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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 13, 2010 16:04:32 GMT -5
According to the HoyaReport Twitter account: asst dave cox accord to dc sources has left gtown or will soon for rutgers more on hoyareport.com later a week ago it was reported rice was interested in hiring him: web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100506&content_id=9849422&vkey=1a year ago this wouldn't have bothered me, but now this could cause some major damage to our recruiting.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on May 13, 2010 16:15:20 GMT -5
I am not sure it hurts our recruiting, as we don't have any commitments for 2011. It is a loss if Goodman heads elsewhere, but that is only a loss if you think he would have qualified, which seems like an open question at this point. He has seen more HS programs than Harvey Thomas.
You get a good assistant to light up the phones and that can be patched up in a hurry.
The program should look at any opening as an opportunity to improve. There are plenty of proven coaches out there who have worked at GU and have a proven record of success (cough...Jaren Jackson...cough...Kevin Broadus). Now, the Broadus mention is controversial, but JT3 is JT2's son and that may mean a willingness to give second chances.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 13, 2010 16:26:56 GMT -5
It could it won't definitely, but for 1) the general consensus at the time of goodman's commitment was that he was only coming to Georgetown for Cox. There's a pretty good chance he's gone now, but you're right there's a chance he may have never made it into a hoya uniform anyway. 2) Cox is being mentioned as the lead recruiter for most of our 2011 targets, i'm not sure if that's accurate, but I've definitely seen Christmas mention coach cox's name on twitter, so he is at least heavily involved in our recruiting. Having the main assitant you're in contact with leave a school can cause problems. It doesn't need to, but it could.
I hope we get someone good to replace him.
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Post by vcjack on May 13, 2010 16:30:39 GMT -5
I think Broadus may still be too toxic to touch and it may be more than just the Bing disaster. Remember back in 07 when DeGoia had to personally go to bat for the program when Thamel wrote his Egerson hatchet piece? And don't forget that GW still hasn't fully recovered from the academic scandals he was responsible for as an assistant.
If this is true, I'll make my uninformed advice to promote Matt Henry and move Prue or a recent alumni like Tyler to be the new DBO
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on May 13, 2010 16:35:39 GMT -5
There's no confirmation yet from GUHoyas - it must not be true.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 13, 2010 16:46:42 GMT -5
blogs.mycentraljersey.com/hoopshaven/Confrimation frm a rutgers blog Apparently he'll be associate head coach which would be a step up for him and apparently Rice was at Pitt at the same time he was.
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Post by SirSaxa on May 13, 2010 16:52:21 GMT -5
If he's been the point man on some of the big name recruits who've been listing us, that is going to be a problem. JT3 will have to scurry around to play some major catch-up. Hopefully, he's already started that as Cox's move can't have been a surprise.
I DO hope JT3 has someone in mind who can step in and ADD to our recruiting efforts... and right away too. We can't afford to lose any momentum at this critical time.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 13, 2010 16:55:37 GMT -5
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Post by RBHoya on May 13, 2010 16:55:54 GMT -5
Well the anti-TAUB folks will be happy. I can see why some would say that Cox's tenure at Georgetown was a disappointment, although I think a lot of that was out of his hands. Moving to RU--especially for an associate head coach spot--is a good move because he'll be able to actually exploit his best resource, the DCA pipeline, which he couldn't really exploit at GU due to the Pops/Curtis beef. Dalonte Hill has parlayed that exact same resource into being the highest paid assistant coach in the country. I don't blame Cox for trying to go somewhere else where he could try to do the same thing.
As I said Cox probably underachieved during his time at GU, mostly because Curtis wasn't going to be sending anybody our way. But he didn't really help us land anybody else, as we whiffed on just about all of our top targets in 2009 and 2010 except for Hollis, who we had laid the foundation for prior to Cox coming aboard (not sure if he played any role in that recruitment).
