DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 4, 2010 16:09:17 GMT -5
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Aug 4, 2010 18:42:46 GMT -5
I think this quote is a pretty good summary of what other schools think about our football program:
"Fordham's departure would leave the Patriot League with the minimum six teams needed to keep an automatic berth in the NCAA FCS playoffs. One of those teams is Georgetown, whose commitment to football always seems half-hearted — its field is called “Multi-Sport Field” and seats a third of the capacity of Bethlehem Area School District Stadium and the Hoyas are 6-49 in nine Patriot League seasons.
There's no obvious replacement around if the Hoyas went in another direction.
So, then, bring on the scholarships?"
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 4, 2010 19:40:00 GMT -5
“We're looking into (scholarships),” said Hoyas coach Kevin Kelly without much enthusiasm. Truly a motto for Georgetown football in the Kelly era - "Without Much Enthusiasm" |
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Post by eb59 on Aug 5, 2010 12:12:54 GMT -5
Embarrassing....so completely embarrassing!!! These types of comments about the MSF and the GU FB Program make me sick to my stomach and the worst part of it is that they are true!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 13, 2010 10:44:54 GMT -5
So reading some of our patriot league opponents message boards apparently a vote is coming on this in December.
If the patriot league votes to allow scholarships will Georgetown invest in the program and make the transition to scholarships? DFW who knows a lot more about these things than me seems to be under the impression the much more likely scenario is the hoyas leave the patriot league for a worse league that doesn't offer scholarships like the pioneer league.
What do people think will happen? What do people think should happen?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 13, 2010 12:34:22 GMT -5
If the patriot league votes to allow scholarships will Georgetown invest in the program and make the transition to scholarships? DFW who knows a lot more about these things than me seems to be under the impression the much more likely scenario is the hoyas leave the patriot league for a worse league that doesn't offer scholarships like the pioneer league. If that was the impression, I should apologize. The Pioneer League is not a credible option and Georgetown understands that. Georgetown is not tied down to a "no scholarships under any circumstances" stand, but absent any gifts to the contrary it must work with what it has. The Big East talk with Villanova is interesting as it relates to GU in that a TV deal could cover a huge number of new scholarships among men's and women's sports and still allow for program and coaches expenses. Football is also limited in recruiting in ways the other GU sports are not, because the Patriot League has adoped an Ivy League index where schools cannot recruit below certain SAT/GPA coordinates. Even with scholarships, the competitive dynamic doesn't change much if GU can't look below a 1250 SAT for its football recruits and schools like Villanova or Duke can sign almost anyone they choose to. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 13, 2010 12:40:55 GMT -5
ok thanks for clarifying
If the patriot league does go scholarship and we'd have to be paying for scholarships anyway would it make sense to just skip the scholarships at the FCS level step and push right on to try and be villanova and join the big east in football? Or is it 100% necessary to do a middle step and succeed at the FCS level first.
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 13, 2010 12:50:52 GMT -5
Georgetown could start playing I-A football tomorrow - a few schools had mediocre success at the I-AA level (notably UConn, which was always kind of wimpy 5-6 school).
It's "100% necessary", however, to build fan interest, which seems to be the key. Nebraska's Memorial Stadium becomes the third-largest city in Nebraska on football Saturdays. Upgrading the team success level usually translates to some degree of increased fan interest, which leads to money (unless Georgetown will just hire itself out to get slaughtered by LSU for $500,000).
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Post by derhoya on Sept 13, 2010 15:18:21 GMT -5
ok thanks for clarifying If the patriot league does go scholarship and we'd have to be paying for scholarships anyway would it make sense to just skip the scholarships at the FCS level step and push right on to try and be villanova and join the big east in football? Or is it 100% necessary to do a middle step and succeed at the FCS level first. middle step absolutely necessary, barring a $100M donation earmarked for fball only. there are a number of I-A requirements we need that are far away, but hell, 15-20 years from now? Maybe... |
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derhoya
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Post by derhoya on Sept 13, 2010 15:22:22 GMT -5
RE Scholarships: In reading other message boards on the PL scholarship issue, there appears to be common themes on the following:
1. Cost, affording 60 schollies isn't cheap for these private institutions. some have the funds, some don't nor will anytime soon
2. Potential Title IX issues, some have issues (us?), some don't apparently
3. Do Presidents even care? Academics make these universities noteworthy, not football.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 13, 2010 18:52:07 GMT -5
How much would removing the Academic Index without adding scholarships do for recruiting?
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Post by hoyawatcher on Sept 15, 2010 18:14:47 GMT -5
Potentially interesting article about Kennesaw State University adding FCS football. While the article doesn't go into the rational for adding FB (which would be a good read), it does go into the cost structure required to run an FCS program with 63 ships. Recognizing that their scholarship costs would be significantly less than Georgetown the article says the costs would be $7 M over 4 years. They are paying it mostly with increased student fees which probably wouldn't fly at GU but has been used at a lot of places. But if the cost is anywhere near this level getting to an FCS program should be doable for GU if the donar base can be harnessed. mdjonline.com/view/full_story/9524714/article-Kick--it-off--KSU-?instance=home_news_left |
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