RDF
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Post by RDF on May 19, 2011 13:26:23 GMT -5
I am simply stating that most who watch these kids have no past in evaluating & projecting talent, yourself included. You are going to hit on some & miss on some, but the coaches must feel the potential is there. You aren't going to get all top notch kids so the ones you take a flier on have to have some element that makes them strong candidates. I think you might be the most negative poster I have ever read on this board and it borders on hatred for the current staff. We get it, you don't like them, lets move on. Nobody said Hopkins/Bolden don't have potential. They do--which is why it's frustrating to watch them play. Since you want to jump into the fray, then go back and look what I said a year/half prior to his commitment. Now what happened a year later? So that "negativity" turned out to be reality, correct? If it's accurate assessment, why would that be seen as negative? I also have stated several times I hope he figures it out and future teammates toughen him up/force him to compete and be a more consistent/tougher player. I actually loved getting a guy like Bolden-as that type of frontcourt (more size/athleticism) is what you want--but eventually he's got to produce too. Just not liking that he also needs to have a fire lit to get him going. Need self motivated players. As far as the staff, I don't hate them, I want to see them held to a standard. I love what Robert Kirby has brought to program/table. As someone who was not a fan of Dave Cox and openly stated it for years, wouldn't you say that Kirby was an upgrade over Cox? Again--if it's accurate, is it negative or is it being correct? HoyaTalk is an amazing place because you have had this change in posters--it went from posters who talked basketball and openly to this "Rah Rah" Cult-like mentality where you can't challenge anything becuase "you aren't the coach" and anything team does is correct because we're fans. I've often complimented III/Staff when they do something that helps the team. Then you hear "You're just saying that because they did what you suggested". So you have this mentality that because I don't like that poster, I'm not going to say they are correct in their assessment of the program/performance. Potential is great, but if you are going to recruit like that, means you have to be strong in player development (not just starters but entire team) and you better not operate a system that takes a long time to get them on court--or your developmental guys will all transfer out of the program and cycle repeats itself without any results to show for it. So that means your recruiting on potential is waste of time. Which staff was in place when team developed Hibbert/Green, etc. How has player development gone since they left? How has recruiting gone? So if you are going to have guys in place that can't devleop players, you better get guys who you know are going to be great (Monroe type) and problem is--the weak links of staff can't do that either. They know 1 style of basketball, aren't assets in recruiting, and program has taken a step backwards. So yes, I would like to see the staff upgraded and improved. That is being a fan who has eyes open and pays attention instead of having blind faith on "potential". Major college sports depend on recruiting teenagers who have perceptions of you (right or wrong) and many people who are in their ear to help certain programs and hurt others. If you do nothing but hope it "gets fixed" then don't be shocked when things start slipping. Kirby proved what an upgrade can do. Now it's time to give him help because talented people can hide a lot of flaws.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 19, 2011 13:53:48 GMT -5
Reasonable enough. I guess the ongoing Bolden/Hopkins bashing that has occurred prior to kids ever getting on campus has been a bit much in my opinion. As far as the development of Hibs/Green/Wallace, I think you have to give III some credit. Recruiting is also a function of on court success so I think the Wright/Freeman class signifies the end of the FF recruits but it hasn't exactly been awful either. Hollis, Clark, Sims (was a fairly sought after recruit), Monroe???
The assistants are very important but any good program is going to experience turnover there and I think you've got to give a coach a chance who has had some success to learn on the fly as well with staff turnover (he didn't really have these types of issues at Princeton). I think the reason moves are likely addressing this issue.
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Post by RDF on May 19, 2011 15:09:42 GMT -5
Reasonable enough. I guess the ongoing Bolden/Hopkins bashing that has occurred prior to kids ever getting on campus has been a bit much in my opinion. As far as the development of Hibs/Green/Wallace, I think you have to give III some credit. Recruiting is also a function of on court success so I think the Wright/Freeman class signifies the end of the FF recruits but it hasn't exactly been awful either. Hollis, Clark, Sims (was a fairly sought after recruit), Monroe??? The assistants are very important but any good program is going to experience turnover there and I think you've got to give a coach a chance who has had some success to learn on the fly as well with staff turnover (he didn't really have these types of issues at Princeton). I think the reason moves are likely addressing this issue. I have no problem giving III credit--I want him to get more help. He's having to do the job of his assistants and the Head Coach in a lot of cases. A lot of the guys you mentioned--Greg, Hollis, Clark, and Sims were result of Final Four too. I liked Henry as much as anyone and thought he had potential to be a Pro at end of his career. So I was completely off base on that one. Would Henry have been a better player with old staff then current? Think so. Just want to see the potential guys have people in place to get it out of them.
