showing you, through factual support, that your argument was flawed?? Seriously, you are being too sensitive. There was nothing in my post that targeted you or singled you out.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 27, 2015 9:04:41 GMT -5
Yeah but he already has every part of his game down and if he wants to become a superstar aka MVP he has to be able to score in those ways too a la Kobe and KD and CP3. And he worked on that facet in the right exact moment. The outcome of the game wasn't seriously in question but there was still enough (playoff) pressure for it to matter. The game was not on the line at that point.....you think he didn't plan to take a bad shot? Not that it wasn't inconseq but it wasn't that big of a deal, as evidenced by the outcome too.... Huh the play I'm talking about was a shot to win the game in regulation in game 1 how can you say the outcome of the game wasn't seriously in question. If he tries to drive to the hoop and maybe at least draws contact, scores, or draws the defense enough to kick to an open shooter they win in regulation and don't have to go to overtime. Yes they won in overtime but that wasn't guaranteed when the play occurred. That was not the moment to be practicing it was a moment to win the game. I agree it's something to work on, but not in that situation. It was either a bad decision by him or by the coaching staff. My bad I thought you were talking about the 30 footer he took after milking the clock that some poster is complaining about
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Post by tashoya on Apr 27, 2015 9:41:42 GMT -5
Better shooters make tougher shots because they're better shooters. The shot I referenced was a bad one. It's not really debatable. And he didn't look to pass on that possession. He was taking the shot regardless. It's not questioning his vision if he wasn't looking. You accuse other people of not listening to others in terms of points they're making. Pot, meet kettle. You're also the one that, on a consistent basis, either makes it or attempts to make it personal. You're correct in saying that you don't know me. As such, don't take shots at me without knowing thing one about me. I didn't do that. You did. But continue, undeterred, with your own narrative as you always do. I'll continue to find it (mostly) funny. Duh better shooters make tougher shots, what's your point? Just because you're a good shooter doesn't mean there isn't a bad shot for you.... And floor vision isn't he same as generall vision, so you're flip flopping on what you're accusing him of or you just don't know the difference. Playing what you claim to be the hot hand at the time would've involved recognition through his floor vision. When have I ever accused you of not listening to other posters? Not to mention I have been replying to your posts very thoroughly and addressed everything, which is not usually worth my time. But how exactly did I take shots at you? By showing you, through factual support, that your argument was flawed?? Seriously, you are being too sensitive. There was nothing in my post that targeted you or singled you out. I pointed out the better shooter thing because you, apparently, missed that fact. And there was no flip-flopping. You "read" what you choose to read. Finally, it's hilarious that Editeding contests aren't "worth your time." It's pretty much all you do here. Thanks for the laugh though.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 27, 2015 9:49:27 GMT -5
A thread about "NBA Hoyas," and we have a two-page debate about the quality of John Wall's jumper out to 35 feet. I love this Board.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 27, 2015 16:27:59 GMT -5
Duh better shooters make tougher shots, what's your point? Just because you're a good shooter doesn't mean there isn't a bad shot for you.... And floor vision isn't he same as generall vision, so you're flip flopping on what you're accusing him of or you just don't know the difference. Playing what you claim to be the hot hand at the time would've involved recognition through his floor vision. When have I ever accused you of not listening to other posters? Not to mention I have been replying to your posts very thoroughly and addressed everything, which is not usually worth my time. But how exactly did I take shots at you? By showing you, through factual support, that your argument was flawed?? Seriously, you are being too sensitive. There was nothing in my post that targeted you or singled you out. I pointed out the better shooter thing because you, apparently, missed that fact. And there was no flip-flopping. You "read" what you choose to read. Finally, it's hilarious that Editeding contests aren't "worth your time." It's pretty much all you do here. Thanks for the laugh though. We are just not at all on the same page man. Probably best to let it go if you won't real what I wrote.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 28, 2015 6:18:18 GMT -5
Wittman offense is susceptible to comebacks, they run 1/4 PnRs all day. When it's a stretch 4 that can hit a 3 with walls speed this offense would be unstoppable but having Nene, Humphries and Drew Gooden shooting long 2 ' s and in Gooden case some 3's teams will take that all day. He is stuck in this you have to have 2 bigs out there mentality. Thankfully Pierce convinced him to go with him at the 4. If they play Atlanta they are going to have to play small again. The 4's that the Wizards have can't recover quick enough on screen and pops and also weakside to cover shooters. That's why the Hawks and the Raptors had owned the Wizards in the regular season. Otto better be playing 35 mins a game in a Hawks series. Has Wittman seen the light? Or is Pierce really coaching the team? "During the regular season, the Wizards took 34.9 percent of their shots from mid-range. In the playoffs, that has dropped to 25.3 percent." www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2015/04/27/wizards-re-tooled-offense-has-them-playing-like-a-title-contender/