To sum it up... meh. Probably a good move for him and tough to say what it will do for us. Not going to help with Goodman or Cook for sure. The bigger question will be who we bring in and what kind of a recruiter they are and where they have ties. I'd be fine with us bringing in somebody who has strong ties in a different part of the country, but another local would be ok too. Just as long as it's somebody who really busts on the trail. I agree with those who suggest Broadus is probably untouchable at this point, but we basically need a guy LIKE him.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on May 13, 2010 16:59:53 GMT -5
That isn't a bad move if true. Prue was particularly well liked in the program before he left for Morgan State IIRC (may have been Bowie). I have some faith that he'll put in work, which is what we've been lacking on the trail.
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Post by calhoya on May 13, 2010 17:03:27 GMT -5
Please explain to this distant Hoya alum who Curtis is and what it means to our recruiting? I think that JT III needs to find someone with strong high school ties in the DC Metro area and hire a so-called recruiting specialist. I have watched that work over the years out West for several schools tht have to go up against the established national powers. Alford is doing it at New Mexico, Theus did it at NMSU, ditto for SDSU and UNLV programs.
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Post by calhoya on May 13, 2010 17:05:37 GMT -5
Also who or what is Taub and what is the significance of that reference?
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Post by vcjack on May 13, 2010 17:07:28 GMT -5
Please explain to this distant Hoya alum who Curtis is and what it means to our recruiting? I think that JT III needs to find someone with strong high school ties in the DC Metro area and hire a so-called recruiting specialist. I have watched that work over the years out West for several schools tht have to go up against the established national powers. Alford is doing it at New Mexico, Theus did it at NMSU, ditto for SDSU and UNLV programs. The gist was I believe that the DC Assault AAU guys were offended when Jeff Green signed with David Faulk rather than one of their guys so they blackisted Georgetown.
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Post by thejerseytornado on May 13, 2010 17:19:04 GMT -5
Taub was the fake name balla and others used for Cox in reference to the tv show House. The character Taub on house was something of a useless leech who added nothing: they saw the same in Cox.
Guess we'll see if that's true to some extent. I really just hope this doesn't hurt our stock with 2011 recruits too much.
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Post by calhoya on May 13, 2010 17:25:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the help in understanding the situation. I have always wondered who Taub was and why it was significant. Let's hope that he really was useless. Now JT III needs to get out there and find that recruiter who possess basketball credentials as a player and has the type of personality that will win over high school kids and their families. I hope that there is no temptation to bring in his brother. I don't think that would be good for the program.
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Post by idhoya on May 13, 2010 18:33:11 GMT -5
I'm happy for Prue; local cat who has put in the work and deserves the shot. Good dude from what I hear.
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Post by hoyaalf on May 13, 2010 21:54:27 GMT -5
O.K. I'm going to take a contrarian perspective mainly because I'm just contrary.
I want a replacement for this Taub person who is not Syd or Ron, and who begins his conversations with his targets with the winning line, "So what are you reading?"
I bet JTIII used it at Princeton. Those of you who fantasize about Ivory League membership, take note.
Most of our recent recruits seem to me to be able to deal with that question easily. The great thing is that any affirmative answer is a good answer.
More of the same is what is wanted. As Ambassador said, it's an opportunity to improve.
Ridicule now being accepted.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 14, 2010 7:06:35 GMT -5
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Post by skyhoya on May 14, 2010 7:55:54 GMT -5
It is a positive thing when assistant coaches move to another opportunity; it shows the quality of our staff and their development. The two articles both suggest he was hired to help with DC recruiting. Interesting, with all the talent in NJ & NY that Rutgers didn’t focus on that. WVU’s final four starters were all from NY and NJ. Until recently, a lot of Jamie Dixon’s talent was from the same area. Is the grass greener in DC?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 14, 2010 8:21:19 GMT -5
1) I think Rice's history with Cox is what played a huge part in his getting the job. 2) The other huge part was that 2 other assistants turned down the job before he got the offer.
I think these two reasons contributed more than anything else.
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