TC
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Post by TC on Apr 17, 2011 10:58:10 GMT -5
Vee would have stayed if he was given more opportunity. The idea that JC can play 35 mpg while a very serviceable backup plays 3 mins, is asinine. Then Chris goes down and Vee still doesnt get minutes. If that is how the staff is going to manage time, there will be a constant flow of guys leaving. Chicken or the egg? I wouldn't judge the staff on that unless I knew exactly when the transfer decision was made. If Vee had decided that he wanted to transfer in January - or earlier - then it makes sense that he doesn't play even after Chris went down.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Apr 17, 2011 11:14:28 GMT -5
Sad to see this, and I had really hoped this wasn't true. I thought Vee deserved much more PT than he got, and unlike previous transfers, he was productive while on the court. Wish him the best wherever he ends up.
Also, because of this, I'm assuming JB is staying. Double ouch. I understand that they don't play the same position and we were really hurting for size, but hypothetically speaking, do you think if JTIII could do it all over again after Chris went down he would've given Vee all of Jerelle's minutes? If it could've avoided this situation, and had he known we wouldn't have won any of those games (we weren't competitive in any of them save Cuse at home), I think he would've. Ah well, hindsight is 20/20, I guess.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 17, 2011 12:03:07 GMT -5
Really not necessary to take a shot at Benimon in expressing your disappointment about Vee. If you don't like his game, blame the coach for recruiting him. I cannot fault the kid for effort, though his lack of a complete game I readily acknowledge and have done so in the context of describing his play on the court. It is important to remember that these kids do read these boards and your point could have been made without the need to express your "double" disappointment that Benimon is staying.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 17, 2011 12:06:33 GMT -5
Vee would have stayed if he was given more opportunity. The idea that JC can play 35 mpg while a very serviceable backup plays 3 mins, is asinine. Then Chris goes down and Vee still doesnt get minutes. If that is how the staff is going to manage time, there will be a constant flow of guys leaving. Chicken or the egg? I wouldn't judge the staff on that unless I knew exactly when the transfer decision was made. If Vee had decided that he wanted to transfer in January - or earlier - then it makes sense that he doesn't play even after Chris went down. There's no way Vee told the staff in January or earlier that he was leaving, he could have saved himself a 1/2 year of eligibility if he left after the fall semester.. I actually think the fact he didn't get any additional PT after Chris got hurt was the last straw in his mind. The staff has to be judged on this. It's a bad job on their part. Does anyone else find it odd that the school has not had a press release about Vee leaving? What are they waiting for?
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Post by b52legend on Apr 17, 2011 12:13:09 GMT -5
This transfer really stings. I guess the main thing I don't understand with Vee, is why did we ever even recruit the kid if he was not going to be given the opportunity to play. Two things are apparent. He became frustrated with his lack of playing time toward the end of last year, and he must have felt that he would not see significant minutes this year. From his perspective it must have been frustrating, as I think there was little more he could have done on the court to show his skills. I understand, and he must have, that last year was not a year where he would see significant minutes, but based on what we saw I don't think averaging 5-10 minutes a game is out of the question. Especially given our shooting woes down the stretch, not to mention CWs absence. I think JT3 needs to develop more of a rotation and trust in the young players, if only to develop them and keep them on campus. The teams that made runs this year - save Butler - all had young players who developed greatly over the first year. We were senior laden, but I don't think that should bar the younger guys from getting run and developing experience.
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Post by guru on Apr 17, 2011 12:27:01 GMT -5
Sad to see this, and I had really hoped this wasn't true. I thought Vee deserved much more PT than he got, and unlike previous transfers, he was productive while on the court. Wish him the best wherever he ends up. Also, because of this, I'm assuming JB is staying. Double ouch. I understand that they don't play the same position and we were really hurting for size, but hypothetically speaking, do you think if JTIII could do it all over again after Chris went down he would've given Vee all of Jerelle's minutes? If it could've avoided this situation, and had he known we wouldn't have won any of those games (we weren't competitive in any of them save Cuse at home), I think he would've. Ah well, hindsight is 20/20, I guess. No need for the cheap shot at JB. And I doubt things would have changed much in your scenario. Vee hasn't seemed like a very happy camper since he first came on board. I don't like to see him go but he probably should have left after last season, when there were rumors that he was considering it. Also the new title of this thread is pretty funny. Vee himself has confirmed this transfer via his twitter feed. Not sure why this still needs to be couched as if it's some unsubstantiated rumor.
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Post by jld54 on Apr 17, 2011 13:42:54 GMT -5
Vee was a late signee who we took due to a problem with depth, due to transfers. He was being recruited only by mid-majors and Gillespie at KY. He was a long shot. He was not going to play ahead of 2 senior guards and a junior WP player of the year.
This has to be based upon the coaches seeing what goes on day in and day out in the gym. I was not in the gym every day for several months and the coaches were. i assume the know what is going on and do not have agendas against players which are carried out at the expense of the success of the team.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 17, 2011 13:52:45 GMT -5
Also the new title of this thread is pretty funny. Vee himself has confirmed this transfer via his twitter feed. Not sure why this still needs to be couched as if it's some unsubstantiated rumor. Well his twitter account doesn't say "verified". Maybe there is suspicion that it's a fake account. I'm obviously kidding but I wonder what it takes to be "verified".
