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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 10, 2011 14:48:14 GMT -5
Just got to see the first part of the first. Saw the 17-0 run, but felt we should have been up 25-0. We were playing good D and good passing, but were not finishing on some of the good assists. I left at 23-5 for a meeting, so I was spared the 2nd half.
Sick about Tyler. He has had his share of health issues so far early in the season. Good wishes for him, especially for his recovered health. Hope he comes back, but his health is the first priority right now.
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Post by wahoohoya on Dec 10, 2011 15:16:37 GMT -5
Win's a win. However, the people expecting this team is going to go 12-6 in the Big East have no perspective. Dude - you need to relax. You think this game provides perspective? It's just a prediction and you bring up Penn State... Whatever. Can't even get over the irony of your post. We shoot even a mediocre percentage as opposed to absolutely terrible and we win this by 30+. What I like about this team is still there - the ability to turn on the defensive pressure when they need it. Winning 11+ games in the Big East with our schedule is certainly achievable.
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Post by Highsmith on Dec 10, 2011 15:39:09 GMT -5
In some ways this game was a good win--never good to have an offensive performance like this one, but that was made up for in other parts of the game. The last few years, this could have been a 5 point or less win.....or even a loss. These guys held off on the 3's when they weren't fouling, drove to the basket and drew fouls when shots weren't fouling and kept the defensive pressure on, which eventually paid off. An ugly win for sure, and not the way we want the offense to perform, but still some good signs here.
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Post by mapei on Dec 10, 2011 15:39:50 GMT -5
Very surprised to see our FT% as high as it turned out to be (69%). At the game it felt like everyone was missing other than Jason.
With that many missed shots by both teams, we should not have been outrebounded.
Excellent defensive performance, horrid offense, lapses of concentration.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 10, 2011 15:44:17 GMT -5
The last few years, this could have been a 5 point or less win.....or even a loss. I know you are trying to be positive, but this comment gets made all the time. How many times have we lost to a pre-season creampuff team? Ever? I remember an OT win versus Norfolk State. We've lost twice to ODU, but Howard is nowhere in ODU's class. So when have we lost to a pre-season creampuff?
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 10, 2011 15:52:21 GMT -5
That was about as an abysmal offensive performance as I can remember, considering the opponent. Not going to say much about it except one thing that really bothered me about this game, and it wasn't just in this game: jacking up shots early in the shot clock during late game situations when up 3+ possessions. It nearly cost us in the Alabama game, and it was obvious they didn't learn their lesson in this one. When you're up 8-9 points with 2 minutes to go, don't jack up a shot with 28 seconds left on the shot clock or dribble to the rim and turn the ball over. It's just dumb basketball that shouldn't be tolerated. Run clock and force the other team to either play 30 seconds of defense or foul.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 10, 2011 16:07:39 GMT -5
True, Rock. It's about best shot selection. I'm all for taking the open, available shot, but when you're in the scenario you describe, the best shot selection comes around with 10 seconds or less.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 10, 2011 16:13:50 GMT -5
We didn't panic and make bad turnovers... Not the same game I watched... we had bad, lazy, out of sync to's.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 10, 2011 16:30:50 GMT -5
The last few years, this could have been a 5 point or less win.....or even a loss. I know you are trying to be positive, but this comment gets made all the time. How many times have we lost to a pre-season creampuff team? Ever? I remember an OT win versus Norfolk State. We've lost twice to ODU, but Howard is nowhere in ODU's class. So when have we lost to a pre-season creampuff? Never. In fact every team we've ever lost to out of conference has at least made the NIT. Least known team we lost to would be Oral Roberts in 3's first year. But they made the NIT so I wouldn't call them a cream puff.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 10, 2011 17:19:00 GMT -5
