lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 13, 2012 20:46:01 GMT -5
no excuses no more talk JUST FILL THE BOOTH come on you all FILL THE BOOTH just two games left wont kill you THESE ARE YOUR CLASSMATES. YUP.. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by rchoya06 on Feb 13, 2012 21:22:19 GMT -5
DanMcQ I'd say that it is fair to be critical of that article, but it's just one article. (I do think there was an editorial last year or two years ago that could be added to the list, but it's usually best to disregard the editorial board when they venture into sports). I do think that at times this board confuses The Hoya with Hoya Blue. When the team struggles (tanks in 2009, loses to Rutgers, South Florida and Ohio in 2010, and bows out in the first round in 2011) it will be criticized in the same way it is praised when it succeeds (2006, 2007 and 2008 seasons, 2010 Big East). Also, I think you are all giving The Hoya a little too much credit as far as the sway it has over the student body. I doubt people chose to go or not go to games based off of The Hoya's coverage. blueandgray keep up the good work, you are all class
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 13, 2012 21:59:25 GMT -5
DanMcQ I'd say that it is fair to be critical of that article, but it's just one article. (I do think there was an editorial last year or two years ago that could be added to the list, but it's usually best to disregard the editorial board when they venture into sports). There's more, I don't have the time or desire to dig them all out. I think that's a stretch - the majority of people here know exactly which is which. Personally, I did not allege that The Hoya was the only factor or even a major factor in poor student attendance. But the bandwagon student fan will read articles like that and say "why bother since the coach stinks and they aren't any good anyway". OpEds like that certainly don't help and when the editors publish opinions that are based on "facts" not even close to the truth it reflects badly on the paper, volunteer or not.
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hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Feb 13, 2012 22:16:04 GMT -5
DanMcQ I'd say that it is fair to be critical of that article, but it's just one article. (I do think there was an editorial last year or two years ago that could be added to the list, but it's usually best to disregard the editorial board when they venture into sports). There's more, I don't have the time or desire to dig them all out. I think that's a stretch - the majority of people here know exactly which is which. Personally, I did not allege that The Hoya was the only factor or even a major factor in poor student attendance. But the bandwagon student fan will read articles like that and say "why bother since the coach stinks and they aren't any good anyway". OpEds like that certainly don't help and when the editors publish opinions that are based on "facts" not even close to the truth it reflects badly on the paper, volunteer or not. I think in general the Hoya probably does more fawning than you think; those articles just don't make it onto this board's radar, at least they haven't the past couple years. Having seen at least four years' worth of The Hoya's readership stats, there is essentially zero chance that the "bandwagon student fan" read someone named Matt Emch (sorry if you are a poster here on the board) in a column called Riding the Pine that was published only a handful of times. Fact of the matter is that those pieces don't get read much at all...and most of the traffic that does go to those articles comes from THIS web site. I'd be willing to bet the bandwagon fan is far more likely to read these pages than those of The Hoya, for better or for worse. And yes, poorly researched op-eds DO reflect poorly on The Hoya -- few probably cringe as much as I do -- but I highly, highly doubt they affect fan turnout.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Feb 14, 2012 4:50:56 GMT -5
We're in agreeance. I ideated about first running water through the pipes to make sure we had the proper bandwidth to build a compelling enough story to gain alignment with all the stakeholders on the use of cattle prods, but you've really taken ownership and driven us to a decision point while cutting through the red tape. Can we take a cattle prod to people who use "meh" in every other post? Meh. ;D
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 14, 2012 10:45:35 GMT -5
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 14, 2012 11:04:10 GMT -5
agree with casual JUST FILL THE BOOTH no excuses nope
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 14, 2012 12:06:40 GMT -5
There are two separate discussions here:
1) Whether or not the students are spoiled, lazy, and have no real character
2) What Hoya Blue/University can do to get more students out regardless of whether or not the students should be getting out there just for a winning team.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 14, 2012 14:02:33 GMT -5
There are two separate discussions here: 1) Whether or not the students are spoiled, lazy, and have no real character 2) What Hoya Blue/University can do to get more students out regardless of whether or not the students should be getting out there just for a winning team. Yes. Yes.
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 14, 2012 14:10:10 GMT -5
I don't think its fair to call the students spoiled, lazy, lacking character, or any other adjective just because they don't want to go out and watch a basketball game. Maybe the average student doesn't like basketball, they're going to Georgetown for some other reason and could care less about a top level basketball program. If I went to a school with a great soccer program or volleyball team, but didn't care about soccer or volleyball, there wouldn't be a whole lot that could get me to the games.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Feb 14, 2012 14:16:50 GMT -5
...sigh...
...peer pressure ain't what it used to be.
