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Post by GUMBA on Aug 2, 2010 18:37:17 GMT -5
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Aug 2, 2010 18:42:20 GMT -5
Lot of good it did the fine folks in Raleigh running him out of town. Princeton Offense=Get Better Shots. I can see why guys who want to play at the highest level would shy away from it  |
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Post by rustyshackleford on Aug 2, 2010 19:04:47 GMT -5
Lot of good it did the fine folks in Raleigh running him out of town. Princeton Offense=Get Better Shots. I can see why guys who want to play at the highest level would shy away from it |
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Post by kchoya on Aug 2, 2010 19:32:02 GMT -5
Lot of good it did the fine folks in Raleigh running him out of town. Princeton Offense=Get Better Shots. I can see why guys who want to play at the highest level would shy away from it I agree. They are entitled to much more -- like the stellar results produced by Sidney Lowe. |
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Post by RDF on Aug 2, 2010 22:29:29 GMT -5
Perception is far more important then reality--you guys know that. It doesn't matter what works--it's what recruits think works that matters--and that is sad.
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Post by SaxaCD on Aug 3, 2010 7:40:18 GMT -5
Personally, I love the system. Always a pleasure to watch well-executed basketball.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 3, 2010 9:21:48 GMT -5
Especially when we run, too. Fast in the open court, efficient in the half. Nice to watch.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 3, 2010 9:48:08 GMT -5
My sig quote.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Aug 3, 2010 9:59:49 GMT -5
This. Meant to reference it in my reply, but forgot if you still had it in sig. Best player the system has produced, who is going to get PAID, says it's what made him WIN. Agree w RDF, so this is the perception that needs to be created. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 3, 2010 10:15:41 GMT -5
Being the contrarian in this thread, I'm a fan of the Princeton offense. Having seen a decade or so of the 33-37% shooting of the 1990's Thompson and early 2000's Esherick teams, the precision offense is fine by me.
For a team to shoot 71% against Duke is utterly remarkable--a generation ago, a Georgetown team once missed 65 shots in a single game (Connecticut, 1/11/97).
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Post by CAHoya07 on Aug 3, 2010 12:59:08 GMT -5
The Princeton offense can be beautiful to watch when it is run effectively. We did more fast-breaking this past year, which was great. It can also be dreadful to watch when it is not run effectively.
So in that sense, it is basically like any other offensive system.
I do sometimes cringe when I see our big men receive the ball outside of the three point line. However, I like the way the system teaches complete basketball skills, which I think pays off in the long run and can really prepare a talented individual for the NBA.
As for what recruits think, whatever. There are always some things outside of our control. Our success should speak for itself, and hopefully it will get even better, with more deep NCAA runs and NBA stars. Hopefully we will attract smart, athletic, talented kids that are ready to put in the work. This is JT3's sytem, it's not going to change - my only hope is that he tweaks the system based on the talents of each group of players, which I think he did well last year.
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Post by jgalt on Aug 3, 2010 19:40:01 GMT -5
Once a team running the "princeton Offense" wins a national championship and then competes for a few in the following years it wont matter- because everyone will be trying to run the same system. The same would go for Calipari's system.
But if you look at the past five national champs none won because of a gimmicky system. They all won because they had superior talent (ok duke didnt compared to the country but they did compared to Butler), played well fundamentally, and gave it everything they had when they had too (and probably got a little lucky along the way).
Over time a system like JTIII's comes out on top. But its because at its most basic level his offense forces players to be fundamentally strong. Other systems rely on gimmicks to hide the weaknesses of the players (in my opinion Calipari uses speed to mask the poor defense or shooting of some of his players- not all, many were very good, but some).
If you look at the greatest coaches of this era- Izzo, Roy Williams, Few, Rick Barnes, and (ugh) Coach K (and you dont have to agree with that list, my point will still stand)- all have a coaching philosophy that determines they way their teams play, but their success is all about playing well fundamentally.
