Really glad...

[hoyaboya]

...we didn't end up with Nick Faust. He looked absolutely terrible tonight for Maryland. Selfish player, took horrendous shots, weak physically and lost on defense. I know we were in the hunt and some people were upset when he picked Maryland. He's the kind of player who would have been a terrible fit with the team-first class JT III brought in. Turgeon's sideline demeanor said it all when it came to Faust, you can tell Turgeon can't stand him.

[alleninxis]

Or the Josh Hairston/Tyler Thornton package.

what type of team would we be if those were our starting PG's and PF's in place of Markel and Nate? Yikes, rather not think about it. Even with Nate's slow start.

[chep3]

I agree he looked awful today, but he's got size and good ball skills. He's going to be a good player, and as much as it pains me, Maryland will have a very good backcourt if they're ever able to play under control.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

..That Duke is getting blown out!

[blueandgray]

I like Hairston....good defensive ball player and seem like a good team player. Ryan Kelly is another guy who has come a long way. I know this board bashed him...but the kid has some skills and is a smart ball player. I'd take either guy.

[EtomicB]

Nov 29, 2011 22:57:51 GMT -5 alleninxis said:

Or the Josh Hairston/Tyler Thornton package.

what type of team would we be if those were our starting PG's and PF's in place of Markel and Nate? Yikes, rather not think about it. Even with Nate's slow start.

What has happened to Hairston? Was he that overrated?

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Holy Crap Ohio state might win this by 30. what's the biggest margin of victory in a game between two teams ranked in the top 5?

[mfk24]

Duke is really getting the business right now! Coach K has whined enough to get a few foul calls to put them on the line. That's the only reason the game is honestly as close as it is.

[Boz]

There really is nothing quite so delicious as watching Duke get their asses handed to them.

Unless it's watching SUcks or U-Con getting their asses handed to them (preferably at our hands).

[hoyaboya]

Nov 29, 2011 22:59:50 GMT -5 chep3 said:

I agree he looked awful today, but he's got size and good ball skills. He's going to be a good player, and as much as it pains me, Maryland will have a very good backcourt if they're ever able to play under control.

I don't know, he does not look like he deserved his high ranking from last year (RSCI #43). So far, on a terrible Maryland team (they're not going to win 4 ACC games), Faust is averaging 30 minutes per game. In those 30 minutes, he's averaging 6.5 points, 4 rebounds and 2 assists. That doesn't sound terrible (although in 30 mpg, it's pretty bad).

But a look inside the numbers tells more. Faust is shooting 24.5% from the field overall. He's shooting 13.6% from 3 point land (3 for 22, averaging almost 4 three pointers a game even though he's a terrible outside shooter). Faust is shooting 50% from the line. And he's got more turnovers (17) than assists (15).

Right now, he's killing that team when he's on the floor. I would much rather have Whittington and Trawick, both guys that weren't RSCI top 100 recruits, over Faust.

[idhoya]

They are what they are....ACC type players...Cook, Britt too!

[sleepy]

Nov 29, 2011 23:09:29 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

I like Hairston....good defensive ball player and seem like a good team player. Ryan Kelly is another guy who has come a long way. I know this board bashed him...but the kid has some skills and is a smart ball player. I'd take either guy.

To take Kelly, wouldn't it be at the expense of Hollis though? I can't really remember the specifics but weren't they being recruited at the same time? I'm not sure I'd take that trade. Or take Kelly over any of our other wings at the moment either. Hairston would be nice, but I believe he was a package deal with Thornton who, I wouldn't now and wouldn't have back then, taken over Markel.

[chep3]

Nov 29, 2011 23:26:44 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

I don't know, he does not look like he deserved his high ranking from last year (RSCI #43). So far, on a terrible Maryland team (they're not going to win 4 ACC games), Faust is averaging 30 minutes per game. In those 30 minutes, he's averaging 6.5 points, 4 rebounds and 2 assists. That doesn't sound terrible (although in 30 mpg, it's pretty bad).

But a look inside the numbers tells more. Faust is shooting 24.5% from the field overall. He's shooting 13.6% from 3 point land (3 for 22, averaging almost 4 three pointers a game even though he's a terrible outside shooter). Faust is shooting 50% from the line. And he's got more turnovers (17) than assists (15).

Right now, he's killing that team when he's on the floor. I would much rather have Whittington and Trawick, both guys that weren't RSCI top 100 recruits, over Faust.

I should've specified. I think MD will have a good backcourt in a year or two. I agree Faust looks awful, and his problem is he doesn't know how awful he is. He can't shoot yet but can create for himself and is athletic. We have a freshman like that at the 2, except he plays completely within himself and gives us a ton on the other end.

I just think that Faust will put it together starting next year and going forward. He has the raw materials. Or maybe I'm wrong and he never learns to play to his strengths and keeps jacking bad shots. Turgeon certainly hasn't taught Terrell Stoglin shot selection.

