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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 20, 2011 14:43:42 GMT -5
The closest Big 12 school to Morgantown is Iowa State (900 miles), the most distant Texas Tech (1500 miles). Unlike a football-only invite like AFA or Boise, that's considerable travel costs for WVU's 14 other sports (they are near the NCAA minimum).
Seems hasty for any school to jump before seeing the new BE TV contract. Worst-case scenario, they could hang around and lobby Pitt for a spot in the ACC-16 scenario (the UConn strategy), but the Big 12 brings WVU no regional visibility. Kind of like, oh...BC.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Oct 20, 2011 14:48:22 GMT -5
Boise St over the last few years isn't just as good, they are markedly better.
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Post by thebin on Oct 20, 2011 14:49:34 GMT -5
How many miles between Dallas and Providence College?
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 20, 2011 15:02:07 GMT -5
Geno goes off the reservation and tells it like it is (as Howard Cosell used to say). I like it! (even though it won't help) Auriemma blames ND for shuffle"If Notre Dame had come in as a football and basketball school when they came in, we wouldn't have a problem. Miami wouldn't have left. Virginia Tech wouldn't have left. Boston College wouldn't have left. We probably wouldn't have any of these issues, would we?" Auriemma said.
"We've got one school that holds the future of our league in the palm of their hand and they're not really that concerned about it," Auriemma said. "
"But if you know, that you as a school, have the ability to put a whole bunch of schools at ease and have the Catholic mentality of, 'We're here to serve and help . . . " he said.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 20, 2011 18:29:48 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 20, 2011 23:41:59 GMT -5
geno prettY darn interesting... he sure likes himself enough to tell it like it is ...GO hoyas go big east........ COME ON NOTRE DAME .......YOU SAY YOURE CATHOLIC ........WELL PROVE IT NOW!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by fsohoya on Oct 21, 2011 6:30:21 GMT -5
I don't like the BE losing another team, especially a good football program which could be important for maintaining BCS status, but I can't say I'll miss WVU and its fans. Almost always unpleasant.
On a related note, any thought given, do you think, to having BYU join for football? It seems there'll be another opening, and they are currently independent. Seems like they'd partner well with Boise State and the AFA. They likely also have something of a national following given the presence of Mormons nationwide. And maybe they wouldn't want all their sports having to travel a lot, but they wouldn't be a bad hoops addition, etiher.
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Post by bigelephant on Oct 21, 2011 7:36:03 GMT -5
I think I missed something. Can anyone tell me if WVU is definitely leaving the BE?
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Post by fsohoya on Oct 21, 2011 7:42:18 GMT -5
I think I missed something. Can anyone tell me if WVU is definitely leaving the BE? Sorry. I don't think its confirmed that WVU has either been invited or has accepted a B12 invitation. I wrote, though, like the rumor is true.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Oct 21, 2011 7:44:19 GMT -5
No, nothing is certain by any means. And the the part that sickens me is it might not be for YEARS. When I hear the ACC or Big 12 say they are staying with X number of teams FOR NOW...I want to rip their heads off. Its not enough that you are raping our conference, we need to worry about it going on for years? Get it over with now. Enough is enough.
Best case scenario is Big 12 takes BYU instead of WVA and then we lock in with no more defections pending Navy, AFA, Boise, SMU, UCF, Houston acceptances. I mentioned BYU a few weeks ago and people seemed to think it was far fetched- which I have to agree with because it would seem BYU would have better options. But if they don't, and we get the other teams in...would be a great football add.
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Post by thebin on Oct 21, 2011 7:55:30 GMT -5
It has never been clear to me why Mizzou is looking to get out or why the SEC wants them. They are not a top class program- they don't have a massive market. What is the interest? Isn't Texas committed to the Big 12 now? Just because of A&M? And why did A&M jump ship? I can see why you would bolt the Big East if you were a football power. But not the Big 12. It seems to me the Big 12 is totally solid if they don't leave and that they are much better placed to compete for BCS games in it than in the SEC.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 21, 2011 8:26:40 GMT -5
1) BYU apparently loves the concept of being independent more so than even ND does. So they might not be going anywhere.
