Positionally Speaking

[SFHoya99]

So what positions are really in play? Taking a look at the future, I'll try to classify each of the players as I see them and according to need. My ideal roster is 5 Bigs/5 Guards/3 Wings with some wiggle on the latter and at least two point capable guards who can play.

I'm assuming Goodman shows up as a freshman in 2011-2012 and plays as a very large wing (for the moment).

Position	2011	2012	2013
Bigs	4	3	2
Wings	3	4	4
Points	2	1	1
Other Guards	3	2	1

I'm being very conservative with the point designation - Chris and Markel are the only ones who get it. Which probably isn't fair to Jason and Vee.

So, to me, what our needs are are fairly apparent:

1) From a sheer quantity standpoint, we need to focus on a big and a guard at minimum. After this year, we're down to three total guards and then two (Markel and Vee) after that.

In short, though some have questioned the need for Tyrone Johnson or Quinn Cook, it's there.

2) From a quality standpoint, Big is a real concern. Julian graduates after this year, and so our "3" for next year include three unproven players. Not that a freshman will necessarily help next year, but long term, sometimes players never develop. Not aggressively going after multiple bigs puts huge pressure on Moses and Nate to be good, and fairly fast.

3) Wing depends a lot on Goodman and Bowen, both unknown quantities for a variety of reasons. The good news is that we likely have Hollis for at least the next two years as a quality player. But the depth may end up coming from guard. And there's not enough depth here for them to support the bigs like we have in the past with Bowman and Summers.

We have four scholarships for 2011, at minimum. I'd say you have to go PG-capable G/2 bigs/wing if you can.

[hoyaboya]

Goodman's obviously the wild card in the bunch...will he be eligible, what class is he (2011 or 2012) and what position will he play (wing or face-up 4)? All are legit questions at this point, so it's very difficult to project re: schollies/position needs.

That said, I'd like to see the breakout for the class of 2011 be similar to what SF suggests. My choices:

G: Tyrone Johnson
F: Mychael Henry
F: Jordan Goodman
C: Rakeem Christmas

That would be a top 10 class nationally. Could swap Chol in there for Henry and move Goodman to the other F position...also would be able to do that with Katenda as well. Lots of good options at this point. Will III close the deal?

[RDF]

Goodman and his coaches have repeatedly said he's a class of '12 recruit. So the speculation about him coming in '11 is just that--it's not going to happen and he is going to be a recruit who is like Braswell was--and it'll be close if he makes it--due to qualifying.

[hoyaboya]

RDF, thanks for the clarification on Goodman. OK, assuming he's a 2012 guy, my 2011 recruiting priority depth chart would look something like this:

G: Tyrone Johnson
WG/SF: Mychael Henry, Nick Faust
F: Angelo Chol, Eric Katenda, Michael Hopkins, Jacob Lawson, Bernard Sullivan
C: Rakeem Christmas, Jordan O., Deng Leek

I haven't listed guys that I would consider extreme longshots (Q. Miller, O. Cook, J. O'Bryant, B. Dawson).

Looking at this list, Johnson seems to be critical as there aren't a lot of pure guards that we seem to be in on right now.

[idhoya]

I don't consider JOB a longshot, but okay.

[RDF]

Apr 27, 2010 11:03:09 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

RDF, thanks for the clarification on Goodman. OK, assuming he's a 2012 guy, my 2011 recruiting priority depth chart would look something like this:

G: Tyrone Johnson
WG/SF: Mychael Henry, Nick Faust
F: Angelo Chol, Eric Katenda, Michael Hopkins, Jacob Lawson, Bernard Sullivan
C: Rakeem Christmas, Jordan O., Deng Leek

I haven't listed guys that I would consider extreme longshots (Q. Miller, O. Cook, J. O'Bryant, B. Dawson).

Looking at this list, Johnson seems to be critical as there aren't a lot of pure guards that we seem to be in on right now.

Some of the guys you consider "longshots" are guys the program is aggressively pursuing and involved with right now. To say they are extreme longshots is not accurate.

2 of the guys on your " priority list" at F aren't even being recruited by the program anymore. Nick Faust is far down the line of recruits we're actively recruiting.

[hoyaboya]

Apr 27, 2010 14:25:40 GMT -5 RDF said:

Apr 27, 2010 11:03:09 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

RDF, thanks for the clarification on Goodman. OK, assuming he's a 2012 guy, my 2011 recruiting priority depth chart would look something like this:

G: Tyrone Johnson
WG/SF: Mychael Henry, Nick Faust
F: Angelo Chol, Eric Katenda, Michael Hopkins, Jacob Lawson, Bernard Sullivan
C: Rakeem Christmas, Jordan O., Deng Leek

I haven't listed guys that I would consider extreme longshots (Q. Miller, O. Cook, J. O'Bryant, B. Dawson).

