EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 2, 2010 15:48:03 GMT -5
Yawn.
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Post by thebin on Dec 2, 2010 15:54:29 GMT -5
Yawn huh? Right back at ya.... Is there anything more tiredsome, more hackneyed or more tellingly defensive than American sports fans who go out of their way to show they don't think about soccer? I know you think you have some brilliant point to make, but you just make yourself look hopelessly out of touch. You don't have to like soccer my friend, but you should know how much of a lame ass you make yourself look when you actually make an effort to show that you don't care about it, thus proving that you are somehow threatened by it.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 2, 2010 16:31:29 GMT -5
The only good thing about this is that it spares of 12 years of aggravation that no games were going to be held in Chicago. Small consolation, I guess.
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Post by thebin on Dec 2, 2010 16:59:09 GMT -5
Chicago had already been eliminated as a potential host city within the USA bid a while ago, which I found both strange and disapointing at the time. Chicago is the kind of American city I'd like the world to see (as opposed to say sprawling and boring Houston) and it has one of the few architectually interesting stadiums in the country, in that great location on the lake.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 17:09:26 GMT -5
As someone who's been to Doha twice in the past year, I say yuck. It was hotter than hell there in March. I can't even talk about June (the time of year when this year's WC was held). Thinking about the June heat gives me nightmares.
They've got so much damn money and space in the desert, they'll just build whatever they need (public transit, hotels, obviously the stadiums), and the cost will basically be a drop in the bucket for them over the next 11-12 years. And they really plan to air-condition outdoor stadiums and have them be carbon-neutral. It's crazy.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 2, 2010 17:16:16 GMT -5
Chicago had already been eliminated as a potential host city within the USA bid a while ago, which I found both strange and disapointing at the time. Chicago is the kind of American city I'd like the world to see (as opposed to say sprawling and boring Houston) and it has one of the few architectually interesting stadiums in the country, in that great location on the lake. Yeah, I know and I was not looking forward to 12 years of being Editeded that games were going to be held in Indy or Nashville instead of here. The problem is that Soldier Field was deemed an unsuitable venue due to its size - both seating capacity and the field. I guess 60,000 would be the smallest venue and the field was barely big enough for an international pitch. I'm surprised that all the other stuff Chicago brings to the table - big city, central location, tons of hotel rooms, people like the game here, two international airports, etc - weren't enough to overcome Soldier Field.
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Post by thebin on Dec 2, 2010 17:39:22 GMT -5
I thought I read that the Chicago mayor's office just really wouldn't make any committment to the USA WC bid committe and that's why they were left off the final presentation.....I know the size was used as an excuse as to why there were hurdles for Chicago to land a place, but from what I recall reading it was more that the city fathers were not very interested in overcoming the hurdles- this might have been while still stinging from losing the Olympics. While Soldier field would be small by American World Cup or NFL standards, we are the only country in the world that can boast 30-40 bigger new(ish) stadiums than that. There are always 35-45K seat stadiums during the world cup- often half full ones. I think the field was going to be tight- but like I said...that is a fixable problem, I just think someone failed to care enough to promise to fix it. One of the strengths of the USA bid was always unparrelled sporting infrastructure: we have 60K seat plus stadia that don't make our top 25 cut that other nations would have in their national top 3.
Do you realize that there isn't a single adequate stadium in Sao Paulo for the Brazil World Cup at this time and that there might not be in 2014? We are talking about the the largest city in the Southern Hemisphere, the most populous city in soccer's superpower.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 2, 2010 20:04:22 GMT -5
I thought I read that the Chicago mayor's office just really wouldn't make any committment to the USA WC bid committe and that's why they were left off the final presentation.....I know the size was used as an excuse as to why there were hurdles for Chicago to land a place, but from what I recall reading it was more that the city fathers were not very interested in overcoming the hurdles- this might have been while still stinging from losing the Olympics. While Soldier field would be small by American World Cup or NFL standards, we are the only country in the world that can boast 30-40 bigger new(ish) stadiums than that. There are always 35-45K seat stadiums during the world cup- often half full ones. I think the field was going to be tight- but like I said...that is a fixable problem, I just think someone failed to care enough to promise to fix it. One of the strengths of the USA bid was always unparrelled sporting infrastructure: we have 60K seat plus stadia that don't make our top 25 cut that other nations would have in their national top 3. Do you realize that there isn't a single adequate stadium in Sao Paulo for the Brazil World Cup at this time and that there might not be in 2014? We are talking about the the largest city in the Southern Hemisphere, the most populous city in soccer's superpower. That could be it. I do know that the decision to drop Chicago came shortly after the Olympic bid failed. It's hard to imagine that the hurdles they needed to clear were very high since everything they need is already here. Unless, of course, Soldier Field really was inadequate in which case I can totally see the City declining to commit to any improvements.
