|
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2015 9:10:21 GMT -5
I am a classic overly critical judge Cambridge.
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
NBA Hoyas
Apr 15, 2015 9:29:11 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by rockhoya on Apr 15, 2015 9:29:11 GMT -5
Watched the whole game last night as I am a Pacers fan. It is the first time I have seen Wittman give him regular key minute run and Otto also didn't let a few misses bother him as he kept at it. They either need to force Wittman to give him regular minutes or move Wittman as I think Otto's confidence is now there (a few years too late but still). Did you read the article?
|
|
EasyEd
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 7,272
|
Post by EasyEd on Apr 15, 2015 9:35:27 GMT -5
If they want a Hoya who gets mad, draft Jabril.
|
|
|
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 15, 2015 9:42:36 GMT -5
Rock, I just did. What did I miss? Didn't really say anything about Otto other than he needs more fire.
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
NBA Hoyas
Apr 15, 2015 9:48:00 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by rockhoya on Apr 15, 2015 9:48:00 GMT -5
Rock, I just did. What did I miss? Didn't really say anything about Otto other than he needs more fire. This isn't really the first time he's gotten real minutes with confidence. Even in his limited minutes, they aren't seen mostly in garbage time but in lost rotations throughout the game. Yes, I agree Whittman needs to play him more (and get the boot), but I think he's realized that a bit over the past month or so. No longer are Martell or Butler really getting preference over him in rotations. Of course that's because Pierce is out, but Randy didn't have to play Otto.
|
|
|
Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 15, 2015 9:50:44 GMT -5
As the rest of the article makes clear, Pierce says essentially the same thing about everyone this side of Kevin Garnett. It's really a "young people today don't work hard and don't care" story. And maybe that's true, I don't know. But the point is that Pierce doesn't really distinguish Otto from anyone else (Wall and Beal included). The problem I have with the Wizards -- and Wittman -- is that none of this is new or unknown with Otto. You knew drafting him that he wasn't a demonstrative guy and he wasn't going to be overly aggressive on offense. And that his biggest strengths were a combination of subtle factors that don't always show on the stat sheet. So, none of this is a surprise. Sure, guys can change and develop and mold their game to suit their team. And Otto needs to continue to try to do that while he's on the Wiz. Some of that is Pierce's point. But it's incumbent on the organization -- at least if they want to put their team in the best position to win -- to try to adjust to guys' strengths and turn what might be a weakness into a strength. Pierce's Celtics frequently had guys that were calm and cool in key roles. Ray Allen is more assertive offensively than Otto, but his demeanor on the court is icy. So, if you play Otto alongside other guys that are fiery and are more of the ball-stopping sort, you get the best of all worlds. Until recently (and then only by necessity) they haven't done that.
|
|
|
NBA Hoyas
Apr 15, 2015 11:32:06 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by dungeon ball on Apr 15, 2015 11:32:06 GMT -5
Otto didn't look to timid when he took the ball straight into Hibbert's chest last night. Hopefully we'll see more of that
|
|
canissaxa
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 524
|
Post by canissaxa on Apr 15, 2015 12:16:12 GMT -5
Funny article from Pierce. Like the shooting from the hip and not in athlete-style truisms. Maybe not the smartest (there's a reason other athletes speak in cliches).
Re: otto's play last night and in general, I think it's a given that he should get more minutes, more consistent minutes, and more minutes with the starters (which he compliments more than Pierce, who could have a lot of value as the goto guy in the 2nd rotation and is a much better creator than Otto).
I'm actually fine with Otto's offense. He's unlikely to be a high utilization guy, but he's clearly worked on his 3pt stroke.
What surprisingly frustrates me about Otto in the minutes I've watched is his defense. Part of this is him getting put on the perimeter more than he should. His higher center of gravity makes it very tough for him to stay with some of the 1s and 2s that Wittman puts him on. I suppose the thinking is that a strong 3 or 4 would eat him up, but I just haven't seen that yet.
But he is absolutely miserable at fighting over picks, which is a bit surprising given his youth and fundamentals at GU.
And while I was giving him credit for shading off his man and quickly recovering when that approach made sense, he has just abandoned his man a few times and I'm not just talking about the gif vs Tony Snell that went viral. Last night, he completely lost his man in the 4th for a corner 3--like by 20 feet. he also failed to switch on a P&R with Wall (that one it's hard to tell whose fault it was without hearing the communication, but at first blush it looked a lot like Otto).
In any case, those defensive lapses make me worry a lot more about Otto's future in the league than the other side of the ball. The offense and minutes I can blame on Wittman. Not as sure about the defense.