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Post by chep3 on May 19, 2011 16:46:15 GMT -5
I liked Henry as much as anyone and thought he had potential to be a Pro at end of his career. So I was completely off base on that one. Would Henry have been a better player with old staff then current? Think so. Man, that's our real miss of the past few years isn't it? If Henry had developed into what a top 40 player generally should, we would have been a very different team the last two years. Had he been an above average BE player, we would've been a flat out contender in 2009-10.
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Post by kghoya on May 19, 2011 20:31:56 GMT -5
I liked Henry as much as anyone and thought he had potential to be a Pro at end of his career. So I was completely off base on that one. Would Henry have been a better player with old staff then current? Think so. Man, that's our real miss of the past few years isn't it? If Henry had developed into what a top 40 player generally should, we would have been a very different team the last two years. Had he been an above average BE player, we would've been a flat out contender in 2009-10. Georgetown just wasn't prepared to have Sims flop and Macklin transfer. The Hoyas weren't deep enough to suffer both of those blows at the same time.
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Post by RDF on May 19, 2011 23:50:49 GMT -5
Don't forget Chris Braswell never qualifying.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 20, 2011 8:16:24 GMT -5
And Riley de-commit didn't help (even though nothing has come of it at Cuse with him). Hopefully the competition of an elite AAU squad and a more balanced senior year will get Bolden more hype.
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Post by chep3 on May 20, 2011 8:50:34 GMT -5
Don't forget Chris Braswell never qualifying. True. I've only seen the kid play once, but he seemed like he would've been a perfect complement to Greg. Certainly between him and a more developed Henry, we would've had the bigs to make noise last year.
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Post by alleninxis on May 30, 2011 19:48:20 GMT -5
this weekend at the EYBL
Game 1: 5-11, 10 pts, 7 boards & 1 block.
Game 2: 4-4, 8 pts, 6 boards & 2 blocks.
Game 3: 4-11, 8 pts, 7 boards & 1 block.
Game 4: 3-6, 9 pts, 5 boards & 2 blocks
Game 5: 2-10, 5pts, 7 boards & 2 blocks.
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Post by idhoya on May 30, 2011 21:20:41 GMT -5
still not scoring as much as I'd like, but activity seems to have picked up.
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Post by Highsmith on May 31, 2011 15:41:06 GMT -5
How many minutes did he get for those numbers?
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RDF
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Post by RDF on May 31, 2011 15:53:18 GMT -5
How many minutes did he get for those numbers? Game 1- 22 minutes Game 2- 9 minutes Game 3- 16 minutes Game 4- 24 minutes Game 5- 24 minutes
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Post by HometownHoya on May 31, 2011 17:17:50 GMT -5
Interesting how his production remained consistent even in games his minutes were low. Hopefully that leads to promise of a player that can contribute off the bench in the 1-5 mpg range in his first year.
Any info on why he played so little in Game 2? Did he get injured or not play til late? Because if he shoots 100% when he has a chip on his shoulder ill be happy.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 31, 2011 17:24:30 GMT -5
Seems like he was in foul trouble. He had 4 fouls that game.
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Post by tonyparker on Aug 17, 2011 21:06:39 GMT -5
Interesting...Brandon Bolden to Quality Education (Bowen's high school). twitter.com/#!/AdamZagoria/status/104010083746316289
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Aug 17, 2011 22:17:55 GMT -5
and Quincy Miller too
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 17, 2011 22:57:16 GMT -5
Good news in terms of competition. The league he played in last year sucked. Should be playing good competition.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Aug 17, 2011 23:29:25 GMT -5
Quality Education is iffy, is it not? Otherwise, I'm glad he got away from his previous school, as he never saw the ball.
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Post by nychoya3 on Aug 18, 2011 10:17:28 GMT -5
There have been questions about QEA, but it's a real school that existed before they started taking D-I basketball prospects (more than you can say about some places). Bowen obviously qualified. Assuming this a basketball move and not a "raise your GPA through hook or crook and get eligible" move, it makes sense. Bolden will see better competition and get better coaching, which is exactly what he needs to reach his potential. articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-23/sports/29489050_1_ncaa-spokesman-students-academic-work
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Post by KirbyKeger on Sept 12, 2011 21:12:20 GMT -5
Any news on Brandon? I think III went down to see him while on his trip to see DSR at Oak Hill, but aside from that, nobody has said anything about him for a month.
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