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Apr 5, 2012 10:22:15 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Apr 5, 2012 10:22:15 GMT -5
Finally watched Tuesday's episode. I think it was a Wynn-win.
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Apr 5, 2012 12:52:02 GMT -5
Post by TC on Apr 5, 2012 12:52:02 GMT -5
[Maybe. The only problem is that why would it have been someone else besides who Johnny said? The preview seemed to make it clear that what Johnny said was what happened (and Justified previews aren't like Mad Men's where they are meant to confuse rather than preview). And I just can't figure out a reason who would have done it besides who Johnny said did it. I just think it's weird when they throw something at you but don't show it. It's not like Justified is sensitive about violence and would censor it - usually if something happens and they don't explicitly show it, there's a reason for it.
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Apr 5, 2012 13:57:19 GMT -5
Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 5, 2012 13:57:19 GMT -5
[Maybe. The only problem is that why would it have been someone else besides who Johnny said? The preview seemed to make it clear that what Johnny said was what happened (and Justified previews aren't like Mad Men's where they are meant to confuse rather than preview). And I just can't figure out a reason who would have done it besides who Johnny said did it. I just think it's weird when they throw something at you but don't show it. It's not like Justified is sensitive about violence and would censor it - usually if something happens and they don't explicitly show it, there's a reason for it. The only twist I can think of that makes some sense is that Duffy shot Tom the trooper so that he could collect the bounty on Quarles. Can't get the $100K if Bobby's in the Harlan County jail, I'd think. And since the Crowders have discussed splitting the bounty with Duffy, Johnny would have a reason to lie to the cops. What wouldn't make sense about that is that Duffy has made it clear he'd rather deliver a dead Quarles to Detroit than a live one, and a dead Quarles wouldn't make for much of a season finale.
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Apr 6, 2012 13:07:49 GMT -5
Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 6, 2012 13:07:49 GMT -5
The episode of Community from last night was amazing!
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Apr 6, 2012 13:40:29 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Apr 6, 2012 13:40:29 GMT -5
The episode of Community from last night was amazing! Wait. There are other shows on TV besides Justified and Game Of Thrones??? Who knew? ;D
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Apr 6, 2012 14:26:02 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Apr 6, 2012 14:26:02 GMT -5
The episode of Community from last night was amazing! Wait. There are other shows on TV besides Justified and Game Of Thrones??? Who knew? ;D Fat Betty and Don "I like to do it on the floor" Draper say hello.
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Apr 6, 2012 14:32:28 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Apr 6, 2012 14:32:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I still don't get that show.
I guess I shouldn't say "still." I really just watched the first season & have seen only an episode or two since then. Nothing has ever grabbed my attention.
I just thought it was all style with very little substance. But people like it, so what the hell.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 6, 2012 15:27:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I still don't get that show. I guess I shouldn't say "still." I really just watched the first season & have seen only an episode or two since then. Nothing has ever grabbed my attention. I just thought it was all style with very little substance. But people like it, so what the hell. I watched the first season. Its well done, but: 1. Most of the characters are awful people 2. The style of the show is a celebration of a culture I dont like - and while its not explicitly supportive, the attitudes of the men on the show are what drives its popularity. I'm not comfortable watching it. 3. There are some good themes and interesting plotpoints but Ive never been all that attuned to the rotten-inside-suburban-dream story. Its been done a lot and i dont identify. I either need to identify or escape (got, justify).
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Apr 6, 2012 16:10:58 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Apr 6, 2012 16:10:58 GMT -5
2. The style of the show is a celebration of a culture I dont like - and while its not explicitly supportive, the attitudes of the men on the show are what drives its popularity. I'm not comfortable watching it. So you're not a fan of The Sopranos, The Wire, The Shield, Breaking Bad, etc.?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 6, 2012 16:20:56 GMT -5
2. The style of the show is a celebration of a culture I dont like - and while its not explicitly supportive, the attitudes of the men on the show are what drives its popularity. I'm not comfortable watching it. So you're not a fan of The Sopranos, The Wire, The Shield, Breaking Bad, etc.? I don't consider The Wire to celebrate criminal culture or corruption, etc at all. The tone is not condoning; it is an examination of what goes wrong. I've never thought of the Sopranos as realistic, oddly. Perhaps I shpuld have. It is a glorification of mob culture but its never rung true as real. I haven't yet watched the Shield or Breaking Bad (i know! I'll get on it). I just get this feeling that the big draw of Mad Men is not about the lure of a story about the meaningless, hollow lives most of these people lead but rather the draw is to the drink at work and sexual harassment world of Cooper Sterling- even for women. Maybe bc Im not attracted that much to the disillusionment plotlines it exacerbates it. Or maybe because I work in an office it seems more comparable and less surreal. I dunno - i feel like Mad Men revels in its culture, where others, like the Sopranos, dont necessarily approve. Its probably just me. Also, it may have lost me with the Peggy didnt know she was preggers twist. Really? Peggy?
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Apr 10, 2012 16:42:50 GMT -5
Post by TC on Apr 10, 2012 16:42:50 GMT -5
Unlike Pete Campbell, I think Boyd Crowder would have engineered a way to force Roger Sterling out by now.
