Recruits (In Hindsight)

[jester]

Someone claimed that Roscoe Smith may not have been that big a loss to us when he chose UCONN.

Who else was not as big a loss in the past several yrs? DaShonte Riley? Woolridge? Judge? (or is their underperformance just a product of system/matter of time)

and who else do you wish we had ended up with where we were close? I'll throw Kris Joseph out there. Or Braswell/Singleton. Someone like Tyrone may make the list, but we will have to see...

bigger misses may be someone like Vernon (took five yrs to party fulfill hype as McDonalds player - first one under JTIII) or Causey in general.

[SFHoya99]

Gus Gilchrist, i think. Yes, I know he's a bit crazy (and Im saying this not knowing the extent or type of baggage), but he was ready to rebound and play PF from Day 1 in the years when we really could have used a PF (last two years).

Roscoe didnt look good last night, but he's looked better in other games. Part of the problem was Calhoun moving him to the three. He was a nice energt athlete at the four. He adds to their inability to score at the 3.

[RDF]

Too early to say who is/isn't a loss--and the thing you always have to keep in mind--FIT. Kids often don't think enough how they'll fit into a program--and what a guy does somewhere else/here doesn't reflect how they would perform at other school--positively or negatively.

Vernon Macklin greatly benefitted from Georgetown career--his game is exact same as it was when he left Georgetown--but it wasn't that good upon entering Georgetown. The only people worried about him leaving for NBA were people who never saw him play in HS/AAU circuit.

Jeremiah Rivers---he's now a defensive specialist/role player on a poor Indiana team--so he is same player--in lesser program right now. He's not even getting major run there now--as Verdell Jones, Mo Creek, and Victor Olidapo are taking his minutes--along with Jordan Hulls.

Was it really that much of a difference for either guy to leave then it would've been if they stayed? Let you decide for yourself-but as you can see--skill wise it''s not really changed the player for better, so why leave?

I'd argue Roscoe Smith would develop better perimeter skills/skill set at Georgetown--but that's my own take. UConn has done well with player development in past--so it's not like he chose some clown program. His right to do so--if he's a big Rudy Gay fan--he chose his idol's program. Fine by me.

What is more frustrating--good prospects choosing schools that dont' develop skill sets--(I'm Frank Martin and I approve this message but with a scowl/tough guy stare). Wally Judge has not improved at all since HS--except his bench press and ability to get yanked from games or punished due to some immeasurable stat of "toughness". Martin is what Bob Huggins was in a down year at Cincinnati--reliant on 1/2 guys to score and everyone else (often with sketchy/nomadic background) is a role player who doesn't realize they didn't do anything to improve until their career is over. I know Jacob Pullen gets hyped--but he's a lousy NBA prospect---and hasn't changed his game since HS--he's a streaky shooter/scorer and always has been--with no ball handling/passing skills and inability to lead a team.

Just my two cents.

[DFW HOYA]

If the World Wide Web was around 20 years ago, one could only imagine the posts about the run of recruits Georgetown missed on in that era, including Kenny Anderson, Dennis Scott, Grant Hill and Rasheed Wallace.

I think the current staff does a very good job on focusing on recruits that fit the system, can do the homework, and are not to get in trouble once they get to college. One need only look at the sheer amount of talent lost or sidelined at Memphis this season by comparison.

[idhoya]

All of which is why Ochefu and Anderson would be perfect. Good students, kids and top 15 talents. With Bolden in the fold already, the Hoyas suddenly become a matchup nightmare of multi-skilled players.

Until Henry's emergence I would've called him a "wasted" schollie from a hoops standpoint.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

To ID's point, I think expectations are too great to start with on players when starting out in a program. It is not surprising that guys (outside of top talent) don't get a lot of time until they are juniors.

That is the way things used to be. Throw in a couple marquee McD guys (Wright & Freeman) and you have a good team. I think this is the ideal model for recruiting. Ideally you want to rely on your third and fourth year guys with your young players providing support. I think that is why to date we are having a good year.

Hopefully there will be no more "senior appreciation" games without any seniors a la last year.

[idhoya]

Bring in Ochefu and Anderson and theres your McDAA's for 2012.

[hoyainspirit]

I don't know the kids nearly as well as many on this board do. But based on what has been posted here, Anderson and Ochefu would appear to be two great gets.

[Dhall]

Freeman, Clark and Monroe were players recruited by JTIII who were just excellent from day one on campus. Ideally, we'd get 3 of those players every year, but realistically that is not going to happen. A nice goal would be to get the DC Metro player of the year every year, one other top 20 kid, and fill in with best available. When we go a year without any guys that project to come in and start and contribute big time immediately I get nervous.

I have no regrets on Macklin. He would have made no difference the past two years (an NIT team would not have made the NCAAs and a #3 NCAA seed, BE tourney runner-up couldn't have had a much better year ... until Ohio). And this year we are better with Vaughn and Sims having had more of a chance to develop in the absence of Macklin than if he had been around.

[ivotedforkodos]

Dec 29, 2010 16:21:07 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

It is not surprising that guys (outside of top talent) don't get a lot of time until they are juniors.

That is the way things used to be. Throw in a couple marquee McD guys (Wright & Freeman) and you have a good team. I think this is the ideal model for recruiting. Ideally you want to rely on your third and fourth year guys with your young players providing support. I think that is why to date we are having a good year.

I completely agree with this, esp as to why we are having a good year this year.

Macklin, Spann, Egerton, Wattad, Rivers etc. were all players I think we could afford to lose individually, but III clearly runs a system that needs some upperclassmen in it. I don't know if the bigger upperclassmen presence this year is a result of changes he made to his recruiting or not, but it doesn't really matter who you recruit if you can't keep them on your team.

[idhoya]

Guys like Spann and Wattad should've never been on the team. They weren't high major cats. I think the staff, since it has changed, has learned that you have to be on alot of kids really early. Look at 2013, GU is on the list of 8 of the top 11 kids in the country acc to the rankings.

[newporthoya]

In hindsight I really regret not signing Braswell. Not because he is so great but because he would have complimented Monroe better than Henry or Julian. I think he would have been the defensive and rebounding force we needed last year................

[idhoya]

He's not a grinder newport, but I agree he'd been a nice compliment to G-Money. He also would've prevented the Hoyas from having to bring in a late signee like Beenie or even Moses from this class.