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Post by swhoya on Jan 21, 2012 14:20:51 GMT -5
Scored 8 of our last 9, so nice stones there...
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 21, 2012 15:26:32 GMT -5
Kid hit big free throws down the stretch against Louisville and now against rutgers. What pressure!?!
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 29, 2012 17:14:23 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why we consistently play Otto at the 2 and Hollis at the 3 for long stretches of time? These guys roles should be reversed. Theres no way Otto should be at the top of the zone and handling the ball up the court while Hollis is in.
A minor point, but something I've never understood over this last stretch of mediocre play.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 17:58:08 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why we consistently play Otto at the 2 and Hollis at the 3 for long stretches of time? These guys roles should be reversed. Theres no way Otto should be at the top of the zone and handling the ball up the court while Hollis is in. A minor point, but something I've never understood over this last stretch of mediocre play. I think 3 thinks they’re interchangeable but Hollis’ handle is mediocre at best as well..
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Post by dense on Jan 29, 2012 19:15:29 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why we consistently play Otto at the 2 and Hollis at the 3 for long stretches of time? These guys roles should be reversed. Theres no way Otto should be at the top of the zone and handling the ball up the court while Hollis is in. A minor point, but something I've never understood over this last stretch of mediocre play. Very easy explanation actually. In the top of the zone the worst thing you can have is someone who cant stop penetration. Hollis isnt as good on the ball defender as Otto. If Hollis was up top 3 is feeling that the defense would totally get broken down. Also Otto's handle is way better on offense than Hollis
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Post by skyhoya on Jan 29, 2012 20:16:36 GMT -5
Just think how good Otto will become as he matures. We need to start building the team around him next year.
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 29, 2012 22:38:23 GMT -5
Otto is a very good player but this year long gushing seems a bit overboard. He's still growing into his game and has made a lot of freshmen mistakes this year. Some people on here talk about him like he's the next Carmelo or Kevin Durant. That being said, no one is doubting that he's going to be a great 3-4 year player for us.
Hollis isnt a great ballhandler but his handle is equally as steady if not steadier than Ottos. Also Hollis should be groomed as a 2/3 in the NBA and Otto as more of a 3/4. Hollis should be handling the ball and playing up top on the zone. If you think 6'8 Otto is keeping quick 6'1 guards in front of him at the top of the zone youre crazy. Otto is a better defender, rebounder and has a better court sense - all of which are important for the back of the zone.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 29, 2012 22:46:52 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why we consistently play Otto at the 2 and Hollis at the 3 for long stretches of time? These guys roles should be reversed. Theres no way Otto should be at the top of the zone and handling the ball up the court while Hollis is in. A minor point, but something I've never understood over this last stretch of mediocre play. Otto's a much better ball handler than Hollis. Otto will get even better next year but you can see he has good handles with how low he gets when he dribbles the ball. Remember Otto was a point guard before his growth spurt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 23:04:46 GMT -5
Otto is a very good player but this year long gushing seems a bit overboard. He's still growing into his game and has made a lot of freshmen mistakes this year. Some people on here talk about him like he's the next Carmelo or Kevin Durant. That being said, no one is doubting that he's going to be a great 3-4 year player for us. Hollis isnt a great ballhandler but his handle is equally as steady if not steadier than Ottos. Also Hollis should be groomed as a 2/3 in the NBA and Otto as more of a 3/4. Hollis should be handling the ball and playing up top on the zone. If you think 6'8 Otto is keeping quick 6'1 guards in front of him at the top of the zone youre crazy. Otto is a better defender, rebounder and has a better court sense - all of which are important for the back of the zone. Neither one of them are keeping quick guards in front of them in the zone, and out of a zone all 5 have to crash the boards. The weakest part of playing a zone is defensive rebounding. I think your splitting hairs and honestly I think it makes a small and almost insignificant difference where either are in the zone but Hollis has defended post players and is stronger than Otto. Also Otto is more active than Hollis at the top of the zone and the 1 3 1 press we run that we often drop back into a zone from. Since he is longer and more active I would prefer him on top since most of the time the ball stays on the perimeter on the zone. Otto causes more havoc and gets into passing lanes better than Hollis, his length makes it harder to make that post entry and like I said all 5 have to rebound out of the zone regardless of where they are positioned. In the Pro’s their both Small Forwards.. Hollis doesn’t posses the handle to play the 2 and Otto doesn’t have the strength or freakish athletic ability to play the 4 at his height.. There’s not a lot of 6’8 power forwards in the Nba period, and the ones that are? They’re not built like Otto..