Finale tonight!
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Apr 10, 2012 16:49:56 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on Apr 10, 2012 16:49:56 GMT -5
Unlike Pete Campbell, I think Boyd Crowder would have engineered a way to force Roger Sterling out by now. Finale tonight! Let's see--we've got both a Chekhov Slide Gun and a Chekhov Butcher Knife that we're still waiting on and the episode is called "Slaughterhouse" This is going to be epic
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Apr 10, 2012 21:02:10 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Apr 10, 2012 21:02:10 GMT -5
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Apr 10, 2012 21:35:39 GMT -5
Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 10, 2012 21:35:39 GMT -5
Ok, who had Oregon in the pool? Groening grew up in Portland and added plenty of local references: SW Terwilliger Boulevard: "Simpsons" creator Matt Groening says it's a coincidence, but Sideshow Bob Terwilliger, Krusty the Clown's murderous and felonious former sidekick and evil nemesis of the Simpson son, Bart, carries the name of the Southwest Portland parkway. NW Quimby Street: Inspired the name of Diamond Joe Quimby, Springfield's corrupt, philandering mayor. NW Flanders Street: Inspired the name of Ned Flanders, the Simpsons' annoying next-door neighbor. NW Kearney Street: Source of name of Kearney, one of the schoolyard bullies who torments Bart. N. Van Houten Avenue: Milhouse Van Houten, Bart's best friend and foil, has the same name as this North Portland street. Again, Groening says it's a coincidence. Montgomery Park: Used to name Montgomery Burns, the evil owner of the Springfield Nuclear Plant. www.simpsonsfolder.com/library/portland.html
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Apr 10, 2012 22:19:03 GMT -5
Post by TC on Apr 10, 2012 22:19:03 GMT -5
I can't believe they put that many balls in the air and paid them all off and more.
Absolutely puts Lost to shame. That is how you juggle plotlines. I feel like if you had given Graham Yost S6 of Lost, he'd have wrapped everything up and then some.
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Apr 11, 2012 7:45:45 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Apr 11, 2012 7:45:45 GMT -5
That's a little bit of apples & oranges in my opinion. I don't think the two shows can be remotely compared to each other.
But it was a very good season finale.
Still not the best season of the show overall, if you ask me, but there were some great episodes in there, including last night.
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Apr 11, 2012 8:23:03 GMT -5
Post by TBird41 on Apr 11, 2012 8:23:03 GMT -5
Unlike Pete Campbell, I think Boyd Crowder would have engineered a way to force Roger Sterling out by now. Finale tonight! Let's see--we've got both a Chekhov Slide Gun and a Chekhov Butcher Knife that we're still waiting on and the episode is called "Slaughterhouse" This is going to be epic Have to say I really, really, really enjoyed the way Justified showed its Chekhov Slide Gun & Chekhov Butcher Knife. Especially Raylan's reaction immediately after. Also, that ending was pretty devastating
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Apr 11, 2012 8:38:51 GMT -5
Post by TC on Apr 11, 2012 8:38:51 GMT -5
That's a little bit of apples & oranges in my opinion. I don't think the two shows can be remotely compared to each other. Sure they can. It's still writing, whether we're talking about ancient tribes, research initiatives, and castaways or Kentucky gangs and US Marshalls.
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Apr 11, 2012 9:00:03 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Apr 11, 2012 9:00:03 GMT -5
Well, if you want to compare simple writing and acting performances then I would disagree with you. I think that work on Lost was just as good as the work on Justified. Where I think you can't compare them is that Lost had spent years building up epic themes and mysteries. Tying all of those together is a completely different task than tying together the story lines and character arcs of one season of Justified (OK, some of this was tied in with previous seasons, I don't discount that, but still a lot different, IMO). If people are getting the impression that I think Justified sucks, that is not the impression I am trying to convey. I simply think this season was not as good as those that preceded it. However, Quarles reaching for his severed arm and Givens slightly pulling it away was probably one of the greatest dark comic moments I have ever witnessed on television. (Not at all ruined by the subsequent "disarmed him" pun ).
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Apr 11, 2012 10:39:20 GMT -5
Post by TC on Apr 11, 2012 10:39:20 GMT -5
Well, if you want to compare simple writing and acting performances then I would disagree with you. I think that work on Lost was just as good as the work on Justified. My comment was more on continuity and bringing arcs to a close. You can build up epic themes and mystery, but in the end it is slop if you don't pay them off. Lost gave up caring about that stuff - if Cuse and Lindelof were writing Justified, they would have had Bobby Quarles leave his Derringer rig at home, written it off as an unimportant detail, and said it was all about Bobby Quarles the character and reunited him with his family to torture his young son or something like that. What I also like about Justified more is that they don't smack you in the face with things like Lost did - Ava pretty much has become everything she abhorred - she's a pimp, she mistreats other women, she now owns a brothel which she forbade Boyd from doing - but they don't have a character jump up and point that out. Even in the last scene where Wynonna stutters "man with a hat?" and they give up the big twist, they were way more subtle with it where Lost would have had Rayland giving a tearful explanation of what happened and how it made him feel.
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