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Post by hifigator on Apr 23, 2010 10:23:10 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised no one has started one of these yet. In any case, what were your thoughts on the draft last night?
Generally, I tend to be "against" the sort of "made for tv" pseudo-sports events. But I've got to admit that I think that the new format for the NFL draft is a big improvement. For the true fan -- either of college football, pro football or a specific team competing in either -- I can't help but think that last night was intriguing at the very least. Also, I think the spacing is almost perfect with the 2nd and 3rd rounds tonight and then concluding tomorrow. I guess the greedy fan in me is happy to not have the "most important" part of the draft happen during and ruin a Saturday afternooon when the weather is typically conducive to some of the year's new season of outdoor activities. Additionally, being on a Thursday night when there are NBA and NHL playoffs going on, certainly helps fill some of the dead time between picks. I also think that the new format makes today very interesting. I think the potential for buckets of trades today as well as a still intriguing pool of players yet to be drafted is very appetizing.
All in all, I have to give this change an A+.
Thoughts?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2010 10:44:04 GMT -5
Awful. I loved draft Saturday. This sucks.
If you don't love the draft enough to give up a Saturday, you're not much of a fan.
On the other hand, I love the Broncos drafting Tebow. Way to waste a first-rounder, Denver! The Chargers may never lose the West with the folks running the competition out here.
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Post by hifigator on Apr 23, 2010 11:01:14 GMT -5
SF, I guess I could see your point. Basically, you like the "all-day" event and looked forward to your football fix in early spring. And now the Saturday part of the draft will certainly be watered down a bit. I see that. Still, overall, I absolutely love the new format. The interest and intrigue has never been better. It also helps limp by an otherwise dragging Thursday and Friday at the office.
As for the Tebow pick, only time will tell. It really wasn't a "stretch" as by the time the draft finally got here, Tebow was a late first/early second prediction. I honestly think that the Patriots were planning on taking him. They kep trading down a few picks, stockpiling other draft picks, I think their intention all along was to take Tebow. I think they thought that as long as Clausen was still on the board, and as long as they could "control" the small number of picks before it was their turn, they could have their cake and eat it too. But I don't think they anticipated Denver doing just the exact opposite. With Orton and Quinn already in the mix, I just don't think they were expecting the Broncos to jump ahead of them. Whether or not Tebow is a success won't be known for a while. But I wouldn't bet against him.
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Post by RDF on Apr 23, 2010 11:26:09 GMT -5
Yeah--because Belichick taking UF players has been so great prior to Tebow. His friendship with Meyer clouds his judgement and the worst Patriots draft pick in last 10 years was/is Chad Jackson--the guy was a complete chicken in college-the infamous "slide" in Peach Bowl still was one of the most cowardly plays I'd ever seen and when Pats took him--just could see the flop coming.
Tebow is going to be a complete bust. People get caught up in college football and the "myth" of Tebow. He was CREATED by the media. He is talked about as the "great leader/winner" which is partially true--but Ken Dorsey, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, lost less games COMBINED as starting QB's and are any of them great NFL QB's? When you are at a big time school the QB gets credit for being a "leader" when in reality--all he has to do is get the ball to playmakers who are real talent.
I'm on record saying if you really watched CFB-you wouldn't even draft Colt McCoy. He wasn't just average against good competition--he was awful. If I hear the Drew Brees comparison one more time, I'll puke. He's NOT Brees. Brees didn't have NFL talent around him--he made average players better and threw the ball downfield. McCoy threw a lot of short stuff and when he faced complicated/NFL schemes--he was lost. Nebraska made him look horrible, Oklahoma and Venables made him look terrible. He doesn't do well against pressure and he's not an NFL caliber QB.
The best QB prospects in this bad QB draft are Bradford, Sean Canfeld from Oregon State--who will do well like Matt Moore is in Carolina, LeFevor from Central Michigan, and some small school guy that is accurate that we've not seen because he never played on television.