Looking at this list, Johnson seems to be critical as there aren't a lot of pure guards that we seem to be in on right now.

Some of the guys you consider "longshots" are guys the program is aggressively pursuing and involved with right now. To say they are extreme longshots is not accurate.

2 of the guys on your " priority list" at F aren't even being recruited by the program anymore. Nick Faust is far down the line of recruits we're actively recruiting.

OK, Coach, so who aren't we recruiting any more from this list?

And I'll believe the others aren't longshots when they start saying lots of positive things about the Hoyas. O'Bryant has said nice things, but he also said he won't sign until the spring of his senior year and lists tons of SEC schools closer to him as well as Georgetown. Miller is a pipe dream and Dawson won't leave the Midwest. I really hope the staff isn't putting much time on either of those guys.

[rustyshackleford]

Apr 27, 2010 22:17:38 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

Apr 27, 2010 14:25:40 GMT -5 RDF said:

Some of the guys you consider "longshots" are guys the program is aggressively pursuing and involved with right now. To say they are extreme longshots is not accurate.

2 of the guys on your " priority list" at F aren't even being recruited by the program anymore. Nick Faust is far down the line of recruits we're actively recruiting.

OK, Coach, so who aren't we recruiting any more from this list?

And I'll believe the others aren't longshots when they start saying lots of positive things about the Hoyas. O'Bryant has said nice things, but he also said he won't sign until the spring of his senior year and lists tons of SEC schools closer to him as well as Georgetown. Miller is a pipe dream and Dawson won't leave the Midwest. I really hope the staff isn't putting much time on either of those guys.

I'm guessing Hopkins and Katenda are the two he thinks we aren't recruiting -- I don't know if that's true but I do know some board members are pretty unimpressed by Hopkins (even though fans at other schools love him). I do agree Faust isn't too much of a priority right now which is a shame in my opinion.

I don't disagree with the idea that we shouldn't hold our breath about Miller or Dawson even though they've both mentioned us and are great players. JOB is a different case and I think we have a chance especially as it might be the first bit of a Greg pipeline. That may be wishful thinking though.

[HoyasAreHungry]

RT @qcook323 I'm interested to see where my bro's @hooprdie11 (Johny O'bryant) and @rakeemchristmas gonna go. I'm trynna go w/ them. RiP DAD! Let's do it!!!

They want to play together...who's the only school that they all have on their lists? hmmm sounds like a possibility to me....

somewhat silly but that's from them not made up and who knows if that actually comes to fruition but interesting nonetheless

o'bryants visiting this weekend, rak's been here a bunch already, cooks in the area

dont know much about dawson but seems like there is mutual interest whether or not he ultimately wants to come here or not

bottom line...the staff has been putting in some very good work with the 11 and 12 class. I'm very much encouraged from what i've heard and seen from their efforts

[RDF]

Katenda is being recruited. Hopkins is not being pursued very aggressively and it's tailed off since his mediocre JR season, Faust isn't a serious option at all, Bernard Sullivan isn't being targeted at all.

Quincy Miller is going to be recruited--one of his best friends just signed with Georgetown, he has been in contact with Georgetown since last year--and in his last 3 updates--with sites NOT affiliated with Georgetown-he's mentioned them first each time. Does that mean he's coming? No--but it does mean they are involved a bit more then you give them credit for.

Dawson has done same--but agree--Purdue has to be considered favorite, still you don't throw in towel just because it looks bad--you stay in recruitment and keep recruiting along with recruiting other players.

Johnny O'Bryant might take his time and sign in Spring--so you give up on him? Why would you do that? Because it might take some time? Ridiculous.

You listed people who aren't even being recruited by program anymore or get form letters and you seem to forget that at this time in Greg Monroe's recruitment he was ticketed to Durham or Baton Rouge and Georgetown "was wasting their time" according to experts. You can't win a fight if you don't throw a punch. Certainly don't win if you quit.

Why the smart ass response just because you were corrected? If you are going to post something that is inaccurate--expect to be corrected and if you don't even know that a future recruit has a long ways to go to qualify for the '12 season--and has repeatedly said he's going to be a '12 recruit--yet you list him as an '11 option, then think you should LISTEN to the "coach" and pull your head out of your behind. ;D