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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 13, 2012 14:23:44 GMT -5
Plenty of annoying business school grads use incentivize, but merely using incent would be easier and more clear.
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Post by Boz on Feb 13, 2012 14:38:46 GMT -5
Plenty of annoying business school grads use incentivize, but merely using incent would be easier and more clear. Which word you use depends a lot on context. In the context of this discussion, I would actually discard both "incentivize" AND "incent" in favor of the much more appropriate phrase "take a cattle prod to."
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 13, 2012 14:50:39 GMT -5
Plenty of annoying business school grads use incentivize, but merely using incent would be easier and more clear. Which word you use depends a lot on context. In the context of this discussion, I would actually discard both "incentivize" AND "incent" in favor of the much more appropriate phrase "take a cattle prod to." We're in agreeance. I ideated about first running water through the pipes to make sure we had the proper bandwidth to build a compelling enough story to gain alignment with all the stakeholders on the use of cattle prods, but you've really taken ownership and driven us to a decision point while cutting through the red tape.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 13, 2012 15:02:14 GMT -5
My point is not about whether or not we SHOULD get excited about them. It's about whether we do. And we don't. Not as a school, not as as society. Just look at the damn attendance numbers. Hell, look at the WNBA. Nobody cares. Except that at the private schools ranked in the top 20, people do care. Baylor: WBB averages 8,393 a game Notre Dame: 8,806 Stanford: 4,358 Duke: 5,832 Miami: 1,436 Georgetown: 980Gonzaga: 5,292 Baylor - national champs, perennial FF team ND - national champs, perennial FF team Stanford - national champs, perennial FF team Duke - national champs, perennial FF team Miami - same as GU Gonzaga - what else is there to do in Spokane?
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Post by kchoya on Feb 13, 2012 15:04:18 GMT -5
Which word you use depends a lot on context. In the context of this discussion, I would actually discard both "incentivize" AND "incent" in favor of the much more appropriate phrase "take a cattle prod to." We're in agreeance. I ideated about first running water through the pipes to make sure we had the proper bandwidth to build a compelling enough story to gain alignment with all the stakeholders on the use of cattle prods, but you've really taken ownership and driven us to a decision point while cutting through the red tape. Can we take a cattle prod to people who use "meh" in every other post?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 13, 2012 15:24:38 GMT -5
KC, as long as it also applies to 'smh.' We're not texting, and that expression is ridiculous anyway -- when was the last time you literally shook your head in that manner?
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 13, 2012 15:28:37 GMT -5
Except that at the private schools ranked in the top 20, people do care. Baylor: WBB averages 8,393 a game Notre Dame: 8,806 Stanford: 4,358 Duke: 5,832 Miami: 1,436 Georgetown: 980Gonzaga: 5,292 Well they clearly don't care at Georgetown, for whatever reason. And for the few women's games I've been to, 980 is way too high. I'm sure that number is up from past years b/c of the recent success we've had, but even then you never hear anyone talking about the team when walking around campus. It just doesn't happen. Occasionally you hear something in the context of "oh we're playing UConn" because people know/think they're awesome, but that's about it. I'm not trying to make any value judgments here, just the sense I get on campus. Which is why saying they shouldn't be highlighted at MM is a problem. And yet another reason why some of us feel Hoya Blue has fallen short. I hate to belabor the point but many of us 05-08ers regularly went to womens games. It's not exactly hard to do. The excuses existing for games at Verizon are not in play here. I understand that the attendance issues at men's basketball may be our most glaring problem but it's also an across the board athletics issue the past few years.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 13, 2012 16:52:10 GMT -5
My point is not about whether or not we SHOULD get excited about them. It's about whether we do. And we don't. Not as a school, not as as society. Just look at the damn attendance numbers. Hell, look at the WNBA. Nobody cares. Except that at the private schools ranked in the top 20, people do care. Baylor: WBB averages 8,393 a game Notre Dame: 8,806 Stanford: 4,358 Duke: 5,832 Miami: 1,436 Georgetown: 980Gonzaga: 5,292 DFW, I think there's a major difference, at least with the top 4 schools on your list. All of those teams are ELITE programs (i.e. recent #1 ranking or final four). I'm not saying we'd get there if we made it to a final four, in fact we'd probably draw a little more than Miami is currently managing (while they're ranked 6th in the country), but there is a major difference in caring about the sport in general and caring about winning a championship.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 13, 2012 17:41:45 GMT -5
Well they clearly don't care at Georgetown, for whatever reason. And for the few women's games I've been to, 980 is way too high. I'm sure that number is up from past years b/c of the recent success we've had, but even then you never hear anyone talking about the team when walking around campus. It just doesn't happen. Occasionally you hear something in the context of "oh we're playing UConn" because people know/think they're awesome, but that's about it. I'm not trying to make any value judgments here, just the sense I get on campus. Which is why saying they shouldn't be highlighted at MM is a problem. And yet another reason why some of us feel Hoya Blue has fallen short. I hate to belabor the point but many of us 05-08ers regularly went to womens games. It's not exactly hard to do. The excuses existing for games at Verizon are not in play here. I understand that the attendance issues at men's basketball may be our most glaring problem but it's also an across the board athletics issue the past few years. Does it still cost money for students to go to women's games? And if so, is Hoya Blue still running the "We'll pay you a dollar to come to the Women's Game" Promo? That one worked pretty well, I thought