Notre Dame and Texas best NFL QB prospects are still on campus--Dayne Crist and Garrett Gilbert. Jake Locker is everything Tebow is said to be--but actually is more athletic/talented. If you took him off Washington's team--they don't win a game--been proven. If you trade him for Tebow--nothing changes-for Florida.
Potential for biggest bust pick--Trent Williams to the Skins. Always got a personal foul or two in games and it never changed. He was horrendous against good competition and wasnt he playing LT in the year Bradford got pummeled? Just saying. Williams highlight package consisted of showing him block OLB and LB's--not DE's--and his only saving grace is that he can play OG--which is where I'd play him.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2010 12:04:05 GMT -5
Tebow is not a good 1st round pick.
The problem with the media's evaluation of Tebow is this: his big selling point is that if he fails at QB, he can contribute other ways. It's been said so much that they seem to believe it mitigates his extremely high bust factor.
Umm, so here's the thing. A freakishly athletic, four year starter at H Back isn't a first round pick. And no one leads their team as a backup QB or H Back. So there's almost no value in Tebow's "versatility" or "leadership" if he isn't a starting quarterback. Certainly nothing more than seventh round value and more likely UDFA value.
He has to start at QB to be really worth anything. And the chances of that are low. He's redone his throwing motion several times only to lose it when the games start.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 23, 2010 12:13:56 GMT -5
Chiefs got Eric Berry -- very happy they didn't pick one of the 82 offensive tackles in the first round.
I think the media may get caught up in Tebow, but I'm sure the NFL guys didn't. All they care about is if they think he can play.
Except for Mr. fist-pump-4-games-into-the-season Josh McDaniels.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2010 12:25:05 GMT -5
Chiefs got a good one in Berry -- if they had made a stupid pick, I'd be in AFC West heaven.
I think Rolando McClain will be fine, but a LB, Oakland? Really? They already have a strong defense and I don't see him as a true impact player there.
The Broncos are doing god knows what, but as much as I hated Cutler and Marshall as a player and a person, respectfully, McDaniels is apparently trying to destroy that team.
The Chargers got who they wanted, and I see a star in Matthews. Add in the fact that he's a RB (the position most likely to make an impact) and can go out of the backfield as well as do both the speed and power thing, and I was very happy with the pick.
The cost might have been too much. I've ended up regretting it almost every time Smith moves up (wait, every time). Not sure if this will mirror it because in the past he's both paid too much and overdrafted. This time I feel he just paid too much.
Smith needs this one, anyway. He hasn't really had a strong draft since Buddy Nix left, leaving open the question of who was really so damn good anyway. Last few first rounders have been not so special after a string of fantastic picks. We'll see.
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Post by Boz on Apr 23, 2010 12:36:33 GMT -5
I LOVE the Tebow pick..........for the Baltimore Ravens.
Basically, Baltimore got from Denver all of the 3rd and 4th round draft picks they gave up to Arizona for Anquan Boldin. Plus, Denver's spots in those later rounds are better than what the Ravens gave up.
In other words, with their first pick in the 2010 NFL draft, the Ravens select....Anquan Boldin.
Ozzie Newsome = knows what he's playing at!
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Post by hifigator on Apr 23, 2010 13:29:56 GMT -5
I knew this would rapidly evolve into a Tebow discussion -- something I was trying to avoid.
The draft in general, I think was a success ... at least as a marketing entity. I haven't seen any early Nielson numbers, but from the people I have heard comment, the viewership should be pretty high. From the admittedly not scientific sample of personal experience, I don't ever remember watching the draft "as a family." But last night we ended up pretty much doing that. My wife was on the computer, but she was paying casual attention. My youngest daughter and my son were in the living room with me watching the draft. Sure, we would click over to the NBA game as well as checking in with vs. for hockey updates. But still, it was an event that a relatively diverse group watched and enjoyed. I'm wondering if that will be reflected in National numbers.