So when have we lost to a pre-season creampuff? Never. In fact every team we've ever lost to out of conference has at least made the NIT. Least known team we lost to would be Oral Roberts in 3's first year. But they made the NIT so I wouldn't call them a cream puff. [/quote] That's one heck of a good accomplishment. Out of curiosity, did you have to research that just now, or is that fact published somewhere?!?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 10, 2011 18:06:07 GMT -5
So when have we lost to a pre-season creampuff? Never. In fact every team we've ever lost to out of conference has at least made the NIT. Least known team we lost to would be Oral Roberts in 3's first year. But they made the NIT so I wouldn't call them a cream puff. That's one heck of a good accomplishment. Out of curiosity, did you have to research that just now, or is that fact published somewhere?!? [/quote] I researched it earlier this season discussing the alabama game. I pointed out that we always do very well out of conference and I wanted to see just how good. We've only lost 5 OOC games in the last 4 years and have never lost more than 3 in any year. That's pretty darn good. Especially considering how good our OOC schedule is. 2004-2005: Temple(NIT), Illinois(NCAA), Oral Roberts (NIT) 2005-2006: Vanderbilt(NIT), Illinois(NCAA) 2006-2007:ODU(NCAA),Oregon(NCAA), Duke(NCAA) 2007-2008: Memphis(NCAA) 2008-2009:Tennessee(NCAA), Duke(NCAA) 2009-2010: ODU(NCAA) 2010-2011: Temple(NCAA) not too shabby.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 10, 2011 18:23:01 GMT -5
Win's a win. However, the people expecting this team is going to go 12-6 in the Big East have no perspective. I think they just have a certain perspective about the quality of the Big East this year. Let's see: We play Providence twice. They certainly look beatable. We play St. John's twice. They are falling apart. DePaul is DePaul. Rutgers has lost at home to LSU and Princeton. We have eminently beatable USF at home. That's 7 winable games. Cincinnati has lost to Presbyterian and Marshall and has an SOS of 302 (aside from whatever fallout might happen from the Xavier fight). That's 8. Notre Dame is fading, including a loss to the pitiful Twerps and to Georgia. Even Cincinnati beat Georgia. The Irish's best win is RPI #137 Maine (MAINE!!!!!). That's 9. Villanova lost to Santa Clara and St. Louis and their best win is RPI #111 LaSalle. They get to come to DC for the "Winter Basketball Weekend," which will be the greyout and most promoted game, including to out-of-town alumni. A winable game? I think so. That's 10. Seton Hall does look much improved, but they've also been taken to OT at home by 2-6 St. Francis (NY). Could we lose to them? Absolutely. Could we win? Doesn't seem unreasonable or lacking in perspective to think we could. Finally, West Virginia. They have a nice win at Kansas State, but have lost to the two best teams they've played - RPI #70 Kent State (at home) and RPI #71 Mississippi State (on the road). The game is in Morgantown. It will be difficult and hostile, to be sure, but as JTIII noted, Beijing was hostile. So was Tuscaloosa, for that matter. It requires a pretty optimistic perspective to think we can win all these games, but not the absence of one. We won't win too many shooting 7.7% from three-point range, though.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 10, 2011 18:37:01 GMT -5
We didn't panic and make bad turnovers... Not the same game I watched... we had bad, lazy, out of sync to's. I think we had like 12 turnovers and 3-4 were at the end of the game when we were running up and down the floor for some reason. They had like 25 turnovers. We clamped down on defense. We just missed a ton of open shots, and FTs. What's wrong with being up on a team by 17, and winning by 14? I know some of the comments were made while the game was close, but it's a 40 minute game, and you look at the results.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 10, 2011 18:52:44 GMT -5
From Hoya Prospectus: "And this was a game where the Hoyas their last 11 attempts from behind the arc - many wide open - as well as several bunnies near the rim. The shots were simply not going to drop in the Verspers half, no matter how easy the look.
But I just couldn't get that excited - it felt like the Hoyas had another gear on defense that they could reach for if they had to (and they did). After the under-8:00 timeout in the second half, the Bison made a jumpshot to close the score to 42-40, then grabbed Jason Clark's missed jumper to go back on offense with a chance to tie or even take the lead.
Over the next 14 possessions, Georgetown outscored Howard 18-2 while forcing 10 turnovers. That stretch included 18 free throw attempts by the Hoyas, as they finally took advantage of their size and athleticism to overwhelm the Bison."
