hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Nov 30, 2010 12:04:40 GMT -5
Didn't see this posted elsewhere; if I missed it, move my complaints there. Anyway, some contributor to Yahoo (already, this seems sort of irrelevant) takes his stab at the top-5 players in Georgetown history. He gets some of the names right, but his failure at No. 1 is pretty egregious. Guy also doesn't seem to quite grasp the arc of the program's history (I guess three top-3 seeds in four years has him wishing it was 1998 again). sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-7210518 |
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Nov 30, 2010 12:11:13 GMT -5
I think you have to go Green over Mutombo.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 30, 2010 12:12:06 GMT -5
Is this part of Yahoo! kind of like Bleacher Report where you can just write anything you want?
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 30, 2010 12:17:24 GMT -5
Iverson at #1 is a joke. I'm not sure Iverson would make my top 5, he accomplished very little with a loaded team.
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Post by stafford72 on Nov 30, 2010 12:23:12 GMT -5
Williams, Mourning, Iverson, Floyd, and Ewing in reverse order.
Then -- Duren, Green, Shelton, Mutombo, and Seeetney -- also in reverse order.
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Post by longtimesaxa on Nov 30, 2010 12:40:47 GMT -5
Ewing
Mourning
Floyd
Williams
Iverson/Green (pick one)
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 30, 2010 13:01:54 GMT -5
I think you have to go Green over Mutombo. And Reggie Williams goes over Green. Sweetney possibly goes before Green as well. As for the comment that Iverson played on a loaded Hoya team....that was a team of misfits. Only Jerome and Page's games meshed with AI and Iverson only got a chance to play with Page for one season. |
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joey0403p
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Post by joey0403p on Nov 30, 2010 13:08:56 GMT -5
This is tough, but a fun debate.
Ewing - he has to be number 1 in any list. anyone else, sorry would be insane.
Floyd - tough call between him and zo - but i'll go sleepy for his deadly mid range jumpers
Zo - again toss up between 2nd and 3rd in my opinion
Green - I'm young (28) and that certainly has something to do with it. But he was the leader on our only other final 4 group
Iverson - I don't know enough about reggie. but i do know AI brough a lot of hype back to the program and for the most part backed it up. biggest dissappointment for me was not that he left early but that he let ray allen win that BE championship game.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Nov 30, 2010 13:25:22 GMT -5
iverson and anybody else who leaves early is off the list:
Ewing
Sleepy
Mourning
Reggie
Deke
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joey0403p
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Post by joey0403p on Nov 30, 2010 13:31:56 GMT -5
how can you leave green off the list when he was the leader on a final 4 team?
i know he left early...but still.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Nov 30, 2010 13:54:27 GMT -5
it's my list, i can do whatever i want:) plus, I think my guys were better than Green
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 30, 2010 14:15:13 GMT -5
There's five that are still untouchable and they all come from JT Jr's era:
Floyd
Ewing
Williams
Mourning
Iverson
Some guys are saying that they are too young to know what some of the players did so they end up choosing guys closer to their time of watching GU hoops instead. Well, Floyd is before my time but I look up what he has done and I put two and two together. As a kid I wasn't watching the Hoyas during Ewing and Reggie Williams' days either but again you do enough research and hear enough comments to make an educated decision. Who am I kidding? Ewing is a no-brainer at #1.
Those three may be the TOP THREE, with only AI having a shot at kicking one of them out.
Mourning never made a Final Four but if you think that means Green, Hibbert, etc should be ranked ahead of him then you're nuts IMO.
AI never went to a Final Four, never won a Big East regular season championship, never won a Big East Tournament. But the kid was only at GU for two years and considering he was arguably the most talented player GU ever had, had the highest scoring average and highest steals average BY FAR of anyone in GU history, and the fact that he single-handedly made Georgetown relevant again to the media and the masses causes me to put him in the top five...despite what the AI bashers might think.
Mutombo (God love him) does not deserve to be in the top five. Despite all of his accomplishments he may not even deserve to be in the top ten in terms of his Gtown career. Sweetney, Green, Duren, Hibbert and Charles Smith would go ahead of him. Possibly Jim Barry, Wingate, Derrick Jackson and Tillman would as well. Of course when it comes to NBA careers Mutombo is top five.