As for the Tebow pick, what jumps out at me is just how many people have a strong opinion one way or the other. That RDF has a strong view, isn't really surprising. Hell, he's adament about paper or plastic at the grocery store. He's vehemently vocal on which friggin sock you "should" put on first. But in all seriousness, there are a handful of players every single year that may or may not make it in the NFL and if they do, with drastically varying levels of success. And Tebow is certainly on the list. My opinion is that Tebow will be a successful QB at the next level. I'm not saying superstar, but I fully expect him to be a functional quarterback for the next decade. He simply has that "it." If you break it down, from the "numbers" angle: Tebow has a very strong arm; Tebow has good-very good speed: Tebow is a very strong runner for a QB; Tebow has the size and frame that the NFL likes and wants in its QBs. From a more skills angle: Tebow makes excellent decisions and has taken care of the ball, both as a runner and as a passer. From the intangibles angle, Tebow passes with flying colors. Tebow is a proven winner at every level and a proven leader -- something that translates very well to the pro game. So the only real question marks are Tebow's throwing motion and whether or not he can effectively operate from under center. As for the motion, RDF said something about Tebow having changed it numerous times. That is utter hogwash. While his throwing motion was a concern all along, it wasn't addressed until this very off season. Meyer brought in Loeffler from the Detroit Lions prior to Tebow's senior season. The rumors were that he was brought in specifically to get Tehow ready for the next level. But in actuality, no changes were made until just a couple of months ago. Is it a concern? Cerainly, but is it an automatic deal-breaker? Certainly not. As for being under center, that is just something that Tebow will have to adjust to. That is no big deal.
I'm not sure why RDF et al. want Tebow to fail, but such a view is absurdly common. Fortunately, guys like Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden have forgotten more football than RDF and Mel Kiper ever knew.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 23, 2010 13:43:32 GMT -5
I knew this would rapidly evolve into a Tebow discussion -- something I was trying to avoid. The draft in general, I think was a success ... at least as a marketing entity. I haven't seen any early Nielson numbers, but from the people I have heard comment, the viewership should be pretty high. From the admittedly not scientific sample of personal experience, I don't ever remember watching the draft "as a family." But last night we ended up pretty much doing that. My wife was on the computer, but she was paying casual attention. My youngest daughter and my son were in the living room with me watching the draft. Sure, we would click over to the NBA game as well as checking in with vs. for hockey updates. But still, it was an event that a relatively diverse group watched and enjoyed. I'm wondering if that will be reflected in National numbers. As for the Tebow pick, what jumps out at me is just how many people have a strong opinion one way or the other. That RDF has a strong view, isn't really surprising. Hell, he's adament about paper or plastic at the grocery store. He's vehemently vocal on which friggin sock you "should" put on first. But in all seriousness, there are a handful of players every single year that may or may not make it in the NFL and if they do, with drastically varying levels of success. And Tebow is certainly on the list. My opinion is that Tebow will be a successful QB at the next level. I'm not saying superstar, but I fully expect him to be a functional quarterback for the next decade. He simply has that "it." If you break it down, from the "numbers" angle: Tebow has a very strong arm; Tebow has good-very good speed: Tebow is a very strong runner for a QB; Tebow has the size and frame that the NFL likes and wants in its QBs. From a more skills angle: Tebow makes excellent decisions and has taken care of the ball, both as a runner and as a passer. From the intangibles angle, Tebow passes with flying colors. Tebow is a proven winner at every level and a proven leader -- something that translates very well to the pro game. So the only real question marks are Tebow's throwing motion and whether or not he can effectively operate from under center. As for the motion, RDF said something about Tebow having changed it numerous times. That is utter hogwash. While his throwing motion was a concern all along, it wasn't addressed until this very off season. Meyer brought in Loeffler from the Detroit Lions prior to Tebow's senior season. The rumors were that he was brought in specifically to get Tehow ready for the next level. But in actuality, no changes were made until just a couple of months ago. Is it a concern? Cerainly, but is it an automatic deal-breaker? Certainly not. As for being under center, that is just something that Tebow will have to adjust to. That is no big deal. I'm not sure why RDF et al. want Tebow to fail, but such a view is absurdly common. Fortunately, guys like Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden have forgotten more football than RDF and Mel Kiper ever knew. So was Eric Crouch...where is he now?