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Post by thebin on Dec 3, 2010 8:57:25 GMT -5
Wait....when complete, qatar's stadia will be able to hold nearly half the country's population.
One more... Twice as many people attended 1994 usa wc games as people who live in qatar now.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 3, 2010 10:57:24 GMT -5
I thought I read that the Chicago mayor's office just really wouldn't make any committment to the USA WC bid committe and that's why they were left off the final presentation.....I know the size was used as an excuse as to why there were hurdles for Chicago to land a place, but from what I recall reading it was more that the city fathers were not very interested in overcoming the hurdles- this might have been while still stinging from losing the Olympics. While Soldier field would be small by American World Cup or NFL standards, we are the only country in the world that can boast 30-40 bigger new(ish) stadiums than that. There are always 35-45K seat stadiums during the world cup- often half full ones. I think the field was going to be tight- but like I said...that is a fixable problem, I just think someone failed to care enough to promise to fix it. One of the strengths of the USA bid was always unparrelled sporting infrastructure: we have 60K seat plus stadia that don't make our top 25 cut that other nations would have in their national top 3. Do you realize that there isn't a single adequate stadium in Sao Paulo for the Brazil World Cup at this time and that there might not be in 2014? We are talking about the the largest city in the Southern Hemisphere, the most populous city in soccer's superpower. That could be it. I do know that the decision to drop Chicago came shortly after the Olympic bid failed. It's hard to imagine that the hurdles they needed to clear were very high since everything they need is already here. Unless, of course, Soldier Field really was inadequate in which case I can totally see the City declining to commit to any improvements. I don't know Soldier Field being too small, unless it was about capacity, since they just had a friendly between the U.S. & Poland here this fall that seemed to go off w/o a hitch.
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Post by Boz on Dec 3, 2010 10:59:40 GMT -5
Is Qatar bigger than Soldier Field??
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2010 11:17:58 GMT -5
I'm kind of shocked that Chicago would have been left out. FIFA and Chicago seem to be cut from the same cloth, integrity wise.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 3, 2010 11:28:02 GMT -5
That could be it. I do know that the decision to drop Chicago came shortly after the Olympic bid failed. It's hard to imagine that the hurdles they needed to clear were very high since everything they need is already here. Unless, of course, Soldier Field really was inadequate in which case I can totally see the City declining to commit to any improvements. I don't know Soldier Field being too small, unless it was about capacity, since they just had a friendly between the U.S. & Poland here this fall that seemed to go off w/o a hitch. The field fits but just barely. I guess FIFA would prefer more room down there for non-game related things.
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Post by vcjack on Dec 3, 2010 12:21:40 GMT -5
Is Qatar bigger than Soldier Field?? ;D Maybe but the safest place from Qatar's man made air-conditioning tornadoes would be the soldier field endzones, there are never any touchdowns there! /time traveling to late 90's and early 2000's when that joke was popular
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Post by hifigator on Dec 3, 2010 17:05:27 GMT -5
Some of the things that I have heard on the radio include that Qatar doesn't even have a single facility remotely capable of hosting a World Cup Soccer Match, but that they promise to build 4 state of the art venues by 2022. Also, since the average temperature during this time of year is 104, all venues will be fully air conditioned. Now what concessions they are planning on making about having hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world descend on 104 degree Qatar and not let them drink beer, I don't know.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Dec 3, 2010 18:00:44 GMT -5
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 3, 2010 18:44:13 GMT -5
I don't know Soldier Field being too small, unless it was about capacity, since they just had a friendly between the U.S. & Poland here this fall that seemed to go off w/o a hitch. And a World Cup qualifier last cycle (USA vs. Honduras), and the Final of the 2007 Gold Cup. Soldier Field's capacity is actually bigger than all but three of the venues from WC2010 and somewhere in the middle of capacity of the planned venues for WC2014. I seem to recall something along what thebin describes went down...Chicago just wasn't as supportive as many of the other cities.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 3, 2010 23:02:14 GMT -5
Someone posted this video on my facebook wall as a reaction to the Russia decision. Perfect:
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 3, 2010 23:07:25 GMT -5
Maybe but the safest place from Qatar's man made air-conditioning tornadoes would be the soldier field endzones, there are never any touchdowns there! /time traveling to late 90's and early 2000's when that joke was popular For the record, I must acknowledge my heartfelt appreciation for this excellent deployment of an awful joke.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 3, 2010 23:22:50 GMT -5
Hold on...I saw somewhere that Rio currently doesn't have a single World Cup worthy stadium? How are they planning on doing this?
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