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 13, 2012 17:57:38 GMT -5
My point is not about whether or not we SHOULD get excited about them. It's about whether we do. And we don't. Not as a school, not as as society. Just look at the damn attendance numbers. Hell, look at the WNBA. Nobody cares. Except that at the private schools ranked in the top 20, people do care. Baylor: WBB averages 8,393 a game Notre Dame: 8,806 Stanford: 4,358 Duke: 5,832 Miami: 1,436 Georgetown: 980Gonzaga: 5,292 I am pretty sure that a lot of people who attend Baylor women's games go to see Brittany Griner dunk on some poor unsuspecting soul. I hate to state the obvious here, but could it be that this crop of students just isn't all that interested in college basketball?? And going down to the Verizon Center doesn't bring about that much of a social atmosphere so you're less likely to get your casual fan in the door. Obviously students are there for other reasons, basketball is just low on the list.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 13, 2012 18:05:10 GMT -5
Which is why saying they shouldn't be highlighted at MM is a problem. And yet another reason why some of us feel Hoya Blue has fallen short. I hate to belabor the point but many of us 05-08ers regularly went to womens games. It's not exactly hard to do. The excuses existing for games at Verizon are not in play here. I understand that the attendance issues at men's basketball may be our most glaring problem but it's also an across the board athletics issue the past few years. Does it still cost money for students to go to women's games? And if so, is Hoya Blue still running the "We'll pay you a dollar to come to the Women's Game" Promo? That one worked pretty well, I thought I'm pretty sure starting my senior year they included the women's tickets in the Men's season ticket package which is why they now cost $125.
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Post by mdhoya97 on Feb 13, 2012 18:13:43 GMT -5
From what I understand( and I still have several friends on the board) they really are trying their best and doing all the things we did when I was in Hoya Blue: flyering, game watches, chalking, etc. I'm not really sure what they can do as an organization that they're not already doing. Now I think there are things the AD can do such as instituting a lottery system or tracking individual attendance and providing rewards including access to the best games of the season and the BE, NCAAs etc. Something like targeting the 6 worst games on the the schedule and saying you have to make 3/6 of these or 4/6 of these to be eligible for tickets to the Syracuse game or you have to attend 80% of home games to get BET tickets etc. It just seems like the latest student body doesn't place as high a priority on baksetball as past student bodies has. I'm sure part of that is due to lack of recent success. Does anyone know the amount of student tickets that were sold were those numbers way down? Maybe it's not that people with tickets aren't showing up, maybe a lot less actually bought tickets period. Lack of recent success? We've been in the top 10 at one point in the season for what like 5 years straight. Yes we have disappointed in the post season but come on. We are a perennial top 15 team who makes the tourney every year. It's an absolute joke. Bottom line there are zero excuses. There should be no need to motivate students to go to these games. These students don't deserve this program I soo agree, i was a student during the tail end of JT2 and esh.. years, for both undergrad and grad school. I made games. This team has been in the top 25, all but a few weeks the entire last five years. What is up with these students... laaazzzy... -M
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 13, 2012 18:14:51 GMT -5
Does it still cost money for students to go to women's games? And if so, is Hoya Blue still running the "We'll pay you a dollar to come to the Women's Game" Promo? That one worked pretty well, I thought I'm pretty sure starting my senior year they included the women's tickets in the Men's season ticket package which is why they now cost $125. If that's true, it's really stupid that they charge students to go to women's games and it's also stupid that they decided to increase the cost of season tickets for men in order to pay for students to go to women's games.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 13, 2012 18:17:51 GMT -5
(For example, I know of about 200 pre-med students who have an Orgo exam tonight and didn't even consider going to the game). Wow. In my day as a pre-med (laugh all you want), that thought process would never have occurred to me. Maybe students have been reading HoyaTalk and the Hoya and figured why waste an afternoon watching underachieving players play for an underachieving coach when the team wins only because all the other teams in the Big East are so bad. I'll second the impact The Hoya may have had - the general tenor of the majority of the opinion pieces written about the coach and the team have been exactly as stated by bmartin. Never mind that most of them were barely researched at all, if you're a student on the fence about going to a game those articles will certainly dissuade you from attending. Finally, even though the home schedule was not as attractive this year as in the past, I actually managed to make it to more games than I usually do. It's really sad the students in general can't seem to do that. For all the difficulties in getting to the Phone Booth, it's light years easier than Landover, as DFW stated, and certainly easier than the lengths us out-of-towners go to.