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 17, 2011 13:53:31 GMT -5
Sad to see this, and I had really hoped this wasn't true. I thought Vee deserved much more PT than he got, and unlike previous transfers, he was productive while on the court. Wish him the best wherever he ends up. Also, because of this, I'm assuming JB is staying. Double ouch. I understand that they don't play the same position and we were really hurting for size, but hypothetically speaking, do you think if JTIII could do it all over again after Chris went down he would've given Vee all of Jerelle's minutes? If it could've avoided this situation, and had he known we wouldn't have won any of those games (we weren't competitive in any of them save Cuse at home), I think he would've. Ah well, hindsight is 20/20, I guess. Wait - what? Should have given a big man sub's minutes to Vee? Now that is bizarre. Maybe when Chris went down JTIII should have given his minutes to Moses? A novel approach to basketball.
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Post by b52legend on Apr 17, 2011 14:02:18 GMT -5
Vee was a late signee who we took due to a problem with depth, due to transfers. He was being recruited only by mid-majors and Gillespie at KY. He was a long shot. He was not going to play ahead of 2 senior guards and a junior WP player of the year. This has to be based upon the coaches seeing what goes on day in and day out in the gym. I was not in the gym every day for several months and the coaches were. i assume the know what is going on and do not have agendas against players which are carried out at the expense of the success of the team. I'm not suggesting that he play ahead of any of those players. I doubt Vee would suggest that. He simply wan't playing at all. Now maybe it is all due to his terrible practices, but Vee could stroke a three and seemed to be a gamer. I just don't feel like he got a fair shot to do his thing on the court. At the end of the year there were plenty of minutes and the team was begging for a spark. I wasn't in the gym, but am I second guessing JT3's judgment based on what I saw of Vee in games - yes.
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TC
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Post by TC on Apr 17, 2011 17:51:37 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it odd that the school has not had a press release about Vee leaving? What are they waiting for? Paperwork? Doesn't seem too odd - Vernon Macklin's transfer wasn't announced till April 24th, Jeremiah Rivers' transfer wasn't announced till May 7th. The only spring transfer I can find that was announced before April 17th is Omar Wattad (April 15th).
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Post by hoyatables on Apr 17, 2011 18:01:13 GMT -5
I would love to have access to whatever new-fangled technology that some of you apparently have used to go back and determine that, but for Vee being on the bench, we would have won more games this season. Seriously.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 17, 2011 19:24:05 GMT -5
Well Otto hasn't signed yet so I'm guessing that the Vee transfer isn't official yet. I imagine Georgetown will release a statement when it's official.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 17, 2011 19:31:50 GMT -5
I would love to have access to whatever new-fangled technology that some of you apparently have used to go back and determine that, but for Vee being on the bench, we would have won more games this season. Seriously. No one is saying we would have won more. But down the stretch, we couldn't have possibly lost more...literally. We lost them all. If Vee came into the game and lay down on the floor for 5 minutes, we couldn't have had worse results.
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Post by whipple on Apr 17, 2011 19:53:19 GMT -5
I think Vee was drinking the kool-aid HoyaTalk has been pouring. Can we refrain from crowning a bench player next season? I think all that "he is so awesome, he needs max playing time!" talk is worse than any transfer speculation.
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Post by chep3 on Apr 17, 2011 20:31:09 GMT -5
I think Vee was drinking the kool-aid HoyaTalk has been pouring. Can we refrain from crowning a bench player next season? I think all that "he is so awesome, he needs max playing time!" talk is worse than any transfer speculation. Only on the condition that we start differentiating between the "I think [bench player] should get 5 minutes" and "[bench player] is so awesome, he needs max playing time" arguments.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 17, 2011 21:23:40 GMT -5
I think Vee was drinking the kool-aid HoyaTalk has been pouring. Can we refrain from crowning a bench player next season? I think all that "he is so awesome, he needs max playing time!" talk is worse than any transfer speculation. Only on the condition that we start differentiating between the "I think [bench player] should get 5 minutes" and "[bench player] is so awesome, he needs max playing time" arguments. Yeah, it makes it harder to bash UConn's academic standards when it's clear that we don't have a lot of readers in our midst either.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 18, 2011 11:56:34 GMT -5
Vee was a late signee who we took due to a problem with depth, due to transfers. He was being recruited only by mid-majors and Gillespie at KY. He was a long shot. He was not going to play ahead of 2 senior guards and a junior WP player of the year. This has to be based upon the coaches seeing what goes on day in and day out in the gym. I was not in the gym every day for several months and the coaches were. i assume the know what is going on and do not have agendas against players which are carried out at the expense of the success of the team. +1. I, as do many, like Vee, and wanted to see him get more time. But I also recognize that I'm not at practice. My assessment mirrors jld's. I do think he would have been a valued reserve on next year's squad.
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Post by RDF on Apr 18, 2011 12:04:41 GMT -5
One thing to remember--some guys are "gamers" and others are All World in practices. If a guy can play in a game--play him--that is far more important. Sanford played well enough in games for majority of his career to earn steady minutes in a role of some sort. If what he did isn't deemed as production in limited minutes--hate to see how film is evaluated of others who get steady minutes.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 18, 2011 12:11:10 GMT -5
One thing to remember--some guys are "gamers" and others are All World in practices. If a guy can play in a game--play him--that is far more important. Sanford played well enough in games for majority of his career to earn steady minutes in a role of some sort. If what he did isn't deemed as production in limited minutes--hate to see how film is evaluated of others who get steady minutes. Pffft. You think the staff evaluates film
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