[tashoya]

Kelly is a stiff. As is anyone with the surname Plumlee. Kelly has improved. Especially over this past offseason. But to hear the slurping for very little reason is galling. Duke looked like they were gonna get smoked from the tip.

[hoyaboya]

Nov 29, 2011 23:36:28 GMT -5 chep3 said:

Nov 29, 2011 23:26:44 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

I don't know, he does not look like he deserved his high ranking from last year (RSCI #43). So far, on a terrible Maryland team (they're not going to win 4 ACC games), Faust is averaging 30 minutes per game. In those 30 minutes, he's averaging 6.5 points, 4 rebounds and 2 assists. That doesn't sound terrible (although in 30 mpg, it's pretty bad).

But a look inside the numbers tells more. Faust is shooting 24.5% from the field overall. He's shooting 13.6% from 3 point land (3 for 22, averaging almost 4 three pointers a game even though he's a terrible outside shooter). Faust is shooting 50% from the line. And he's got more turnovers (17) than assists (15).

Right now, he's killing that team when he's on the floor. I would much rather have Whittington and Trawick, both guys that weren't RSCI top 100 recruits, over Faust.

I should've specified. I think MD will have a good backcourt in a year or two. I agree Faust looks awful, and his problem is he doesn't know how awful he is. He can't shoot yet but can create for himself and is athletic. We have a freshman like that at the 2, except he plays completely within himself and gives us a ton on the other end.

I just think that Faust will put it together starting next year and going forward. He has the raw materials. Or maybe I'm wrong and he never learns to play to his strengths and keeps jacking bad shots. Turgeon certainly hasn't taught Terrell Stoglin shot selection.

Fair enough, and Faust obviously has a lot of time to get better. He certainly has the body type and athleticism to do it. However, he was much, much worse watching him tonight than I expected. He literally hurt his team when he was on the floor. And he looks like a guy who's been told he's terrific, believes it, and has no clue that he's not a good player.

Suffice it to say, I'm much happier that we ended up with Trawick and Whittington, two guys that didn't excite the recruiting gurus enough to make the RSCI top 100.

[prhoya]

Nov 29, 2011 23:37:43 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Kelly is a stiff. As is anyone with the surname Plumlee. Kelly has improved. Especially over this past offseason. But to hear the slurping for very little reason is galling. Duke looked like they were gonna get smoked from the tip.

I'm amazed at all the flopping that Kelly does. Then, I remember Lance Thomas...
OSU had their own secret weapon against the Duke flopping: OSU Video Coordinator Greg Paulus! ;D

[deacon]

Nov 29, 2011 23:13:56 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Nov 29, 2011 22:57:51 GMT -5 alleninxis said:

Or the Josh Hairston/Tyler Thornton package.

what type of team would we be if those were our starting PG's and PF's in place of Markel and Nate? Yikes, rather not think about it. Even with Nate's slow start.

What has happened to Hairston? Was he that overrated?

Hairston was overrated and he's a role player on Duke, which he should be. He's also put on some bad weight which hasn't helped.

Nick Faust will be fine at Maryland.

The things people are saying about Tyler Thornton and Quinn Cook are the same things people said about Nolan Smith. At this point in his sophomore season, you couldn't find one person who would take Smith over Chris Wright. However, Coach K has a habit of deconstructing his player's games and making them better for it, and he's won over 900 games doing it that way. Not saying either will be pros, but he'll coach them up and make them better. They're where they should be.

[MCIGuy]

Nov 29, 2011 23:30:07 GMT -5 sleepy said:

Nov 29, 2011 23:09:29 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

I like Hairston....good defensive ball player and seem like a good team player. Ryan Kelly is another guy who has come a long way. I know this board bashed him...but the kid has some skills and is a smart ball player. I'd take either guy.

To take Kelly, wouldn't it be at the expense of Hollis though? I can't really remember the specifics but weren't they being recruited at the same time?

Not really. Hollis committed very early. By the time Kelly was taking a visit to GU Hollis was one of the guys giving him the campus tour in between the times they were trying out for that junior USA basketball team.

[sleepy]

Nov 30, 2011 2:21:58 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Nov 29, 2011 23:30:07 GMT -5 sleepy said:

To take Kelly, wouldn't it be at the expense of Hollis though? I can't really remember the specifics but weren't they being recruited at the same time?

Not really. Hollis committed very early. By the time Kelly was taking a visit to GU Hollis was one of the guys giving him the campus tour in between the times they were trying out for that junior USA basketball team.

Ah, thanks MCI, like I said I couldn't really remember, but I'd thought I'd take a guess anyway.

[seaweed]

Nov 29, 2011 23:21:19 GMT -5 Boz said:

... watching SUcks ... getting their asses handed to them

Too soon...?