jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Sept 16, 2011 0:40:20 GMT -5
As a Hoya fan, I'm not too optimistic either -- Duke, Ohio State and UCLA are the only schools he has set up visits with. We are becoming known for our late-game heroics on the recruiting trail. Never lose hope. Ill keep the hope up, but I never even thought Gtown was on TP's radar so it wont be the most devastating thing if he goes elsewhere, even though he is a fantastic player. Think a guy like Upshaw, while not as talented or highly touted, could be a great player in a similar position. Love that he is about 7' too.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Sept 16, 2011 11:51:37 GMT -5
Upshaw may have more long term potential, but TP has the footwork that Upshaw doesnt. Upshaw is rapidly improving and has legit center size @ 6'11-7'0. Even though he's a Cali dude.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 16, 2011 12:22:19 GMT -5
Upshaw may have more long term potential, but TP has the footwork that Upshaw doesnt. Upshaw is rapidly improving and has legit center size @ 6'11-7'0. Even though he's a Cali dude. Being a Cali dude doesn't mean he can't be a good center. Bill Walton says hi. Tyson Chandler hasn't turned out so bad, either if you want a more recent reference.
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dense
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Post by dense on Sept 16, 2011 17:45:54 GMT -5
I've been more impressed by his interviews then his tape...And his tape online isnt bad. He seems very intelligent, and has a very low key way about him...He acts alot lot Roy did/does
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Sept 16, 2011 18:05:09 GMT -5
He works hard too from what I hear dense.
you throw out two guys. Walton stayed hurt. The light just came on in the last few years for Chandler.
I wasn't taking a shot at Cali kids...ok yes I was. Just my affinity for non-cali guys.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 16, 2011 19:35:49 GMT -5
He works hard too from what I hear dense. you throw out two guys. Walton stayed hurt. The light just came on in the last few years for Chandler. I wasn't taking a shot at Cali kids...ok yes I was. Just my affinity for non-cali guys. Walton was a pretty fair (and healthy) college player, and Chandler didn't attend college. I'm just saying that Cali centers aren't necessarily soft. You've just been jaded by our experience with Wesley Wilson. I wouldn't hold that against Upshaw. I'd rather have Parker, but I think Upshaw is intriguing.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Sept 17, 2011 23:12:38 GMT -5
Walton was a great college player. I was thinkin pro. Chandler, pro wise, just got goood
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 18, 2011 9:43:25 GMT -5
Walton was a great college player. I was thinkin pro. Chandler, pro wise, just got goood Let's not give Walton short shrift as a pro. Despite a career plagued by an injury list of epic proportions, Walton was named to the NBA's 1996 list of top 50 players of all time. He also won a league MVP, Finals MVP, NBA 6th Man of the Year award and two NBA titles. Not bad for a white dude from Cali. He also holds the League record for most games missed due to injury in a career.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Sept 18, 2011 10:34:43 GMT -5
one of those titles was ridin the pine for the Celtics. all of his accolades camr early in his pro days.
Look, I'm sure there a plenty of excellent cali dudes all over the league, but perception is reality and if your an east coast dude like me; Cali dudes are perceived as soft on the court. That said, loved SoCal when he was here and was a Lakers fan (along with the knicks) during the showtime era.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 18, 2011 11:26:10 GMT -5
one of those titles was ridin the pine for the Celtics. all of his accolades camr early in his pro days. Look, I'm sure there a plenty of excellent cali dudes all over the league, but perception is reality and if your an east coast dude like me; Cali dudes are perceived as soft on the court. That said, loved SoCal when he was here and was a Lakers fan (along with the knicks) during the showtime era. I get your basic point ID. As an East Coast guy myself, I share that stereotype -- although i don't really know if it's accurate. But one last point on Walton (whom I think is and was a very talented knucklehead). That championship he got "ridin the pine" for Boston was the year he won the NBA's 6th Man Award, so in my book he still gets credit for the title. BTW, do you remember Marquette's Maurice Lucas? He was Walton's sidekick - and enforcer-- on those Portland teams. Kind of a "rich man's" Michael Graham, if you know what I mean.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Sept 18, 2011 19:23:17 GMT -5
Lucas was a bad dude.
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Post by idhoya on Sept 27, 2011 16:39:47 GMT -5
just dropped Memphis and Georgetown from his list. Lookin like a Duke lean now.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Sept 27, 2011 16:51:15 GMT -5
Damn...and the beat goes on. EVERY year we are on these top 50 guys lists and every year when they blow us off in the eleventh hour we say but next year a bunch of top guys are listing us. Still got time to salvage this class, but it is looking less likely it will be the class we all envisioned.
