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Post by bigelephant on Sept 21, 2011 7:38:18 GMT -5
Can anyone give a short synopsis of where we stand? There has been so much stuff flying back and forth, it's hard to follow just whats happeneing to the Hoyas. Does anyone know or could venture a guess to the question?
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Post by fsohoya on Sept 21, 2011 7:42:11 GMT -5
I'm guessing no one -- with the possible exception of DFW -- knows. We probably, though, expressed our commitment to the BE, which I hope at this point means as little as I think it does for all the other schools. So stay if it makes sense, but be preparing for change. It's just accepting the reality of college sports.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Sept 21, 2011 8:10:25 GMT -5
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Post by cincyhoya on Sept 21, 2011 9:13:10 GMT -5
a) We encourage Notre Dame to keep stubborn b/c them being "out there" will probably paralyze the B-10 and ACC from further expansion as they "hold a spot" for them
b) We pray that the PAC-12 presidents don't want to go farther east
c) We hope the SEC realizes no Big East schools add economic value to their conference
d) (i) We hope the Big-12 adds BYU to get back to 10 and kicks the expansion plan down the road; or
(ii) The BE needs to get on the phone with Kansas, K State, Iowa State and Baylor and invite them and convince them to join. Make them answer the question if they want to stay partnered in conference that clearly doesn't care about them. Missouri will ultimately wind up in the Big-10 or SEC. Texas / Tech / Oklahoma / State can keep stroking each other and figure out their own future themselves.
The preliminary reaction (service academies, UCF, ECU) isn't a death sentence, but it doesn't strengthen the conference.
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Post by Bando on Sept 21, 2011 14:24:14 GMT -5
The PAC-12 expansion won't continue unless Texas comes along. And that's a sticky point, as Texas doesn't want to go for equal revenue sharing. That's the impasse that's preventing the dominoes from falling at this point.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 21, 2011 14:45:14 GMT -5
Hopefully the uber-greed of Texas and ND will keep things fairly static for a couple more years, and we will have time to determine and implement the next steps.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Sept 21, 2011 14:49:27 GMT -5
Hopefully the uber-greed of Texas and ND will keep things fairly static for a couple more years, and we will have time to determine and implement the next steps. That is probably the most succinct and accurate summary of what is holding the Big East together right now. Certainly more in touch with reality than the "FB Schools Re-Commit to Conference" fairy tale headline that currently graces this site. |
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Post by fsohoya on Sept 21, 2011 14:59:45 GMT -5
Hopefully the uber-greed of Texas and ND will keep things fairly static for a couple more years, and we will have time to determine and implement the next steps. That is probably the most succinct and accurate summary of what is holding the Big East together right now. Certainly more in touch with reality than the "FB Schools Re-Commit to Conference" fairy tale headline that currently graces this site. And is -- surprise! -- wrong: www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15616850/officials-uconn-not-committed-to-staying-in-big-east |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 21, 2011 15:52:46 GMT -5
Unfortunately for both UConn and Rutgers, their football programs have only slightly more attractiveness to the big boys than Georgetown or 'Nova do as bball-only members. Even Seth Greenberg at VTech admitted that with Syracuse on board to bring in the NYC market, neither UConn nor Rutgers really adds anything to the ACC. They will be very reluctant members of the BE until one of the other conferences has no other choice to get up to 16 schools. In the meantime, as soon as it becomes clear that no other moves will take place this year, the conference needs to immediately up the buy-out price to $15-$20 million, to give those state schools pause when the next round of moves comes, or at least to put some extra money in the rest of our coffers. I also hope we extort an extra $5-$10 million each from Pitt and SU to let them out after this year; we don't want lame ducks around, but we should bleed them for their freedom.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 21, 2011 16:05:52 GMT -5
I still don't understand the logic of "Syracuse brings the New York market." How? First of all, the school is 250 miles from New York City. Second, their football team stinks. Third, their basketball team has done well in the past, but do they have a super strong following in the city? Sure, there are a number of Syracuse alumni in New York City, but enough to "bring the New York market"? I don't think so.
The same holds true with Rutgers. I live in northern New Jersey and I don't know anybody (except one former Rutgers alumni) who cares about Scarlet Knight football. If the ACC starts its own network, there is no way Cablevision (which covers much of NJ) will carry it outside an extra sports package.