This was how I felt about the team as well.
Also of note: "They've got to figure some things out on their own. We can call a timeout, but I wanted to see who was going to step up, who was going to talk, who was going to try to make adjustments on their own," Thompson said.
"I mean, yes, we can go debate the nuances of whether that's a good coaching move or not. But this group needs to figure out at certain points of the game, 'OK, we need to handle this. We need to talk about this. We need to grow up.' Because they know ... what we should do," Thompson said.
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Post by wahoohoya on Dec 10, 2011 18:58:50 GMT -5
Win's a win. However, the people expecting this team is going to go 12-6 in the Big East have no perspective. I think they just have a certain perspective about the quality of the Big East this year. Let's see: We play Providence twice. They certainly look beatable. We play St. John's twice. They are falling apart. DePaul is DePaul. Rutgers has lost at home to LSU and Princeton. We have eminently beatable USF at home. That's 7 winable games. Cincinnati has lost to Presbyterian and Marshall and has an SOS of 302 (aside from whatever fallout might happen from the Xavier fight). That's 8. Notre Dame is fading, including a loss to the pitiful Twerps and to Georgia. Even Cincinnati beat Georgia. The Irish's best win is RPI #137 Maine (MAINE!!!!!). That's 9. Villanova lost to Santa Clara and St. Louis and their best win is RPI #111 LaSalle. They get to come to DC for the "Winter Basketball Weekend," which will be the greyout and most promoted game, including to out-of-town alumni. A winable game? I think so. That's 10. Seton Hall does look much improved, but they've also been taken to OT at home by 2-6 St. Francis (NY). Could we lose to them? Absolutely. Could we win? Doesn't seem unreasonable or lacking in perspective to think we could. Finally, West Virginia. They have a nice win at Kansas State, but have lost to the two best teams they've played - RPI #70 Kent State (at home) and RPI #71 Mississippi State (on the road). The game is in Morgantown. It will be difficult and hostile, to be sure, but as JTIII noted, Beijing was hostile. So was Tuscaloosa, for that matter. It requires a pretty optimistic perspective to think we can win all these games, but not the absence of one. We won't win too many shooting 7.7% from three-point range, though. Thank you. Nothing wrong with being optimistic about what this team can accomplish given the relative weakness of the conference schedule this year - it's tiresome to keep hearing that any sense of optimism lacks perspective. They likely won't win all those games, but they will likely win a couple that aren't on that list. No one said this was a top 10 team that wouldn't have a few bad nights.
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Post by mapei on Dec 10, 2011 21:58:31 GMT -5
This is about the Howard game?
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 10, 2011 22:38:48 GMT -5
eh. win's a win.
good things from jason, jabril, and otto. good boards from henry, nate, and hollis, couple nice big man moves from henry (his shot still looks silky even when it doesn't go in). nate not taking care of the ball and not getting putbacks flabbergasts me. GET THAT MAN A STEAK! he looks anemic. and please, work on his FT shot mechanics. hollis missing FTs? weird. [on edit: he was 8-11 from FT, so i take that back]. nice hustle from nate, as always. otto's gonna be something special in the not-too-distant-future.
1-13 from 3 today right? egads.
best part of the game? markel's fast break no-look pass back to otto for his second great dunk of the day.
onto american ...
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 10, 2011 23:03:19 GMT -5
Typical Finals Week Performance with the bonus of adding it to the W column. Next.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 10, 2011 23:24:59 GMT -5
After reading the box score, this game was actually pretty bad.
FG% Gtwn: 32.7 Hwrd: 32.6
3FG%: Gtwn: 7.7 Hwrd: 36.4
FT%: Gtwn: 69 Hwrd: 63.6
The main difference? We shot 42 FT and they shot 22. Woof.
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Post by guru on Dec 11, 2011 1:15:14 GMT -5
last time Hoyas had this type of offensive outing in the III era? @ BC in his first year? The Cincy home game last year was the worst and was terrible even before Wright got hurt. That Cincy game was the worst display of basketball ever. In history. Absolutely excruciating to watch
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