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Post by rchoya06 on Feb 13, 2012 18:33:01 GMT -5
I haven't read too much of The Hoya this year, but which "barely researched" articles are you referring to, Dan? I'm glad we will defend the athletes on a full-ride, but make blanket statements about the coverage by a volunteer, student organization.
Also, how is it hard to figure out why nobody went to the game?
1. It's 1 pm on a Sunday. Even for people who have fun the weekend is coming to a close 2. I don't think its that absurd for the average student to worry about their work, job etc. over going to root on a group of people that they probably don't interact with ever. 3. This isn't St. John's from 1985 or even last year. They don't exactly get the casual fan excited to spend a Sunday at the Verizon Center drinking $8 beers
I like Georgetown Basketball, but its not why I went there nor is it what I think defines the school
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 13, 2012 18:55:17 GMT -5
let's face it ....there is a dufus factor that georgetown athletics has to contend with.....see rchoya06.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 13, 2012 19:56:27 GMT -5
I haven't read too much of The Hoya this year, but which "barely researched" articles are you referring to, Dan? I'm glad we will defend the athletes on a full-ride, but make blanket statements about the coverage by a volunteer, student organization. Try this on for size - the initial opinion piece by the volunteer, student organization about the Coach. Note I said "opinion pieces" above: by and large, the game articles have been fine, but the OpEds have tended to slant towards portraying the Coach as someone marginal in need of saving his job due to poor results. As reference, this was the piece I had in mind in my post above - the "facts" it discussed bore little resemblance to reality. If a student who knows little or nothing about the program read it, I could understand why they would not be invested in supporting the team. The problem was the foundation was false and the conclusions drawn myopic. You can also read a discussion of it here.
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Post by jeffgreensmom2015 on Feb 13, 2012 20:01:28 GMT -5
It's beyond me why the rest of the students aren't intrigued with this team--one of the most surprising gtown teams we've had in a long time. As a student, it's easy to tell there's hardly any buzz on campus. Part of it, I'm betting is (and I know how pathetic this sounds) the lack of "stars" on the team. Jason is a very good college player, but he isn't going to the pros, and henry has blossomed into a very serviceable college center, but chances are he's not making the league either. In a year or two though, when Otto starts skyrocketing up the draft boards (and also the team will most likely have more success in the tourney), people will want to see him. The '07 team had Green and Hibbert, 2 great players who you wanted to see, as well as the great supporting cast of guys like pat ewing jr and obviously wallace. Even the underachieving team a few years later had a top 5 pick too, in Monroe, as well as flashier players like Summers and Sapp (who grossly underachieved) This year's team is so balanced, which is one of its greatest attributes, but that might potentially hurt the attendance to the casual fan. I think we all know Hollis is not that guy. Once again, it looks like we have a chance to make a nice run in the tourney this year, and obviously that will change things, but Otto blossoming into a star will also help, no doubt.
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Post by jeffgreensmom2015 on Feb 13, 2012 20:05:03 GMT -5
And I know that is not how college students should look at things--that's how lowly NBA fans view games....based on the opponent and the starpower, but that is the fact of the matter. Very few students, other than those who truly follow the team, realize how good a guy like Otto is, or a lot of the other players for that matter.
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Post by jeffgreensmom2015 on Feb 13, 2012 20:11:19 GMT -5
and not to beat down the point, but: 1. Kentucky: Anthony davis, gilchrist-kidd, terrence jones, doron lamb, teague, etc 2. syracuse: Joseph, Melo, waiters 3. missouri: Marcus Denmon 4. Duke: Austin Rivers 5. Kansas: Thomas Robinson 6. Ohio St: Sullinger and Aaron Craft 7. UNC: Barnes, Marshall, Henson, Zeller, etc 8. Michigan St: Maybe Draymond Green 9. Gtown: Clark? Sims? Hollis/Otto? 10. Baylor: Perry Jones, Quincy Acy
That gives you somewhat of an idea. Only Michigan st is sort of in the same class as us, and they have had amazing success in the tourney recently (and almost always)
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