The failure of Calipari to win a national championship despite having the most talented teams over the past three years, depicts how fundamental play will, in the long run, beat out pure unbridled talent. The best players- those that WIN, and not just put up points- will recognize this. The players who only want to go to the NBA arent winners, they wont choose a system that focuses on developing fundamental skills, and I wouldnt want them on any team I root for.
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Post by MacHoya on Aug 3, 2010 19:59:00 GMT -5
Solid post by jgalt
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Post by GUMBA on Aug 4, 2010 8:44:59 GMT -5
For the record, I like the Princeton, err um, Georgetown Offense. But we all know that JTIII and others are fully aware of the negative things people say about it and how it is used against him in recruiting battles. Remember how Calipari described his "Dribble Drive" Memphis Motion Offense as "Princeton on steroids" www.coachlikeapro.com/memphis-motion-offense.html? That was when Georgetown was a Final Four team and perception was that you could win big with a Princeton-type system. Leave it to Calipari to use the term steroids in a positive way in sports. It will be interesting to see how the Georgetown Offense runs without a Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert or Greg Monroe up front. Not taking anything away from Julian who can make his share of good passes but we should be more guard oriented this season with such a breadth of talent in the back court. Everyone says that college basketball is a guard dominated game today. With all that talent and experience running the G-O, this year's team may surprise. |
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Post by smittydakid on Aug 4, 2010 10:09:38 GMT -5
Actually i hate the princeton offense but i'm a g-town fan, so I support whatever there running. 3yrs and 1 ncaa win with that system doesn't make me like it anymore. The most talented teams usually win but what system are they running. NC, Kansas,Duke,mich st get the talent because of coaching,prestige and system. Will the top players want to play in the princeton offense on a regular basis?
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Post by kchoya on Aug 4, 2010 10:11:30 GMT -5
Will the top players want to play in the princeton offense on a regular basis? You'd think getting the #1 HS player in Monroe would've stopped people from asking this inane question. |
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Post by the_way on Aug 4, 2010 11:24:06 GMT -5
Schemes are overrated.
Its not how good your scheme is, but how good the players are.
It comes down to what schools are putting players in the NBA. That is what most recruits look at. Then it comes down to how much does said-school win games every year, which means games on national television.
I like Herb, think he is a solid coach. Thought he got a raw deal at NC State. But, how many guys has he put into the NBA? How many Final Fours has he been to? How many conference championships has he won?
This is what recruits look at.
If slow, Princeton style basketball won championships and put players in the NBA, then you can land the big recruits.
In G-town's case, that has happened, with big men at least. With wings/guards, its another story. If Wright and Freeman happen to get into the NBA and do well, that will help with recruiting.
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Post by 71hoya on Aug 4, 2010 11:29:00 GMT -5
I think it is time for JT3 to call a press conference and announce that using the Princeton Offense was a big mistake and he will not be using it ever again. In its place he will use an up-tempo motion offense, making use of all of his players' speed, passing and shooting abilities. Learning this system will greatly increase each player's value in the NBA. It will be called the JT3 offense and while it may look like the Princeton Offense it is not. Georgetown will no longer run the Princeton Offense. (Actually, I don't think we have run it for the past 2 years)
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Post by smittydakid on Aug 4, 2010 14:51:03 GMT -5
I said on a regular basis not 1 guy. We've got 3 top guys in 5 yrs and have 1 final four. The message board acts like we go to the final four every other year. Announcers even question it during our games. It's not like most players are saying "I want to play in the princeton offense" They want to run like nc,kansas,ky. Until the princeton offense wins a title, it's like the run-shoot for football. Will the top players want to play in the princeton offense on a regular basis? You'd think getting the #1 HS player in Monroe would've stopped people from asking this inane question. |
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Post by harwoodhoya on Aug 4, 2010 15:08:23 GMT -5
I don't have a serious problem with the offense especially since it took us to the final four.
I just hate how kids I talk to really hate the offense. Like someone said if we run when we got opportunities the offense isn't bad. I would just like to see the bigs get more touches on the block!
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