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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 2, 2010 15:18:55 GMT -5
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Post by RBHoya on Nov 2, 2010 15:24:59 GMT -5
Gotta think it will be Nova and TCU, but I guess the usual suspects like USF, Memphis, ECU, Temple are in the mix as well.
Supposedly Nova was gonna decide on moving up in December. If they decide against, they may consider adding Houston along with TCU, so there is more presence/travel partner in Texas.
Tough to see an 18 team hoops league being viable long-term, but I guess people said that about 16 as well and it did ok.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Nov 2, 2010 15:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 2, 2010 15:28:07 GMT -5
pls move to pro&coll, tks. What, no "welcome to the Big East, Wildcats!!!" joy and merriment?  |
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Post by nathanhm on Nov 2, 2010 15:51:30 GMT -5
Seems like having 17 members in the BE would mean someone (basketball only) might be asked to leave.....there were rumors this summer about an under performing BE school asked to determine if it thought staying in the BE was in its best interest.
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Post by skyhoya on Nov 2, 2010 15:53:33 GMT -5
are we talking the hall?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 2, 2010 16:01:18 GMT -5
Seems like having 17 members in the BE would mean someone (basketball only) might be asked to leave.....there were rumors this summer about an under performing BE school asked to determine if it thought staying in the BE was in its best interest. Those "rumors" were entirely made up by a troll Villanova fan who blogs on Bleacher Report. Which is why you shouldn't trust Bleacher Report. |
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Post by DudeSlade on Nov 2, 2010 16:08:37 GMT -5
I actually would appreciate if the discussion were left here. This is important to Georgetown basketball also, as the shape of the conference, the schools in the conference, and the viability of the conference as a football power hugely affects Georgetown basketball. Not to mention, if we add teams for football, they'll likely get added for basketball and all other sports -- see the discussion on TCU.
Personally, I would love a USF type school here -- TCU, Houston, UCF all qualify. They will be getting stronger and stronger as football schools and help buffer the huge money making part of the conference, but won't pose a serious threat in basketball for the foreseeable future.
Of course, as we've all mentioned before, Memphis would be a really interesting school to add due to it's football and basketball presence. I could certainly see its football program improving greatly with a jump to the Big East, as they are in a football hotbed, Tennessee and Kentucky are both down, giving them an opportunity to steal away local recruits, and they have a name brand because of basketball -- so give them the BCS AQ status that comes with the Big East and that could be a good football school. I actually like the idea of TCU and Memphis best if we are to add 2 schools.
I actually don't think two 9-team divisions would be that unwieldy for all other sports. You play round robin in those two divisions, play a handful of games across the division, and set up the two divisions on opposite sides of the bracket for playoffs in the BET. Divide it East/West (Coastal/Inland?) or North/South and play it almost like 2 different conferences that have a deal struck to play a certain number of games against each other.
In that scenario, I could see it split as follows:
Coastal: Providence, UConn, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Rutgers, Syracuse, Georgetown, USF, Villanova
Inland: Pittsburgh, Louisville, West Virginia, Depaul, Cincinnati, Marquette, Notre Dame, TCU, Memphis
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North: Providence, St Johns, Seton Hall, UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Villanova, Pittsburgh, Marquette(?)
South: Georgetown, USF, Louisville, West Virginia, Depaul Cincinatti, Notre Dame, TCU, Memphis
I would personally prefer the Coastal/Inland split -- seems to make more geographic sense, keeps more traditional rivalries together (especially for us), and creates more natural geographic rivals.
So, what do you think? Add 2 teams? or Nova and TCU? Because this seems to be on its way to happening whether we like it or not.
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Post by Jack on Nov 2, 2010 16:23:11 GMT -5
I am still not clear on how this move makes sense for Villanova unless the other football schools are footing a significant portion of their costs to upgrade to a BCS program. They don't draw big crowds now, they have no place to play, and Philly has not shown any inclination to support major college football for Temple. Maybe Villanova thinks it is the only way to save their basketball program, but it just might sink their entire athletic department unless they think this through.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Nov 2, 2010 16:31:05 GMT -5
The Big East expanding to Texas would set a new record for geographic incongruity, breaking the record set when Boston College left for the ACC and a 500 mile hike to its nearest conference opponent. And as for TCU hoops . . . .
