JT III

[BeantownHoya]

Let me be very clear - I have never said a negative word about JT III on this board. In the privacy of my basement I have ranted, but not here.

I guess my question is...How much time does a Final Four in 2007 buy him?

08 - 2nd Round Exit
09 - NIT 1st Round
10 - 1st Round Exit
11 - 1st Round Exit

Possibly these results would sit a little better with me if I felt we were moving in the right direction but I would assume this is the projected starting 5 for next year;

Sims
Lubick
Thompson
Clark
Starks

I mean is anyone confident going into next year at this point? What if next year is a 1st round exit or worst another NIT visit? At what point does JT III start to get questioned to the point of being this teams head coach?

I mean I might even feel a little better if I felt the effort was there, if we were at least playing "smart" basketball, that our players were improving, in game adjustments were being made...etc - but none of that is happening.

At some point isn't the coach responsible? I mean the last 3 years have been simply embarrassing endings.

Yes I am posting this with 10 minutes left and yes I will personally ban myself if they come back and win but the only word I can think of is disheartening. I just can't believe this is where this program is after a Final Four run 4 years ago.

[daytonahoya31]

As tough as this game is to take, we're going to NCAA tournaments, and we're competing. Plus, our class next season I think is very good.

To question his job status right now still qualifies as silly..the man can coach and he can run a program

[bronxhoya87]

Joey Meyer part 2? Yikes

[rammajamma]

Dayton .. disagree. To NOT question his job status given the performance the last 4 years qualifies as silly. If I had 4 consecutive performances like JTIII has in my job, I would be on the street.

I have supported JTIII, verbally and financially via the HoyaHoop Club, since he got here. That said, he is as accountable as anyone else for the series of embarassing NCAA performances and recruiting gaffes.

He should be evaluated, as everyone associated with the program should be as well.

[BeantownHoya]

I guess we have a different understanding of competing.

[hoya39]

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[RDF]

When you play an offense that is focused on "pattern"--you deny instinct from taking over. If you are going to play this way--you MUST be protective of the basketball and be a strong defensive team. When you see IGNORANT mistakes being REPEATEDLY made--either schematically or from the same people--and nothing changes--there is 1 person who deserves the blame--and that is the Head Coach.

III's got to re-shape this program and it doesn't get better by crying about it. He needs to take a lot of heat and he needs to step up and take the blame. Players only play how they are allowed to play. Not only is this is a careless, unathletic team but they are not well coached right now.

[bronxhoya87]

If we fire him we might as well drop the program too

[BeantownHoya]

I am not pleading for his dismissal by any means but I think its fair to question if he is the right coach for this team and if he has this team moving in the right direction.

[butler]

Absolutely reasonable to question III. He may or may not be the problem, but it's certainly fair to question him. This is a truly embarrassing effort. Remember we were blown out by Ohio, and blown out again tonight. Blown the f___ out. I find myself left hoping its Freeman and Wright, because that means things should improve next year, but I'm not optimistic.

[RDF]

He's proven he has no concept of making an adjustment to fit his personnel--so that is a very bad omen moving forward--but at least he's trying to recruit to his system now-which I still don't understand why he went away from it?

Some groups just don't fit--and small ball without protecting the ball is going to result in some ass kickings. Throw in fact these small guys are slow, unathletic, and can't defend--it's a mismatch made in basketball hell.

[yunghoya]

i think he should deleted change the offense. princeton offense is a slow offense, and when you get down a lot of points it's not bringing you back. especially when teams are playing you very tight and the offense is made up of very tight lane pass's...= a lot turnovers.. which happens every year for us, defensively even don't get me started.

[Dhall]

I don't think it's fair to judge him on NCAA success or failure. Dont overappreciate the final four or crucify for Ohio and VCU and Davidson. His teams have finished 11th, 7th and 8th in the league in last three years. Before that they were champs. The verdict is still out.

Next year finishing below 8th then you start making a case to fire him, but he still gets another year after that. Who would replace him? I don't want an assistant coach and the 30-somethings are a major risk. If he were to leave, I'd try and recruit Larranagga from George Mason I suppose.