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Post by jorand on Apr 28, 2015 9:42:22 GMT -5
grantland.com/the-triangle/winners-and-losers-in-the-nba-playoffs/Porter’s emergence as a quality two-way player could realign the entire long-term trajectory of the franchise. They would have a real core, not just a duo in need of reinforcements everywhere. Porter enveloped DeRozan on defense; DeRozan shot 34 percent with Porter on the floor and 47 percent otherwise, per NBA.com. Porter still makes all the typical young-guy mistakes on defense, but the Wizards have realized he has the length and quickness to recover immediately:
Porter hit jumpers, murdered the glass, and made slicing off-ball cuts for easy buckets.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 28, 2015 10:09:29 GMT -5
grantland.com/the-triangle/winners-and-losers-in-the-nba-playoffs/Porter’s emergence as a quality two-way player could realign the entire long-term trajectory of the franchise. They would have a real core, not just a duo in need of reinforcements everywhere. Porter enveloped DeRozan on defense; DeRozan shot 34 percent with Porter on the floor and 47 percent otherwise, per NBA.com. Porter still makes all the typical young-guy mistakes on defense, but the Wizards have realized he has the length and quickness to recover immediately:
Porter hit jumpers, murdered the glass, and made slicing off-ball cuts for easy buckets. Imagine if he'd played more last year and this year and had already worked through those young-guy mistakes.
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Post by bmartin on Apr 28, 2015 10:32:07 GMT -5
The evidence was there. This is from early March: The Wizards finally found a small ball lineup that works www.bulletsforever.com/2015/3/5/8157695/washington-wizards-small-ball-lineup-chicago-bulls-otto-porter-neneOn Tuesday night, Randy Wittman rolled out an interesting lineup late in the game to try to get back into it against the Bulls. Nene was on the bench after fouling out, and rather than go big with Drew Gooden and Marcin Gortat down low, Wittman opted to go small with John Wall, Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, Paul Pierce and Marcin Gortat.
Over the next 3 minutes and 53 seconds, the Wizards outscored the Bulls 13-7. Keep in mind that was with Aaron Brooks hitting an ill-advised three that John Wall contested fairly well, as well as Bradley Beal missing a good look that could have tied the game.
Yes, we realize this is an incredibly small sample ... But the results here are really encouraging for a team that's been desperate to find an effective small ball lineup. What's especially encouraging is how the unit was able to get the job done offensively and defensively.
... Believe it or not, this was the first time all season the Wizards have used Wall, Beal, Porter, Pierce and Gortat together on the floor at the same time. This is despite the fact that Paul Pierce and Otto Porter have a better net rating than any other two-man pairing on the team that's played at least 100 minutes together.
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Post by beenaround on Apr 28, 2015 10:42:54 GMT -5
Maybe I'm weird, but I am really really enjoying Otto's performances in the playoffs and the corresponding positive media response. Not sure why there is so much focus on this Board regarding whether should Wittman should have played Otto more during the past two years. Why fight over it? And, FWIW, I watched Otto in Summer League his rookie year, and he was completely unprepared for the NBA. He was having real trouble with the speed of the game. I remember him being dominated by Kent Bazemore in one game. So, he was definitely not physically ready in year one to be much help to the Wiz, was injured for half a yaer, and was not as good as Ariza or Webster. I do agree, from Summer League on , in year 2, he was a different player entirely. But for me...I am having a blast watching him become a big time player, here in DC. The past is past.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 28, 2015 11:00:15 GMT -5
Maybe I'm weird, but I am really really enjoying Otto's performances in the playoffs and the corresponding positive media response. Not sure why there is so much focus on this Board regarding whether should Wittman should have played Otto more during the past two years. Why fight over it? And, FWIW, I watched Otto in Summer League his rookie year, and he was completely unprepared for the NBA. He was having real trouble with the speed of the game. I remember him being dominated by Kent Bazemore in one game. So, he was definitely not physically ready in year one to be much help to the Wiz, was injured for half a yaer, and was not as good as Ariza or Webster. I do agree, from Summer League on , in year 2, he was a different player entirely. But for me...I am having a blast watching him become a big time player, here in DC. The past is past. Because people are tired of hearing that Otto is a bust. People are frustrated that Otto could been a much more developed player had Wittman played him more, instead of burying him on the bench behind retreads like Butler and Webster. Because a seller summer leage performance by Otto last year lead to no meaningful changes by Wittman. Because Otto and Jeff are the only Hoyas currently playing.