However, I will keep hope alive. Thanks to TP for letting us know early he cut us as opposed to dragging it out having us thinking we had a shot.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 27, 2011 21:02:17 GMT -5
Not a surprising outcome given the current conference turmoil.
Regardless of where you come down on preferred path forward, it will help recruiting for Georgetown to establish certainty around our future in the conference, whether it be a cobbled hodgepodge or a pure hoops league.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 28, 2011 7:33:14 GMT -5
Btw, Dynasty - I think your comment is a little unfair. We have consistently signed Top 50 talent.
Just in recent years, Top 50 recruits Summers, Macklin, Freeman, Wright, Monroe, Sims, Lubick, Porter, and Hopkins have signed. That is not a bad track record. THen there is a bunch of guys in the Top 75 area we signed as well (Sapp, Clark, Starks, Jabril, Adams, ).
I think where we have missed out is the elite, program changing recruit, a la Pat Ewing, Reggie Williams, Zo, Othella, Iverson. JT, Jr. was able to get one of these guys occasionally to take a group of Top 50 recruits up to national title contenders.
In his prime, JT, Jr. definitely signs a Rakeem, Kyle, or Nerlens, maybe two of them.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 28, 2011 10:13:41 GMT -5
Monroe # 8 when he was signed
Macklin # 14 when he was signed
Freeman # 8-10 depending on who u look at when he was signed
Porter was a five star by the time he was signed
Summers was #21 when he was signed
To say JTIII hasn't signed elite recruits while he's been here is to ignore the facts.
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 28, 2011 10:44:36 GMT -5
It's frustrating to lose Parker following on the footsteps of the Kyle Anderson miss. Still, Anderson went to UCLA. Parker is going to Duke, UCLA, or OSU. It's really, really hard to recruit against those schools, unfortunately, and we're going to lose more often than not even without any of the uncertainty surrounding the conference. Still, you have to try because sometimes it comes together.
We have an excellent class coming in and we will be get good players going forward.
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Post by RDF on Sept 28, 2011 11:15:27 GMT -5
III's going to get good players as long as he listens to the right people and this should be final nail in coffin for the 2 guys who have done nothing and eventually lead to Broadus being promoted and possibly Othella as well, or at least have an opportunity to upgrade the staff.
This year reminds me of when he was first hired--and it follows pattern--they are getting listed, in-homes, visits, etc.....but will land a decent but not hyped class. Core Group they signed last year is going to be the one that hopefully gets them back on track--fits the system they prefer to play--big, versatile, etc.....and then when you have a real staff to compliment III/Kirby instead of the 2 others who are about as useful as Bill Shapland at a Biggest Loser casting call, then you'll start landing top tier players. Longer you let 2 guys be on the road who can't close or help you out, then you won't land players. Other programs maximize the on the road recruiting with great staffs--Hoyas have III/Kirby--and next year it will hopefully change. If not-expect them to have to hit on guys who are developmental or late bloomers because an Ivy League/Mid Major staff has done exactly what they do--proven they recruit like it and in all honesty--they can't even land that type of player either.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Sept 28, 2011 11:55:07 GMT -5
None of JTIII's recruits, save possibly Monroe and only had he stayed 3-4 years, could be classified as an "elite, program changing" recruit.
While I think we can agree that JTIII has had very solid recruiting over time, the fact (if we also agree not to ignore the facts) is that our coach has not successfully recruited a player that transforms a collection of solid recruits into a team that legitmately competes for a national title. Our track record bears this out.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 28, 2011 11:58:13 GMT -5
III's going to get good players as long as he listens to the right people and this should be final nail in coffin for the 2 guys who have done nothing and eventually lead to Broadus being promoted and possibly Othella as well, or at least have an opportunity to upgrade the staff. This year reminds me of when he was first hired--and it follows pattern--they are getting listed, in-homes, visits, etc.....but will land a decent but not hyped class. Core Group they signed last year is going to be the one that hopefully gets them back on track--fits the system they prefer to play--big, versatile, etc.....and then when you have a real staff to compliment III/Kirby instead of the 2 others who are about as useful as Bill Shapland at a Biggest Loser casting call, then you'll start landing top tier players. Longer you let 2 guys be on the road who can't close or help you out, then you won't land players. Other programs maximize the on the road recruiting with great staffs--Hoyas have III/Kirby--and next year it will hopefully change. If not-expect them to have to hit on guys who are developmental or late bloomers because an Ivy League/Mid Major staff has done exactly what they do--proven they recruit like it and in all honesty--they can't even land that type of player either. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Hunter was the lead recruiter for both Jabril and Whittington.... I also thought he recruited Semaj too?
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