SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 18, 2011 9:44:08 GMT -5
The biggest advantage these other conferences have right now is the BIG money each school gets from their ESPN deals.
But if the BE pulls off its current expansion, we will be in line for a HUGE pay day next year -- from ESPN or whomever wants to outbid them and compete with them. Either way, the BE will be in the catbird seat.
BE football will be very attractive to our current and newly added teams as there isn't one or two schools that dominate the conference.
As for Basketball, BE hoops right now is as good as or better than any other conference in the country. IT could become even stronger. AND.. we have far and way the #1 conference showcase tournament in America.
I think we've all become so gun-shy from the recent past that we are underestimating just how much the BE still has going for it... and the much stronger position we could be in very soon. L'Ville and WVU demonstrated that last night.
At this point, my optimism has been raised considerably. We are fighting back!
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Post by nychoya3 on Oct 18, 2011 9:54:07 GMT -5
Good points, HSB and SirSaxa. B12 is not a paragon of stability. I assume the money is better there than in the hypothethical BE that is coming together, but I'm not sure how much better given that their most marketable school (UT) has its own TV deal going. Louisville football would be signing up to get stepped on by OSU, OU, and UT year after year. The BE has been the whipping boy of this process so far, but the B12 hasn't exactly been in charge. They've now lost A&M, Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska. Seems like people aren't so eager to be a part of their conference either.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy - if our incoming and existing schools stick together we have a very real chance to build something great and enduring. If everyone keeps looking for the exits, we're all going down with the ship.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 18, 2011 10:03:38 GMT -5
The biggest advantage these other conferences have right now is the BIG money each school gets from their ESPN deals. But if the BE pulls off its current expansion, we will be in line for a HUGE pay day next year -- from ESPN or whomever wants to outbid them and compete with them. Either way, the BE will be in the catbird seat. BE football will be very attractive to our current and newly added teams as there isn't one or two schools that dominate the conference. As for Basketball, BE hoops right now is as good as or better than any other conference in the country. IT could become even stronger. AND.. we have far and way the #1 conference showcase tournament in America. I think we've all become so gun-shy from the recent past that we are underestimating just how much the BE still has going for it... and the much stronger position we could be in very soon. L'Ville and WVU demonstrated that last night. At this point, my optimism has been raised considerably. We are fighting back! Agree that Big East basketball is as strong or stronger than any other conference. People forget that other than Duke and UNC, the ACC has no consistently Top 10 teams. Syracuse and Duke are both headed by "aging" coaches and transition is always tough when following a legend. (Calling Craig Esherick). As for the football programs, it seems apparent that Air Force is interested--football only, as well as Houston and SMU. In many ways, SMU is as good or a better catch than TCU, because it has a very large and wealthy alumni base in Dallas--more so than TCU. UCF is a solid addition in a great television market, as well. Those four, plus Navy--football only, make sense. If one more is needed, I cannot understand why the conference would not take BYU over Boise St. BYU's football teams are consistently good and, if asked, could bring a solid basketball program to the Big East.
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Post by guru on Oct 18, 2011 10:11:05 GMT -5
Let's just see how it plays out. 1) Missouri hasn't left yet and it will at least be a year before they can actually leave. 2) The B12 seems to tend to want to stay at 10 members. I think it's Texas who pushes for this and they usually get their way. So the B12 may only just replace Missouri and won't necessarily go for 12. Remember the B12 lost money on the Title game and don't really care about having one. 3) We do not know who they will take. Maybe they invite a BE school, maybe they offer BYU or Boisie State. 4) We do not know for sure that a BE school would take the invite. Yes if the ACC, B1G, SEC, or PAC comes calling absolutely they're 99% gone. But the B12 is a different beast. Currently more stable than us. But long term not any more stable. The second the Pac 12 is ready to expand the league will be devastated. The SEC is taking two of their teams. What's to stop them from taking 2 more. Their share from the B12 would likely not be much higher if at all then what they will get from the new BE's media deal if we can make it to that point. Hopefully Louisville's public support of the BE will remain strong. My goodness you're a dogged optimist. IIRC, you were also quite relieved when A&M first "decided against" joining the SEC - we know how that turned out. Fact is, if the Big East survives this intact and at any sort of strength, it'll be pretty lucky - and it isn't likely. It's simple economics for the football schools.
