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Post by FromTheBeginning on Oct 21, 2011 16:12:02 GMT -5
This year I will be very pleased to have to worry about winning or losing a first round game.
As far as evaluating III's status for an extension, let's hope things play out well enough with all the realignment stuff where that is something we have to worry about. We shouldn't be worried about extending III's contract, we should be praying that he'll want it extended.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 21, 2011 16:20:56 GMT -5
GOOD THOUGHTS BEGINNNG GOOD THOUGTHS go hoyas win adn its solves alot HOPE THERE IS A BIGEAST TO CONTINUE IIN but now win and win and win we will see go hoyas
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 21, 2011 17:01:32 GMT -5
On a related note, it seems like almost all the focus is placed on the head coach, but you rarely hear much discussion about the assistants. Yet historically, you find that the teams that excel, often have not only marquee head coaches, but quite often have assistant coaches who later develop intot successful hea coaches elsewhere. In that regard, what are your opinions of the staff as a whole and III's mentoring/tutoring skills as far as developing future coaches are concerned? 2 former assisstants have gone on to be head coaches at other schools: Princeton and Binghamton. Sydney Johnson now Fairfield is doing quite well.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 21, 2011 17:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by MassHoya on Oct 21, 2011 17:15:35 GMT -5
Sophomoric? Don't think so. Emch is supposedly a sophomore in the College, but if I was him I would ask for his tuition back. Regardless of those heartbreaking losses in the NCAA, Thompson is still 160-71 over 7 years.
Undeducated is a better appellation.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Oct 21, 2011 17:41:53 GMT -5
I think we should all give the writer a break. I have it on good authority that the only reason his piece was so poorly researched was that he was hoping it would boost his chances of getting a job offer from The Washington Post. Ba-ZING!! From the perspective of a former Hoya sports writer, I agree with nearly all the criticisms of this article posted here. I don't agree with much of what he wrote, most especially his use of Princeton results to somehow reach a conclusion about JT III's value as a coach. What's interesting is that it is not poorly researched, per se. Anything that can be looked up in the media guide or on hoyasaxa.com is correct. He didn't get neatly quantifiable statistics wrong. The bigger problem is that it lacks perspective. As someone else pointed out, this writer was like 11 when JT III was hired -- how can he really know what was "predestined?" Unfortunately, this is the hardest thing for a student newspaper to get right -- to nail how things felt when the writer was in high school or grade school or not even born yet at the time the thing actually happened. To get that right, which is something The Hoya should still strive for, requires reading a lot of the coverage at the time or, better yet, talking to people that were there. And that brings me to a related criticism that I had of nearly all of the columnists (sports and otherwise) that wrote during my time on the paper -- there was a mistaken, and dangerous, perception that unlike reporters, columnists didn't have to report or even do research. I don't know Matt Emch, so he may not be guilty of that particular attitude, but it is all too common.
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Post by SaxaCD on Oct 22, 2011 3:36:26 GMT -5
Last year, PG broke wrist, SG had high ankle sprain and was never the same. I remember at the time being amazed how fast Austin came back, and ALSO reading about how high ankle sprains usually take weeks of rest until they are completely healed. I also noticed how after that injury, his lift (such as it was) and legs were never under his jumpshot again, really. Putting it all on the coach for a first round exit against a solid small conference squad with the two best players on the team injured is laughable. JT3 is an excellent coach and I'm happy we have him.
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Post by msbhoya07 on Oct 22, 2011 3:42:59 GMT -5
This writer completely fails to recognize the condition of the program when JTIII was hired. I was freshman in JTIIIs first year and was able to see the growth of a program from the depths of college basketball. To say that Craig Esherick is to thank for our Final Four team in 2007 is moronic! Without JTIII, Georgetown wouldn't be worried about the status of the Big East right now, they'd be worried about how to win a conference title in the MAC!
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 22, 2011 7:31:16 GMT -5
Sadly it seems that interest by The Hoya Editorial staff in what they publish is minimal.
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Post by bigelephant on Oct 22, 2011 8:20:09 GMT -5
I vote sophomoronic.
JTIII is the best thing to happen to GT since JT,Jr came. Of course, he has faults - but so does every coach. He has made many steps to correct the things that need correcting. I think GT is in good hands and for this year, in a good place - under the radar and loaded.