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
NBA Hoyas
Apr 15, 2015 13:33:35 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by rockhoya on Apr 15, 2015 13:33:35 GMT -5
Funny article from Pierce. Like the shooting from the hip and not in athlete-style truisms. Maybe not the smartest (there's a reason other athletes speak in cliches). Re: otto's play last night and in general, I think it's a given that he should get more minutes, more consistent minutes, and more minutes with the starters (which he compliments more than Pierce, who could have a lot of value as the goto guy in the 2nd rotation and is a much better creator than Otto). I'm actually fine with Otto's offense. He's unlikely to be a high utilization guy, but he's clearly worked on his 3pt stroke. What surprisingly frustrates me about Otto in the minutes I've watched is his defense. Part of this is him getting put on the perimeter more than he should. His higher center of gravity makes it very tough for him to stay with some of the 1s and 2s that Wittman puts him on. I suppose the thinking is that a strong 3 or 4 would eat him up, but I just haven't seen that yet. But he is absolutely miserable at fighting over picks, which is a bit surprising given his youth and fundamentals at GU. And while I was giving him credit for shading off his man and quickly recovering when that approach made sense, he has just abandoned his man a few times and I'm not just talking about the gif vs Tony Snell that went viral. Last night, he completely lost his man in the 4th for a corner 3--like by 20 feet. he also failed to switch on a P&R with Wall (that one it's hard to tell whose fault it was without hearing the communication, but at first blush it looked a lot like Otto). In any case, those defensive lapses make me worry a lot more about Otto's future in the league than the other side of the ball. The offense and minutes I can blame on Wittman. Not as sure about the defense. Good thing defense is easier to fix than offense and Otto has all the tools but has yet to metabolise the coaching
|
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Apr 15, 2015 13:43:18 GMT -5
Funny article from Pierce. Like the shooting from the hip and not in athlete-style truisms. Maybe not the smartest (there's a reason other athletes speak in cliches). Re: otto's play last night and in general, I think it's a given that he should get more minutes, more consistent minutes, and more minutes with the starters (which he compliments more than Pierce, who could have a lot of value as the goto guy in the 2nd rotation and is a much better creator than Otto). I'm actually fine with Otto's offense. He's unlikely to be a high utilization guy, but he's clearly worked on his 3pt stroke. What surprisingly frustrates me about Otto in the minutes I've watched is his defense. Part of this is him getting put on the perimeter more than he should. His higher center of gravity makes it very tough for him to stay with some of the 1s and 2s that Wittman puts him on. I suppose the thinking is that a strong 3 or 4 would eat him up, but I just haven't seen that yet. But he is absolutely miserable at fighting over picks, which is a bit surprising given his youth and fundamentals at GU. And while I was giving him credit for shading off his man and quickly recovering when that approach made sense, he has just abandoned his man a few times and I'm not just talking about the gif vs Tony Snell that went viral. Last night, he completely lost his man in the 4th for a corner 3--like by 20 feet. he also failed to switch on a P&R with Wall (that one it's hard to tell whose fault it was without hearing the communication, but at first blush it looked a lot like Otto). In any case, those defensive lapses make me worry a lot more about Otto's future in the league than the other side of the ball. The offense and minutes I can blame on Wittman. Not as sure about the defense. Good thing defense is easier to fix than offense and Otto has all the tools but has yet to metabolise the coaching What coaching?
|
|
dreamhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,259
|
Post by dreamhoya on Apr 15, 2015 13:48:36 GMT -5
Otto didn't look to timid when he took the ball straight into Hibbert's chest last night. Hopefully we'll see more of that Lately, Otto has looked pretty darn good. in one game at moments, he was Worthy-esque.
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
NBA Hoyas
Apr 15, 2015 16:28:43 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by rockhoya on Apr 15, 2015 16:28:43 GMT -5
Good thing defense is easier to fix than offense and Otto has all the tools but has yet to metabolise the coaching What coaching? Whittman has a job because he knows how to coach up players on defense....
|
|
beenaround
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,474
|
Post by beenaround on Apr 15, 2015 17:18:05 GMT -5
Have watched a good number of Otto's games..some where he played one minute....many others where he played at least 20 minutes. He does not look for his shot enough....and I refer to times when he actually does get a pass and still defers and passes back. He also does not draw many fouls..not sure if it is because he is still too skinny to get in the lane. Pierce is the master at drawing fouls out of think air...wish Otto would follow suit with some good ball and head fakes.
On defense he has actually been more effective, from what I have seen, covering the two guards, strangely enough. He is taller and is able to keep enough distance to avoid the blow-by but also can get his arms up to affect the shot. He still has real trouble getting around the bigger and frequent NBA screens. Overall, he has been pretty good this year. Hope he takes the next step to being a legit NBA starter or sixth man.
|
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Apr 15, 2015 17:20:06 GMT -5
Whittman has a job because he knows how to coach up players on defense.... All evidence to the contrary.
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
NBA Hoyas
Apr 15, 2015 21:13:00 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by rockhoya on Apr 15, 2015 21:13:00 GMT -5
Whittman has a job because he knows how to coach up players on defense.... All evidence to the contrary. His top 5 defensive efficiency?
|
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Apr 15, 2015 23:45:37 GMT -5
All evidence to the contrary. His top 5 defensive efficiency? Have you watched them? They're not that good.
|
|
jorand
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 176
|
Post by jorand on Apr 16, 2015 8:12:44 GMT -5
His top 5 defensive efficiency? Have you watched them? They're not that good. Defensively they are that good...and have been for a few years now. Top 10 in scoring defense for the last 3 seasons. Top 10 in opponent's FG% for the last 3 seasons etc etc
|
|
rockhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,830
|
Post by rockhoya on Apr 16, 2015 8:33:20 GMT -5
His top 5 defensive efficiency? Have you watched them? They're not that good. I've probably watched way more games than you....
|
|
jorand
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 176
|
Post by jorand on Apr 17, 2015 12:15:03 GMT -5
basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237460/Pacers-To-Play-Smaller-Next-Season-With-Hibbert-Having-Diminished-RolePacers To Play Smaller Next Season With Hibbert Having Diminished RoleThe Indiana Pacers plan on playing faster on offense next season to contend with smaller and versatile lineups of opponents. Roy Hibbert is the player that will most likely be impacted by the change in scheme. "Possibly," said Vogel when asked if Hibbert will be benched. "Roy's role will be diminished."
Hibbert can opt out to become a free agent."Whatever he does, he does," said Larry Bird. "We'll assume he's going to come back."
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 12:40:03 GMT -5
"Whatever he does, he does?”
Ouch….
|
|