I think the economics of the super conferences have been treated with a grain of salt and may lead to their ultimate downfall. The top 20 football programs bring in enormous amounts of money. Beyond that, the numbers fall dramatically. Even if there are 16 team super conferences that develop, the rich teams at the top will eventually break away so that they can keep their fair share.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Sept 21, 2011 16:37:33 GMT -5
Syracuse "brings the NY market" because they [egotistically] call themselves "NY's college team."
Must drive SJU/SHU up the wall.
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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 21, 2011 18:02:31 GMT -5
Half of long island went to syracuse.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 21, 2011 18:19:26 GMT -5
Syracuse actually has a huge alumni base in nyc. They routinely draw big crowds when they play in the area. The acc certainly researched those issues before extending the invitatuon
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Sept 21, 2011 18:29:45 GMT -5
Half of long island went to syracuse. And then they all go back home when they can't get jobs with a Syracuse degree. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 21, 2011 18:44:47 GMT -5
Half of long island went to syracuse. Lofty admissions standards. |
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Post by hoyadestroya on Sept 21, 2011 19:22:43 GMT -5
All the talk here is how great its going to be when SUcks plays NC or Duke. WTF!! How soon they are dissing the Hoyas. I'll have to schedule my vacations around those games to get as far out of this area as possible.
For those questioning SU as NY's college team, there isn't exactly alot as far as sports going on in anything outside of NYC that people have to root for. Buffalo Bills have been a bust lately, so really this school is what everyone in 100 mile radius care about. There's many more options for fans in NYC area from pro to college teams.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Sept 21, 2011 19:27:00 GMT -5
Half of long island went to syracuse. That's because WG can only take so many of them... |
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Sept 21, 2011 19:30:01 GMT -5
I'm fine with them being "Upstate, NY's college team." I mean, thats not a contest.
I just find it insulting to SJU when there's a big Orange "NY's college team" video flashed across Times Square (and ads on top of taxi cabs, etc).
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Post by FLHoya on Sept 21, 2011 21:39:54 GMT -5
Nate Silver's blog post on the geography of college football fans has been making the rounds this week on the interwebz. thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?src=me&ref=sportsEssentially, he comes up with a metric to determine how many fans a college football team actually delivers in a given TV market (won't explain it here, you can read in the post...and it's an imperfect metric IMO, but a decent start and as good as is prob readily available). This allows him to rank the most popular teams in a given market, and most popular college programs overall. There's also a metric to determine which are the most valuable TV markets (number of viewers in market X percent in market who are college football fans). By total # of fans, NYC is number one, but by % of viewers who are college football fans, Birmingham is #1, and that's good enough to make it the #6 college football market by this metric. Anyhow, to get to the punchline, according to this metric, the list of most popular college football teams in NYC is: 1. Rutgers (and they more than double the share of #2) 2. Notre Dame 3. Penn State 4. UConn 5. Michigan 6. Syracuse (EDIT: One side point that's relevant...when you see something like ND having 266K fans in the NYC market on this metric, it emphasizes the power of college football. Imperfect though this metric may be, would you think any of the northeastern BE basketball schools could lay claim to 266K fans in...the country?) |
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Post by sead43 on Sept 21, 2011 21:47:33 GMT -5
Nate Silver's blog post on the geography of college football fans has been making the rounds this week on the interwebz. thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?src=me&ref=sportsEssentially, he comes up with a metric to determine how many fans a college football team actually delivers in a given TV market (won't explain it here, you can read in the post...and it's an imperfect metric IMO, but a decent start and as good as is prob readily available). This allows him to rank the most popular teams in a given market, and most popular college programs overall. There's also a metric to determine which are the most valuable TV markets (number of viewers in market X percent in market who are college football fans). By total # of fans, NYC is number one, but by % of viewers who are college football fans, Birmingham is #1, and that's good enough to make it the #6 college football market by this metric. Anyhow, to get to the punchline, according to this metric, the list of most popular college football teams in NYC is: 1. Rutgers (and they more than double the share of #2) 2. Notre Dame 3. Penn State 4. UConn 5. Michigan 6. Syracuse (EDIT: One side point that's relevant...when you see something like ND having 266K fans in the NYC market on this metric, it emphasizes the power of college football. Imperfect though this metric may be, would you think any of the northeastern BE basketball schools could lay claim to 266K fans in...the country?) would love to see that list for basketball... |
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