To talk about getting some one else is ridiculous.
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Post by reformation on Oct 22, 2011 8:31:40 GMT -5
Sadly it seems that interest by The Hoya Editorial staff in what they publish is minimal. If we ranked how good a job "The Hoya" does vs other peer instititions it would probably be near the bottom. Certainly a lot lower than JT3. However, that does not mean JT# is above criticism or review-I disagree with the writers conclusions and believe that both he is doing a good job and is probably the best we can get. However, he should have some accountability for results as most of us do. I get the sense that he is not really accountable, like a lot of people at Gtwn--its hard because he knows that Gtwn doesn't have a good second option. Also re: the article--just because the writer used some statistics doesn't mean it was well researched--even from a statistics perspective.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Oct 24, 2011 0:09:16 GMT -5
Sadly it seems that interest by The Hoya Editorial staff in what they publish is minimal. If we ranked how good a job "The Hoya" does vs other peer instititions it would probably be near the bottom. Certainly a lot lower than JT3. To be fair, The Hoya lacks the facilities, support staff, and financial resources available to a Syracuse Daily Orange, a Harvard Crimson, or a Stanford Daily. The compensation for staffers isn't even close to being in the same league.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 24, 2011 10:02:40 GMT -5
not only the pg and sg hurt but also at a critical time jules was playing very injured too. AND THE TEAM THAT BEAT US hmm didnt do so bad WRIGHT if i recall but i try to block it out jt3 the BEST thing thats happened to gu in many years BUILD THE IAD TO SUPPORT HIM SO HE CAN DO THINGS go hoyas
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Oct 24, 2011 14:53:35 GMT -5
JTIII gets it done! WE ARE...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 24, 2011 15:41:37 GMT -5
GEORGETOWN!
Home opener is just around the corner! Can't Wait!
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Post by NCHoya on Oct 24, 2011 16:09:36 GMT -5
I appreciate this writer's ability to begin the first substantial discussion about the 2011-2012 Hoyas, but that is about where my appreciation or even comprehension of what he writes ends.
JT3 is a great coach for this program because he has demonstrated he can coach good players, he has a connection/loyalty to Georgetown few other coaches would have and he has demonstarted to me he is able to change his approach to seek improvement.
An article like this should start and end with RB's comments above about alternatives. Is there a realistic alternative to JT3 that would be better for Georgetown? Personally, I almost feel that is a rhetorical question much less worth having a discussion about.
If JT3 was stubbornly sticking to his original gameplan from 2007, I would be one of the first to jump the bandwagon. However, we all see JT3 is making the right moves to keep and improve the Hoyas for years to come. He is recruiting better and longer athletes. He hired Kirby who has proven to be an invaluable recruiter and brought back Boadus despite knowing the criticism he would take. JT3 is doing what is necessary to keep Georgetown a destination program despite some of the worst facilities in the country.
Finally, it is a shame that III is starting to be judged by a single elimination tournament like the NCAAs. It really highlights a huge flaw in college basketball that a single game in March outweighs the entire accomplishment of a successful season. For the majority of years under JT3, the Hoyas have been a Top 25 team, not too many coaches can boast a record of that magintude.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 24, 2011 16:42:40 GMT -5
GEORGETOWN! Home opener is just around the corner! Can't Wait!
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Post by bicentennial on Oct 25, 2011 10:55:03 GMT -5
Added it up. Since January of 2010, Georgetown is 5th in appearances in top 25 AP poll. From January 2000-Dec2009 Georgetown was 27th in appearances in top 25 AP poll. From January 2000-March 2011 Georgetown in top 20, only syracuse, Pitt, Conn and Marquette from BE there more. Would probably be higher if only from 2004 to current but didn't have enough time to review individual polls so used site that cumulates by decade.
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 25, 2011 12:01:54 GMT -5
hmmmm not too shabby no ??go hoyas surprises coming starting maybe with carolina blue perhaps listen for the birdie please
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Post by bigelephant on Oct 25, 2011 12:15:28 GMT -5
hmmmm not too shabby no ??go hoyas surprises coming starting maybe with carolina blue perhaps listen for the birdie please OK - 'splain
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