As long as the conference stays together for hoops, that is all we should really care about.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 2, 2010 16:32:22 GMT -5
pls move to pro&coll, tks. What, no "welcome to the Big East, Wildcats!!!" joy and merriment? Thanks for providing a late-afternoon chuckle! ;D This is pretty interesting news. Clearly, the BE needs to be doing something. Adding Nova and TCU (or Nova and anyone else) for Football would give the conf. 10 Football teams.... and 17 teams for everything else since Nova is already in the fold. I am sure Tags is looking out well beyond this initial step and thinking through the dominoes that may fall in subsequent years. And, absolutely you know a Big East TV network is part of this. It is not obvious to me how/why the BE would try to incorporate a team from Texas... (strictly talking Geography DFW - not culture), but I guess it depends on what your options are. As I've stated many times on this board, I think GU is so incredibly lucky to have Tags on our board and the BE benefits too. The BE may not have all the advantages of the Big Ten, Pac 18 or whatever they are now, etc. But... we do have a guy who is as smart, as knowledgeable, and as well connected as any other conference. Now if he can just "wrangle the cats" of the conference to all go in the same direction, I will feel VERY positive about the future of our conference and of GU in particular. Thanks, DFW, for finding and linking that news. |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Nov 2, 2010 16:52:19 GMT -5
Can the Big East lure Navy in as a football-only member? I can't see the Patriot League blocking the arrangement.
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Post by nathanhm on Nov 2, 2010 16:53:12 GMT -5
Seems like having 17 members in the BE would mean someone (basketball only) might be asked to leave.....there were rumors this summer about an under performing BE school asked to determine if it thought staying in the BE was in its best interest. Those "rumors" were entirely made up by a troll Villanova fan who blogs on Bleacher Report. Which is why you shouldn't trust Bleacher Report. Thats why I said rumors and didn't go into specifics since I hadn't heard anything more. That being said would it surprise anyone if Nova moves up the BE starts looking hard at the 7 non football members and seeing who adds value for basketball. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 2, 2010 17:29:57 GMT -5
I see BE adding Nova as a football member and TCU as a football only member. Nothing changes.
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Post by kghoya on Nov 2, 2010 17:29:58 GMT -5
Since it's obvious that ND isn't taking their football program seriously, they should just join. The BE conference makes more sense for them when you consider all sports. I mean does Purdue have a lacrosse team?
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 2, 2010 17:38:37 GMT -5
Since it's obvious that ND isn't taking their football program seriously, they should just join. The BE conference makes more sense for them when you consider all sports. I mean does Purdue have a lacrosse team? My thoughts exactly. Move Nova and ND up for football. Keep basketball the same (for now). |
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 2, 2010 21:34:54 GMT -5
agree nova and nd up to foot ball and the way nd footballs going they might need to do that just a thought goh oyas beat odu YES ;D ;D
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 2, 2010 21:37:57 GMT -5
thanks as usual dfw go hoyas  |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 3, 2010 9:07:38 GMT -5
I see BE adding Nova as a football member and TCU as a football only member. Nothing changes. What would TCU do for other sports? Do you think the Mountain West would let them stay for everything else? I'm not sure they would. I think Rosslyn's idea about Navy stands a better chance. Why would we not try to lure Memphis? |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 3, 2010 9:24:47 GMT -5
I don't know but the scuttle but is that the big east is definitely looking for football only members. And the concensus is any of those teams would jump at that chance and then figure out the rest of their sports later. A lower conference would take their other sports eventually and they clearly don't care about their other sports. I don't think the all sports membership will grow.
There's also rumor that Nova will decline their invite and we'll get 2 football only members, but that's less sure. I'm fairly positive that any *new* teams will be as football only schools. I can see the bball only schools not wanting any new all sport schools.
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