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Post by Boz on Nov 30, 2010 14:30:04 GMT -5
I think the top 4 are clearly locks: Ewing, Sleepy, Reggie and Alonzo (probably in that order, but you could switch a couple around without ruffling too many feathers). After that, IMO, it's debatable who gets the fifth slot. Me? I'd probably go with Jonathan "Fix It" Wallace.  |
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Nov 30, 2010 14:46:26 GMT -5
If it is just G'Town history (omitting NBA accomplishments) it goes
Ewing
Floyd
Willaims
Mourning
Iverson- He may not have accomplished as much as others but, G'town was about to flatline until he hit campus. He name resonates (sp) to our program as the Fab Five to Michigan
Green & Duren are my next two followed by Smith.
My list is based on team acheivements and impact to the program.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 30, 2010 14:54:00 GMT -5
Williams, Mourning, Iverson, Floyd, and Ewing in reverse order. Then -- Duren, Green, Shelton, Mutombo, and Seeetney -- also in reverse order. Any list without Reggie in it is an absolute joke. People simply just don't remember how dominating he was. Love Jeff, but Reggie was a far better college player than Jeff ever was. Dikembe defintely gets bumped in my mind. He was a better pro then he was a college player. With regard to the second 5, Freeman deserves some consideration. We'll definitely know more after the year. Also, I'd take Charles Smith ahead of Dikembe as well. |
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Post by hoyasexy on Nov 30, 2010 15:44:19 GMT -5
Will ignore any list that doesn't have Ewing at the top and Sleepy and Reggie as 2a and 2b. The last two may be debatable, but those three aren't.
Say, shouldn't somebody compile a top 100 list so that we can debate it all? Maybe even put together a website on Georgetown history. Follow it up with a book. Wouldn't that be great? If only . . .
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Nov 30, 2010 15:51:01 GMT -5
top two in my opinion are ewing and mourning.
I rather have Mourning than Iverson. Iverson had more talent around him and accomplished less. After Mutumbo graduated , Mourning had average players at best and willed his team to win. I have never seen any player with more heart and determination in my life.
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Nov 30, 2010 15:58:29 GMT -5
top two in my opinion are ewing and mourning. I rather have Mourning than Iverson. Iverson had more talent around him and accomplished less. After Mutumbo graduated , Mourning had average players at best and willed his team to win. I have never seen any player with more heart and determination in my life. To be fair to Iverson. In 92' Mourning's team played in weak Big East year unlike Iverson 96' team the Big East was loaded with UConn, Villanova & Cuse. A better comparison would be Williams in 87'. He willed that team to a Big East title and the Elite Eight in a strong Big East. |
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 30, 2010 16:26:55 GMT -5
There's five that are still untouchable and they all come from JT Jr's era:
Floyd
Ewing
Williams
Mourning
Iverson I completely endorse MCI's Top 5. Stafford72 and Longtimesaxa had the same five, as did HoyaChris from his well-researched list posted a few years ago. Some could argue the rank within the Top 5, but not who should be included in that group. That said, we are now in a second golden era of Hoya Hoops... best time since the '80s. Freeman, Wright, Clark, Thompson and more young up and comers have a chance to break into Top-10 or Top-15 best Hoyas. But so far, I have yet to see anyone who could approach the extraordinary levels of the Top 5. Jeff, Jon, Greg, there have been lots of really good Hoyas in the JT3 era. And the team has done really well overall. We should take up this discussion again at the end of this season. |
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 30, 2010 16:30:09 GMT -5
There's five that are still untouchable and they all come from JT Jr's era:
Floyd
Ewing
Williams
Mourning
Iverson I completely endorse MCI's Top 5. Stafford72 and Longtimesaxa had the same five, as did HoyaChris from his well-researched list posted a few years ago. Some could argue the rank within the Top 5, but not who should be included in that group. That said, we are now in a second golden era of Hoya Hoops... best time since the '80s. Freeman, Wright, Clark, Thompson and more young up and comers have a chance to break into Top-10 or Top-15 best Hoyas. But so far, I have yet to see anyone who could approach the extraordinary levels of the Top 5. Jeff, Jon, Greg, there have been lots of really good Hoyas in the JT3 era. And the team has done really well overall. We should take up this discussion again at the end of this season. Since I can add nothing new, I'll just agree wholeheartedly. |
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