[Big O]

Mar 18, 2011 22:41:48 GMT -5 daytonahoya31 said:

As tough as this game is to take, we're going to NCAA tournaments, and we're competing. Plus, our class next season I think is very good.

To question his job status right now still qualifies as silly..the man can coach and he can run a program

A man that can coach gets past the first round on a consistent basis.

[calhoya]

He is a system coach. When the system breaks down both coach and players are lost. Sad ending again for a team with talent.

[RDF]

Why will anything change--the guy doesn't even have Trainer carry a friggin mirror when the Hoyas lose their contact lenses--which they lead country in.

I don't want to hear anything about "We'll get them next year" BULL****. His speech last year proved to be FAKE TOUGH GUY talk and these guys got punked tonight--AGAIN

[vamosalaplaya]

My favorite was Wake Forest, firing a coach because they could only make the NCAAs every year. They are so bad now they may never come back. Indiana sort of did it with Davis as well. That worked out just great. Let's not forget Seton Hall dumping Louis Orr the year after they made the NCAAs. I guess because they could do better. I could go on and on. It's the old "Bored by only make the NCAA thing.'

This performance is awful. But save the fire the coach crap. There are 50+ BCS programs, from Rutgers and Penn State to Oregon State to Arkansas to South Carolina and on and on who would trade places with Georgetown's performance in a heartbeat.

What a horrible game. But fans calling for the coach to be reviewed ought to just become fans of Ohio State, Texas, Florida, Kentucky, UCLA, UNC, and the one or two other programs that will fire their coach if they don't make the final four every third year and leave the board.

[FHillsNYHoya]

I seriously have never seen one team lose a contact in a game - we lose about a dozen a season.


It is entirely fair to question the coach now - the team is measured on results. No one was happy with Joe Lang a few years ago. But since the Final Four, we have lost to Davidson, Ohio, and VCU in our last three tournament games - frankly it is not acceptable.

I have only been listening to this game for the last eight minutes of game time - trying to get out all of my frustration now so I can sleep better and not return to the board for a month or so.

Let's hope Moses and the frosh cavalry will fix things, because our "chemistry" didn't seem to help us this season.

[superan]

Mar 18, 2011 22:50:23 GMT -5 bronxhoya87 said:

If we fire him we might as well drop the program too

Truth. People asking for JT3's head don't understand the business of college basketball. Yes. Business.

[adlai]

Mar 18, 2011 22:39:09 GMT -5 BeantownHoya said:

Let me be very clear - I have never said a negative word about JT III on this board. In the privacy of my basement I have ranted, but not here.

I guess my question is...How much time does a Final Four in 2007 buy him?

08 - 2nd Round Exit
09 - NIT 1st Round
10 - 1st Round Exit
11 - 1st Round Exit

Possibly these results would sit a little better with me if I felt we were moving in the right direction but I would assume this is the projected starting 5 for next year;

Sims
Lubick
Thompson
Clark
Starks

I mean is anyone confident going into next year at this point? What if next year is a 1st round exit or worst another NIT visit? At what point does JT III start to get questioned to the point of being this teams head coach?

I mean I might even feel a little better if I felt the effort was there, if we were at least playing "smart" basketball, that our players were improving, in game adjustments were being made...etc - but none of that is happening.

At some point isn't the coach responsible? I mean the last 3 years have been simply embarrassing endings.

Yes I am posting this with 10 minutes left and yes I will personally ban myself if they come back and win but the only word I can think of is disheartening. I just can't believe this is where this program is after a Final Four run 4 years ago.

I assume you think Roy Williams should have been out of basketball for his tourney failings at Kansas throughout the 1990s. Clearly, we should fire a coach that keeps us consistently in the top 25 based on three games. That makes a ton of sense. We were one week away from being one of only five teams ranked in each poll for the last five years.

I for one am content to recognize that as much fun as the NCAA it is also not the best format for evaluating the quality of a team. As soon as we finish in the bottom half of the BE for three straight years you might have a point.