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Post by nychoya3 on Oct 18, 2011 10:51:12 GMT -5
Joining the ACC/SEC is simple economics. We know WVU/UConn/Louisville would jump on those invites. But the B12 isn't all that much higher than the BE in the pecking order of things right now. It's a pretty crappy place to be, unless you're Texas, Oklahoma, or Oklahoma State. The money is not on the level of the ACC/SEC/B10/P12.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 18, 2011 10:52:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this move by Missouri creates another opportunity for some Big East college presidents to prove that they are liars. I can only pray that they show some faith and hang with the conference.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 18, 2011 11:01:34 GMT -5
Let's just see how it plays out. 1) Missouri hasn't left yet and it will at least be a year before they can actually leave. 2) The B12 seems to tend to want to stay at 10 members. I think it's Texas who pushes for this and they usually get their way. So the B12 may only just replace Missouri and won't necessarily go for 12. Remember the B12 lost money on the Title game and don't really care about having one. 3) We do not know who they will take. Maybe they invite a BE school, maybe they offer BYU or Boisie State. 4) We do not know for sure that a BE school would take the invite. Yes if the ACC, B1G, SEC, or PAC comes calling absolutely they're 99% gone. But the B12 is a different beast. Currently more stable than us. But long term not any more stable. The second the Pac 12 is ready to expand the league will be devastated. The SEC is taking two of their teams. What's to stop them from taking 2 more. Their share from the B12 would likely not be much higher if at all then what they will get from the new BE's media deal if we can make it to that point. Hopefully Louisville's public support of the BE will remain strong. My goodness you're a dogged optimist. IIRC, you were also quite relieved when A&M first "decided against" joining the SEC - we know how that turned out. Fact is, if the Big East survives this intact and at any sort of strength, it'll be pretty lucky - and it isn't likely. It's simple economics for the football schools. We need somebody to balance your dogged pessimism, Guru. The conference is certainly scrambling, but at the same time it is being proactive and trying to build a model that will last for a few years, and couls even strengthen the football brand if we can get all 3, or even 2, of the service academies on board. The Big East has been the weakling of the BCS for years, and yet still endured with its BCS slot. The new plan is no weaker, and may be stronger in the long run; and at worst, forcing WVA, Louisville and Rutgers to spend an extra $5 million to get out will put a little extra cash in our pockets if the sky falls.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Oct 18, 2011 11:23:09 GMT -5
I agree with the posters that say the ACC and Big 10, unfortunately and ridiculously, is a no-brainer for the BE football schools, but the Big 12 isn't. The instability of the conference is as big as the Big East, and the added tension of Texas and their TV deal isn't going to go away. Further - the Big 12's football pedigree is not such a great thing when attracting BE football members as they wouldn't do very well. And finally, they have more geographically attractive schools to recruit than coming this far East.
So for all those reasons I hope the conference gets through this week with some new members along the lines of what they are talking about. I am probably with the camp that prefers Temple and Memphis over Houston and SMU for stability, basketball pedigree and rivalry, and East coast footprint, but if they can lock in the teams on the table they will be in a great place and get a great TV deal.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Oct 18, 2011 11:46:35 GMT -5
Let's pray Big 12 grabs BYU to replace Mizzou and it all stops there, leaving our proposed expansion in place. Louisville & WVA don't really add any significant TV audience to the Big 12, so I don't see a re-opening of the TV contract if they invite either of those 2. TX / OK/ OSU etc. won't want to dilute their shares any more.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 18, 2011 11:49:43 GMT -5
We need to start that Big East network in partnership with Comcast/NBC.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 18, 2011 13:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by calhoya on Oct 18, 2011 14:44:04 GMT -5
Reading these statements I wonder if the league requires unanimous approval to issue an invitation to a new member. If not, then the Commissioner should get off his rear and issue at least one to trigger the higher exit fee. Not that such a fee would keep Louisville or West Virginia from jumping to the Big 12 or SEC, but it might increase the pain a little. If unanimous approval is required to invite a new member, then I wonder if the football schools are holding off until seeing what Missouri does.
Continue to disagree with the patchwork approach to holding the conference together with schools scattered across the nation. Smacks of desperation and unlikely to last. Let's get Houston, SMU and UCF done and then wait to see what happens when the smoke clears. Hopefully Nova will agree to eventually add Temple. At that point football and basketball have been strengthened considerably from the current state and the basketball conference grows to 18. You can go East-West into two divisions, mixing in the football and basketball schools to avoid any further separation of interests--though that certainly did not help with Syracuse or Pitt.
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Post by nychoya3 on Oct 18, 2011 14:52:50 GMT -5
The acceptance of an invite by one of those key schools is what would trigger the higher fee as I read it, not just the act of formally inviting someone. I'm assuming the fee increases contingent on Boise, Air Force, or (maybe) Navy accepting an invite as football only members.
We absolutely, 100 percent, should not invite a school until we know they will accept our invite. I'd rather we invite ECU and claim that was the idea all along. So much of this now is about perception. If we announce this afternoon that Boise has been invited and they decide to stay where they are, the BE looks even weaker than it does now (if that's possible) and the remaining football schools will be looking all the more frantically for an exit.
The fee increase is good for messaging purposes, but it's not going to actually stop WVU from leaving if the SEC comes calling. Just saying. Senator Rockefeller would probably write the check himself to the BE if it came to that.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 19, 2011 7:00:43 GMT -5
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Post by thebin on Oct 20, 2011 10:28:47 GMT -5
The lack of information on this front over the last 24 plus hours is killing me. I can't remotely get excited about this season (partially because we seem to be accurately pegged into the 10th spot) while the immensity of this issue still hangs over our heads. Assume that the Media Day blackout should be ending soon...sure hope we get something definitive from the service academies soon, who I really think are the lynchpin, in particular Navy.
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 20, 2011 11:49:52 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 20, 2011 13:29:40 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 20, 2011 14:07:28 GMT -5
So Louisville passed? Because nothing says tradition than West Virginia and Texas Tech.
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Post by thebin on Oct 20, 2011 14:22:31 GMT -5
Totally on your side DFW, but were in absolutely NO position to be playing the look-what-horrible-matchups-you'll-have game. To be honest, WVU-TTech seems like a very good football matchup and therefore a pretty sexy game. I'd rather lose WVU than Louisville and to some extent even Rutgers and Uconn (not that they are wanted) since WVU seems to me truely belongs in a big state conference in the south or midwest. Kind of like when Va Tech left for the ACC...couldn't get worked up about it. Just seemed to make too much sense for them.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 20, 2011 14:32:03 GMT -5
Yeah this could be great news if 1) Louisville stays and 2) if they stop at 10 which they seem to be leaning towards.
WV is the best football program. But if Boise comes in they're just as good.
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