sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Apr 16, 2011 17:42:05 GMT -5
PR, It was an obsession and it was laughable, because in two years he wasn't a better player than the players getting minutes ahead of him. Good potential, yes. Made things happen in spurts, yes. But he never, ever, ever, gave us a better chance to win than Chris, Austin, Jason or Markel. Not even for a moment. That's why it was a laughable obsession. I'd sit after games, and read these "We may have won if Vee had played more" posts, and absolutely shake my head. It was silly. I agree with you Daytona, I thought it was pretty clear why Vee wasn't getting any more run when he did get extended minutes. He'd be sloppy with the ball, looked a bit lost, and didn't have good fundamentals defensively either. I think III did a good job putting him in positions where he could succeed which I think distorted the fan's sense of his capabilities and contributed to spurt-ability. Had he had a greater role we would have seen another trigger happy(not a bad thing necessarily) shooting guard with a shaky handle and not the greatest passing sense. He wasn't some savior some liked to make him after every loss. A solid player that was stuck behind a bunch of better guards. I really liked Vee, in the role he was in, however. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, he needed to move on from that role and I wish him all the best.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 16, 2011 18:46:10 GMT -5
Blue,
I didn't contradict myself at all. I'm sorry Vee left because he could've been a very good role player for us. But for people to suggest he should've gotten more time THIS YEAR?....sorry, I didn't see it.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 16, 2011 18:47:26 GMT -5
Strummer,
If I have to go down with Austin shooting 0 for the century, that's how I go down. He was clearly our best scorer this season. You always go down with the bullets in the gun that got you there.
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Apr 16, 2011 18:53:14 GMT -5
Yeah, those games down the stretch when Austin was shooting 0-for-the-century, we had no use for a guy who could knock down a three. What were we thinking? is this a veiled suggestion that jt3 should have benched austin for vee down the stretch? unbelievable.
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gujake
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Post by gujake on Apr 16, 2011 18:59:09 GMT -5
Sleepy, when did he get extended minutes and play so poorly? The only time he played more than 15 mins this year was against Tulane (19) and he played extremely well, scoring 10 points.
He played 3 minutes or less in half of our games.
I just don't see how it was so obvious that he didn't deserve more time. Not saying he DID deserve more time, but I just don't see how people can say he obviously didn't deserve more time based on his game play.
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Post by chep3 on Apr 16, 2011 19:03:16 GMT -5
I don't take strummer to mean that at all. I think what he means is that when a guy doesn't have it in a given game, that maybe there are five minutes to be doled out to someone else. Look, I was all for Jason starting and getting the bulk of the minutes at the 2 last year. But there were games where he didn't have it. And instead of continuing to play him 30-35 minutes, I wished that 5 of those minutes could go to Vee or Hollis (with Austin shifting to the 2).
I like the fact that III is stubborn with the roster in the macro sense. I don't think guys should be benched or the lineup shuffled too much over the course of the season, which is why I wouldn't have supported Jason being moved to the bench. He obviously could give us more than Markel or Vee last year. But I think III could have been less stubborn with the roster in the micro sense. Form is a fickle thing, and when a guy doesn't have it for a night, there are five minutes or so that could be given to someone else. Sometimes refocusing a player on the bench can get him to play better when he comes back out. And sometimes the inferior player can be better than the superior player on a given night.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Apr 16, 2011 19:03:23 GMT -5
You have to wonder if this is going to be JT3's fate. When he had a great 2 years recruiting guards(Freeman.Wreightand Clark) he gets transfers in frontcourt in Big Ticket and loss of recruits Riley, Smith and Barnes. The year he recruits a great frontcourt class, he has his backup point guard ttransfer. Just does not seem as if he can have a surplus at frontcourt and backcourt at the same time. As much as I liked Vee, the reality is that in order for JT3 to get Porter this year a schollie had to open up. If the trade was a backup point guard for a future posible 1st team BE player, then You have to make that trade and I too wish Vee the very best whereever he lands.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Apr 16, 2011 19:10:56 GMT -5
Bummer. I liked Vee; he had high eFG and FT shooting, and could have been a big part of a positive season next year. I wish him well in whatever he ends up doing.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Apr 16, 2011 19:32:33 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks Vee's absence wont impact the program negatively is crazy.