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Post by wahoohoya on Feb 13, 2012 12:59:26 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Feb 13, 2012 13:22:46 GMT -5
Thanks wahoo. He's been tremendous on the court and it's great to hear that he's loving school.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 13, 2012 13:47:37 GMT -5
Congrats to Otto for making this week's Big East Honor Roll for averaging 12.5 and 10.5.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 13, 2012 14:16:40 GMT -5
If he's not first team all rookie this year, it will be a complete sham. I'm assuming Harkless has ROY wrapped up at this moment. If not, Drummond. If not, Otto.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 13, 2012 14:24:31 GMT -5
Otto is definitely making the BE All rookie team.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 13, 2012 14:33:33 GMT -5
If he's not first team all rookie this year, it will be a complete sham. I'm assuming Harkless has ROY wrapped up at this moment. If not, Drummond. If not, Otto. Porter might not make the all-rookie five on his lower shooting averages, but should. If it extends beyond five, he should be the sixth man. The best right now: Harrison-St.J Drummond-UConn Harkless - StJ Carter-Rutgers Pinkston-V'nova Porter-GU Henton-PC Dieng-L'ville Behanan-L'ville Collins-USF
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 13, 2012 14:37:11 GMT -5
Dieng is not a freshman he played last year at Lville.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 13, 2012 14:58:04 GMT -5
Harkless is a pretty clear leader, but of the rest of that list?
1) Behanan has had a couple of nice games, but he's pretty much an unskilled finisher -- should make the team but Pitino would take Porter over him I bet. 2) Drummond is going to be a lottery pick, but he hasn't actually produced aside from some offensive rebounding. 3) Carter is a low efficiency chucker. Per game numbers might be there but somehow I don't doubt half the freshmen guards in the league would be doing that at Rutgers. 4) Pinkston should be nowhere near this list. Not really bringing anything to the table. 5) Henton might be Porter's equal on O but not on D. 6) Needs more PT to be considered with Porter. 7) Harrison - Definitely should be on First Time and arguably has been better than Harkless when looking at the whole season (but is very erratic).
Reality is that Porter is the only freshman on that list that is a plus on D, and his O, while not high usage, is very efficient.
The team's quality, multitude of other offensive choices and pace won't help Porter, but I think he may get enough views from opposing coaches to get a so-good-we-have-to-vote despite the numbers election, like Jeff Green in 2007.
If you weight D like it should be weighted, Porter should be in contention for BE FOY, and probably the frontrunner.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 13, 2012 15:03:47 GMT -5
If he's not first team all rookie this year, it will be a complete sham. I'm assuming Harkless has ROY wrapped up at this moment. If not, Drummond. If not, Otto. Drummond passes the hype test; he fails the eye test.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 13, 2012 15:20:39 GMT -5
Otto is a very good player but this year long gushing seems a bit overboard. He's still growing into his game and has made a lot of freshmen mistakes this year. Some people on here talk about him like he's the next Carmelo or Kevin Durant. That being said, no one is doubting that he's going to be a great 3-4 year player for us. Hollis isnt a great ballhandler but his handle is equally as steady if not steadier than Ottos. Also Hollis should be groomed as a 2/3 in the NBA and Otto as more of a 3/4. Hollis should be handling the ball and playing up top on the zone. If you think 6'8 Otto is keeping quick 6'1 guards in front of him at the top of the zone youre crazy. Otto is a better defender, rebounder and has a better court sense - all of which are important for the back of the zone. I don't think anyone has compared him to Durant or Melo or anyone else of that caliber. That being said, I can't think of a glaring mistake he's made all year other leaving that preening schmo uncovered in OT last week.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 13, 2012 15:26:51 GMT -5
A 6th Man playing the 3/4 (sometimes at the top of our 2/3 zone) with 7 rebounds a game, 1.3 A:TO ratio, stellar defense, and hustle have got to count for something. Plus, he plays on a more successful team (hopefully) than all of the names/teams listed and he has 3-4 scorers ahead of him taking shots.
Porter demolished Benahan big time during their head to head match up.
Harkless and Drummond are 1-2, unfortunately, no matter what.
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