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Post by nynick on Nov 19, 2010 9:04:34 GMT -5
Don't know if the link will work without a subscription, but saw this in the Journal this morning. No actual discussion of graduation rates, just a cheap shot at GU: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704648604575620692760066602.html?mod=ITP_opinion_0Quote: The good brothers at Georgetown mostly looked the other way for three decades while John Thompson built a basketball dynasty with kids who didn't belong at a serious university. Mr. Thompson and Temple coach John Chaney also complained loudly whenever the NCAA tried to tighten academic standards. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 19, 2010 9:06:51 GMT -5
Don't know if the link will work without a subscription, but saw this in the Journal this morning. No actual discussion of graduation rates, just a cheap shot at GU: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704648604575620692760066602.html?mod=ITP_opinion_0Quote: The good brothers at Georgetown mostly looked the other way for three decades while John Thompson built a basketball dynasty with kids who didn't belong at a serious university. Mr. Thompson and Temple coach John Chaney also complained loudly whenever the NCAA tried to tighten academic standards.Really seems to beg the question "What does it mean to "belong at a serious university." If you don't have the sharpest intellect in the world but you have world class athletic talent, why isn't that as "belonging" as someone with the inverse? |
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 19, 2010 9:10:38 GMT -5
Nothing like good old axe grinding using perceptions rather than facts. "The brothers" looked the other way? We have "brothers" at Georgetown? I thought they were priests. Silly me. If Mr. Yost actually looked at what the majority of those "kids who didn't belong at a serious university" have done since graduation he'd undoubtedly be shocked at how successful they've been.  |
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Post by prhoya on Nov 19, 2010 9:12:40 GMT -5
Yes, he lost me at "brothers"... obviously, researching is not his strong suit.
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 19, 2010 9:12:52 GMT -5
"The brothers" looked the other way? We have "brothers" at Georgetown? I thought they were priests. Silly me. Funny, now that you point out this glaring factual error, it also makes me wonder whether "brothers" was an intentional reference to something else... |
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Post by Boz on Nov 19, 2010 9:47:17 GMT -5
The phrase you should be troubled by is not "good brothers." That seems an innocent mistake and nothing more.
The disturbing phrase in that sentence is "didn't belong."
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 19, 2010 9:53:46 GMT -5
Oh, I don't believe for a second there are any 'innocent mistakes' in that paragraph. It's misinformation and prejudice promulgated by an overly entitled elitist writer, simple as that.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 19, 2010 10:06:15 GMT -5
What? At the Journal? Surely you jest.
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Post by whipple on Nov 19, 2010 10:12:01 GMT -5
Temple is not a Catholic school! Why bring up the Owls and Coach Chaney, unless you are making a blanket statement that black coaches don't care about academic standards?
What about the incredible defense and discipline that both "preached?"
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Post by chep3 on Nov 19, 2010 10:31:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you answered your own question there whipple.
One would think the better question, as Dan said, is what these kids did aftewards. Ex post information would appear to be a better indicator of "belonging" than ex ante estimators. But on the other hand, I guess it's easier to just insinuate that a black kid who plays ball doesn't "belong."
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Post by vcjack on Nov 19, 2010 10:39:05 GMT -5
If he gets called out for it, I guarantee he'll respond, "well of course things are different now and Georgetown is committed to having real student athletes, look at that Nate Lubick kid!"
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 19, 2010 10:42:52 GMT -5
wow SAD SICK AND WRONG WRONG WRONG.. cant believe this was acutally in there but maybe not surprised.. go hoyas big john adn jt3 did and do more for education of these student athletes as much as or more than any other coaches ive know thru the years SAD SICK AND WRONG WRONG WRONG need to get letters to the editor.. go hoyas beat wooooooooford.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 19, 2010 10:46:36 GMT -5
patrick ewing had ld and ended up scholar athlete deke couldnt play his fresh year cause he couldnt take sat in english cause it wasnt one of the five languages he spoke.. zo and deke and their charities.. COME ON WJS BE FAIR AND BALANCED you freaking dont know what youre talking about AT ALL yes im using caps this time ON PURPOSE... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 19, 2010 10:47:02 GMT -5
Any writer of that caliber knows the dual meaning of his words and most likely chose them very carefully...very disappointing
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 19, 2010 10:57:01 GMT -5
Don't know if the link will work without a subscription, but saw this in the Journal this morning. No actual discussion of graduation rates, just a cheap shot at GU: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704648604575620692760066602.html?mod=ITP_opinion_0Quote: The good brothers at Georgetown mostly looked the other way for three decades while John Thompson built a basketball dynasty with kids who didn't belong at a serious university. Mr. Thompson and Temple coach John Chaney also complained loudly whenever the NCAA tried to tighten academic standards.WOW! I just read the entire article. Praising some nun at Xavier who is doing the job that Mary Fenlon started 4 decades ago. Could someone please ensure the UNIVERSITY replies to this nonsense? It really should not be allowed to sit out there unchallenged. GU -- during the JT years Yost mentions -- had what, a 96% Hoops graduation rate? or something like that? This kind of nonsense has to be addressed immediately and officially with facts behind it, or it will fester and take on a life of its own like the $200 million/day Obama to India nonsense that was accepted so easily by those with an axe to grind. |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Nov 19, 2010 11:09:26 GMT -5
Don't know if the link will work without a subscription All (nearly all) WSJ articles are available without a subscription, even those that prompt you to enter your user name and password. Just google the article title and you can (almost) always access the article from the google results page without a hassle. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 19, 2010 11:19:21 GMT -5
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Post by whipple on Nov 19, 2010 11:23:51 GMT -5
I subscribed just so I could cancel. I yelled, "I was not aware WSJ stood for White Supremicist Journal."
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 19, 2010 11:31:35 GMT -5
Excellent comment. Short, right on point, and most importantly, 100% accurate. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 19, 2010 12:12:07 GMT -5
Says it was posted by Erik Frias. Erik... if you are a member of this board.. GREAT JOB! Thanks from ALL of us for responding so well. I'd still like to see the UNIVERSITY make an official response. |
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