2) Mizzou is looking to get to the SEC because a) it would be more money and b) the B12 is only solid for now. The second the Pac12 decides it wants one or more of their teams they are leaving.
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Post by thebin on Oct 21, 2011 8:40:25 GMT -5
Why would the conferences be good "for now?" If they are not ruling out explanding further- just do it now. Makes me see red. Isn't 12 enough for a conference title game- isn't that the endgame?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 21, 2011 9:06:05 GMT -5
If it were why did the ACC and SEC expand past 12? The end game now is Super Conferences. That's why it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to jump to the B12 when there is no guarantee of security there. The thing is we don't know in the long run if only 4 super conferences will exist with a lot of excluding or if an arrangement of 5 or 6 super conferences will emerge that's inclusive enough for most people's liking.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 21, 2011 9:43:43 GMT -5
And why did A&M jump ship? Texas A&M jumped ship (and started this whole mess) because they were tired of living in Texas' shadow in the Big 12. They were very angry about the Longhorn Network and its plans to show high school games (providing Texas with a recruiting advantage, etc.) So, essentially, Texas A&M left because they threw a fit, without any regard to the fact that they will be losing their most important rivalry with Texas (Texas apparently will not play A&M now that they have left). Granted, the SEC is a pretty good alternative option, but the A&M move doesn't really make sense. They didn't want to play second fiddle in the Big 12 to Texas, so instead they'll now play second fiddle to LSU, Alabama, etc. in the SEC, while losing their best rivalry. That makes a lot of sense to me.
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Post by fsohoya on Oct 21, 2011 9:47:37 GMT -5
I think A&M's big worry was that the Longhorn Newtork would give UT an even bigger recruiting advantage than they thought it already had. For why the SEC would take Mizzou, all I can guess is that it would even up the conference membership numbers. And all these conferences are saying stuff like "for now" because they, reasonably, never know when things will change.
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Post by thebin on Oct 21, 2011 9:53:45 GMT -5
I would think UT would have a recruiting edge over A&M because it is UT. It is a much better school, program, and brand. The longhorn network is an effect of that, not a cause. I agree A&M is misguided. Just beat them, don't run from them.
But if any single one school started this mess...I maintain it is Boston College in 2003. The first geographically non-sensical betrayal/moneygrab that broke down the floodgates.
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Post by bmartin on Oct 21, 2011 10:08:47 GMT -5
Amazing how much has changed in 20 years: This was 1990-91 conference alignment:
ACC: 8 teams - UNC, Duke, NCSU, Wake, Maryland, Virginia, Clemson, GA Tech Big East: 9 teams - GU, Villanova, St. John's, Seton Hall, Providence, Syracuse, UConn, BC, Pitt Metro: 8 teams - Louisville, Cincinnati, South Carolina, Florida St, Va Tech, Memphis St, Southern Miss, Tulane A-10: 10 teams - Rutgers, Penn St, WVU, Temple, GWU, UMass, Duquesne, St. Joseph's, URI, St. Bonnie MWCC: 8 teams - Marquette, Xavier, Dayton, Butler, St. Louis, Evansville, Loyola IL, Detroit Sun Belt - 8 teams - USF, VCU, ODU, UNC-Charlotte, UAB, South Alabama, WKU, Jacksonville SEC: 10 teams - Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, MSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vandy, Florida, Georgia Big 8: 8 teams - OU, OSU, KU, KSU, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Iowa St SWC: 9 teams - UT, TAMU, TTU, Baylor, SMU, TCU, Rice, Houston, Arkansas
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Post by thebin on Oct 21, 2011 10:51:28 GMT -5
In 1990, where did BC and Pitt play their football? Independent?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 21, 2011 10:56:55 GMT -5
In 1990, where did BC and Pitt play their football? Independent? All I-A Eastern schools were formerly independents other than the Ivy League, which moved down to I-AA in 1982. After 1982, the Eastern I-A list was Army, Boston College, Holy Cross, Navy, Penn State, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, and West Virginia.
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