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Post by guru on Apr 28, 2015 11:02:15 GMT -5
Maybe I'm weird, but I am really really enjoying Otto's performances in the playoffs and the corresponding positive media response. Not sure why there is so much focus on this Board regarding whether should Wittman should have played Otto more during the past two years. Why fight over it? And, FWIW, I watched Otto in Summer League his rookie year, and he was completely unprepared for the NBA. He was having real trouble with the speed of the game. I remember him being dominated by Kent Bazemore in one game. So, he was definitely not physically ready in year one to be much help to the Wiz, was injured for half a yaer, and was not as good as Ariza or Webster. I do agree, from Summer League on , in year 2, he was a different player entirely. But for me...I am having a blast watching him become a big time player, here in DC. The past is past. Because people are tired of hearing that Otto is a bust. People are frustrated that Otto could been a much more developed player had Wittman played him more, instead of burying him on the bench behind retreads like Butler and Webster. Because a seller summer leage performance by Otto last year lead to no meaningful changes by Wittman. Because Otto and Jeff are the only Hoyas currently playing. OT, but your posting rate at all hours and days is simply breathtaking. Breathtaking!
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 28, 2015 11:29:26 GMT -5
Wittman offense is susceptible to comebacks, they run 1/4 PnRs all day. When it's a stretch 4 that can hit a 3 with walls speed this offense would be unstoppable but having Nene, Humphries and Drew Gooden shooting long 2 ' s and in Gooden case some 3's teams will take that all day. He is stuck in this you have to have 2 bigs out there mentality. Thankfully Pierce convinced him to go with him at the 4. If they play Atlanta they are going to have to play small again. The 4's that the Wizards have can't recover quick enough on screen and pops and also weakside to cover shooters. That's why the Hawks and the Raptors had owned the Wizards in the regular season. Otto better be playing 35 mins a game in a Hawks series. Has Wittman seen the light? Or is Pierce really coaching the team?"During the regular season, the Wizards took 34.9 percent of their shots from mid-range. In the playoffs, that has dropped to 25.3 percent." www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2015/04/27/wizards-re-tooled-offense-has-them-playing-like-a-title-contender/Paul Pierce basically took over as Head Coach. Going to stretch 4, motivating Otto and Beal, getting inside DeRozan's head, that's all Paul Pierce's coaching. Randy "Gomer Pyle" Whitman is just the frontman now.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 28, 2015 11:48:11 GMT -5
Because people are tired of hearing that Otto is a bust. People are frustrated that Otto could been a much more developed player had Wittman played him more, instead of burying him on the bench behind retreads like Butler and Webster. Because a seller summer leage performance by Otto last year lead to no meaningful changes by Wittman. Because Otto and Jeff are the only Hoyas currently playing. OT, but your posting rate at all hours and days is simply breathtaking. Breathtaking! That's because I'm forced to be up all hours of the day. Plus, I took a couple of years off.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Apr 28, 2015 12:08:38 GMT -5
Paul Pierce basically took over as Head Coach. Going to stretch 4, motivating Otto and Beal, getting inside DeRozan's head, that's all Paul Pierce's coaching. Randy "Gomer Pyle" Whitman is just the frontman now. When I saw The Truth banging on the glass in the first period last night, I knew my Isles were doomed.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 28, 2015 13:38:25 GMT -5
It happens every year in the NBA playoffs: A new set of players emerge from obscurity to swing games, series and even titles. As predicted, Tristan Thompson cleaned up the offensive glass for the Cavs against the Celtics. Patty Mills has flames coming out of his ears for the Spurs against the Clippers. Josh Smith and Corey Brewer are wreaking havoc for the Rockets against the Mavericks. But arguably none of them has had the surprising and sizable impact of second-year Wizards small forward Otto Porter, who was a key component as Washington powered to a sweep of the Raptors. Foremost was the effectiveness of the Wizards’ small-ball lineups: www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2015/04/28/wizards-otto-porter-could-continue-to-shine-against-nets-but-hawks-present-a-tougher-challenge/
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 29, 2015 11:09:16 GMT -5
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