Vee would have stayed if he was given more opportunity. The idea that JC can play 35 mpg while a very serviceable backup plays 3 mins, is asinine. Then Chris goes down and Vee still doesnt get minutes. If that is how the staff is going to manage time, there will be a constant flow of guys leaving.
Moses better see time this year. As bad as Julian and Henry were down the stretch, that is another head scratcher because he couldnt have been much worse.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 16, 2011 20:09:50 GMT -5
Maybe Jabril can back-up the point and Aaron Bowen can back-up at shooting guard
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 16, 2011 20:17:24 GMT -5
I don't take strummer to mean that at all. I think what he means is that when a guy doesn't have it in a given game, that maybe there are five minutes to be doled out to someone else. Look, I was all for Jason starting and getting the bulk of the minutes at the 2 last year. But there were games where he didn't have it. And instead of continuing to play him 30-35 minutes, I wished that 5 of those minutes could go to Vee or Hollis (with Austin shifting to the 2). Yep, that's exactly what I meant. I'm not saying Vee should have started or gotten a ton of minutes. But when we're down 8, the game is slipping away, and no one on the floor looks like he can hit a shot, what harm could it do to see if we can get a spark from someone like Vee? A three, a steal, and a layup, and the whole game changes. How many games did we watch just slip away one bad possession at a time? A high-percentage shooter with fresh legs could have done some good for 5-7 minutes a game.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 16, 2011 20:35:10 GMT -5
Man, I hope this report is false but fear it is true. Bad, bad news. I was really hoping someone was going to redshirt, because I was really hoping we would not have any transfers.
Ouch.
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 16, 2011 20:53:34 GMT -5
darn i liked vee alot thought he was solid a coaches son with good patience we coulda used next year but GOOD LUCK ALWAYS A HOYA WILL MISS YOU yup also always seemed like a very spiritual young man and good person go vee go hoyas
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 16, 2011 21:13:32 GMT -5
It would be so nice to have a season without any transfers.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 16, 2011 21:15:14 GMT -5
It would be so nice to have a season without any transfers. you mean like last off season? nikita left during the year
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Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 16, 2011 21:29:47 GMT -5
this is pretty ridiculous that HoyaTalk needs to couch vee's obvious transfer in uncertain terms as a foxsports report. the kid CONFIRMED IT over twitter.
Mods -- try to keep at least one foot in reality.
FoxSports.com is where the report originated. See page 1 of this thread, reply #1--Admin
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 16, 2011 22:02:49 GMT -5
It would be so nice to have a season without any transfers. you mean like last off season? nikita left during the year Still counts. I hate to see any transfers, which should be the exception rather than the rule.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Apr 16, 2011 23:25:56 GMT -5
With our hope of higher intensity defense next year this is a real loss,
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 17, 2011 1:46:57 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Goodman's list includes these names: Jonathan Blount, 6-0, G, RS Fr., Centenary Quin Cooper, 6-3, SG, Fr., Centenary Leo Davis, 6-0, G, Soph., Centenary Aaron Harwell, 5-10, PG, Fr., Centenary Logan Lowery, 6-6, SG, Fr., Centenary Jeron Trotman, 6-4, PF, Soph., Centenary Travis Sims, 6-5, SG, Soph., Centenary The Gents finished 1-29 last season and its six remaining players combined for just 22 ppg last season. Another five left last season and the school's APR is so low it has been outright banned from post-season competition for the last two years. The school announced it is dropping out of Division I altogether. Robert Parish, the Chief, finished from Cetenary.
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Post by RDF on Apr 17, 2011 2:24:40 GMT -5
Blue, I didn't contradict myself at all. I'm sorry Vee left because he could've been a very good role player for us. But for people to suggest he should've gotten more time THIS YEAR?....sorry, I didn't see it. Sanford should've gotten more consistent playing time this past year. I wouldn't stick around either if I were him--he did what was asked--and hung in there--and now it's time for him to make sure he gets to enjoy rest of his career. Good for him and good luck to him. Maybe Jason Clark should've gotten more time Daytona--he was just wonderful.
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