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Post by TC on Feb 14, 2012 16:24:11 GMT -5
I don't think its fair to call the students spoiled, lazy, lacking character, or any other adjective just because they don't want to go out and watch a basketball game. Maybe the average student doesn't like basketball, they're going to Georgetown for some other reason and could care less about a top level basketball program. You could have fooled me with all the insane high-horse posts and The Hoya editorials last year talking about Georgetown's history and holding people accountable and other various finger pointing nonsense that we had to read after last year's first round exit. If they don't care, fine. Don't come out of the woodwork and pretend to be disappointed then.
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Post by tgo on Feb 14, 2012 17:06:30 GMT -5
Maybe the average student doesn't like basketball, they're going to Georgetown for some other reason and could care less about a top level basketball program. everyone doesnt have to like hoops and/or be interested in going to a game but we should have a student body where the average student - who doesnt know this board exists- does like basketball or at least going to games as an event that is integral to their college experience. Obviously that is my opinion and one that i would like the university to share. Since we say we are a school that cares about producing well rounded people who are not just "egg heads," then hoops attentendence should be one of the metrics by which you measure our success in recruiting students and fostering a culture that achieves this goal. i think the ultimate point by most here is not that people have to go to games but that if people arent going to games and dont care then we are doing something wrong and for the betterment not just of the team but of the entire university, we need to figure out how to fix it. seems like many people are saying it is just "the kids these days" in which case it is a lot harder problem to tackle and needs to start with admissions as is not as simple as asking someone if they like hoops on their application but making sure that while admissions get tougher that we renew our dedication to letting in those who have the greatest potential to be that well rounded person we would all like to think we are and that the university wants to produce
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 14, 2012 21:34:56 GMT -5
I don't think its fair to call the students spoiled, lazy, lacking character, or any other adjective just because they don't want to go out and watch a basketball game. Maybe the average student doesn't like basketball, they're going to Georgetown for some other reason and could care less about a top level basketball program. You could have fooled me with all the insane high-horse posts and The Hoya editorials last year talking about Georgetown's history and holding people accountable and other various finger pointing nonsense that we had to read after last year's first round exit. If they don't care, fine. Don't come out of the woodwork and pretend to be disappointed then. Hey, I don't disagree with you, but for one, I don't think you can use The Hoya as the "voice of the students" because as a recent graduate (NHS '10) and young alum, I can tell you for a fact that there is a large population of students that dislikes anything to do with the student newspaper. Even Duke for all the press they're basketball program gets is having trouble getting students in the seats for games aside for their big time rivalries.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 14, 2012 22:39:21 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 15, 2012 1:44:17 GMT -5
There is a thread on ideas for student cheers over on Casual...if you have any good cheers (or heckles) for Nova, put it on there before Wednesday so that they can get it on the cheer sheet!! www.casualhoya.com/2012/2/14/2797750/you-ask-you-shall-receive-cheer-sheet-edition#add-commentAlso, anyone participating (or students on here) over there should suggest movements synchronized to cheers. That way students in the back of the student section aren't basing their cheer timing on sound, rather the sight of HB moving up in the front. Part of the reason why the whole student participates so easily in the simple act of jumping and yelling on D.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 15, 2012 9:03:27 GMT -5
to synchronize cheers you must have enough students to synchronize WRIGHT.? fill the booth THEN cheer . please
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Post by Boz on Feb 15, 2012 14:19:42 GMT -5
A quick word to those students who are "too busy studying and worried about their futures*" to attend basketball games:
I hate to break it to you, but unless you are planning to go right into grad school, all save a very lucky few of you are going to start out with Edited jobs no matter how hard you work and how much time you spend worrying about it in college. And if you do go into grad school, you still probably start with a pretty Edited job right after that.
So you might as well try to have some fun while you can.
(*I don't actually buy this argument, not for a second, but it may be true of a small few).
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 15, 2012 14:50:17 GMT -5
A quick word to those students who are "too busy studying and worried about their futures*" to attend basketball games: I hate to break it to you, but unless you are planning to go right into grad school, all save a very lucky few of you are going to start out with Edited jobs no matter how hard you work and how much time you spend worrying about it in college. And if you do go into grad school, you still probably start with a pretty Edited job right after that. So you might as well try to have some fun while you can. (*I don't actually buy this argument, not for a second, but it may be true of a small few). THIS. I just made a similar point on Casual. You only get four years...savor every second. I met the majority of my good GU friends through basketball. You might too. Take those road trips, camp out for games, because you may not get to after you graduate. For a couple of hours a week, take life a little less seriously. You might even have a good time.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 15, 2012 14:59:03 GMT -5
I agree that you make a lot of HOYA friends at games and you don't meet downers llike kc and that GA bunch who never come to games, just complain.
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