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Post by kchoya on Apr 23, 2010 14:04:03 GMT -5
I knew this would rapidly evolve into a Tebow discussion -- something I was trying to avoid. The draft in general, I think was a success ... at least as a marketing entity. I haven't seen any early Nielson numbers, but from the people I have heard comment, the viewership should be pretty high. From the admittedly not scientific sample of personal experience, I don't ever remember watching the draft "as a family." But last night we ended up pretty much doing that. My wife was on the computer, but she was paying casual attention. My youngest daughter and my son were in the living room with me watching the draft. Sure, we would click over to the NBA game as well as checking in with vs. for hockey updates. But still, it was an event that a relatively diverse group watched and enjoyed. I'm wondering if that will be reflected in National numbers. As for the Tebow pick, what jumps out at me is just how many people have a strong opinion one way or the other. That RDF has a strong view, isn't really surprising. Hell, he's adament about paper or plastic at the grocery store. He's vehemently vocal on which friggin sock you "should" put on first. But in all seriousness, there are a handful of players every single year that may or may not make it in the NFL and if they do, with drastically varying levels of success. And Tebow is certainly on the list. My opinion is that Tebow will be a successful QB at the next level. I'm not saying superstar, but I fully expect him to be a functional quarterback for the next decade. He simply has that "it." If you break it down, from the "numbers" angle: Tebow has a very strong arm; Tebow has good-very good speed: Tebow is a very strong runner for a QB; Tebow has the size and frame that the NFL likes and wants in its QBs. From a more skills angle: Tebow makes excellent decisions and has taken care of the ball, both as a runner and as a passer. From the intangibles angle, Tebow passes with flying colors. Tebow is a proven winner at every level and a proven leader -- something that translates very well to the pro game. So the only real question marks are Tebow's throwing motion and whether or not he can effectively operate from under center. As for the motion, RDF said something about Tebow having changed it numerous times. That is utter hogwash. While his throwing motion was a concern all along, it wasn't addressed until this very off season. Meyer brought in Loeffler from the Detroit Lions prior to Tebow's senior season. The rumors were that he was brought in specifically to get Tehow ready for the next level. But in actuality, no changes were made until just a couple of months ago. Is it a concern? Cerainly, but is it an automatic deal-breaker? Certainly not. As for being under center, that is just something that Tebow will have to adjust to. That is no big deal. I'm not sure why RDF et al. want Tebow to fail, but such a view is absurdly common. Fortunately, guys like Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden have forgotten more football than RDF and Mel Kiper ever knew. So was Eric Crouch...where is he now? Eric Crouch was nowhere near the passer Tebow was. Tebow put up insane passing numbers. I'm a Husker diehard and love Crouch, but he was not a passing QB.
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Post by hifigator on Apr 23, 2010 14:08:28 GMT -5
(Man, I hate actually taking brasky seriously. That's like a cardinal sin.) In any case ...
There's no doubt that the past is littered with QB busts -- guys who didn't meet the expectations of their draft spot. I'm not sure Eric Crouch is the best example, because if I remember correctly, he gave back his signing bonus when he dedided not to play anymore.
In any case, Crouch was a talented athlete, but not remotely like Tebow. Crouch was a fast, option quarterback in the traditional sense. He almost never threw the ball and never threw a "normal:" pass play.
Tebow ran the spread offense, which is closer to the west coast offense than it is to the traditional triple option running attack. The principle of Meyer's spread is that the defense must account for the quarterback as a runner. In that regard the offenses have similarities. But they pretty much end there. Meyer's offense also features both a spread passing attack, similar to that of June Jones, formerly of Hawaii as well as a verticle attack. Tebow was effective in all areas of the offense. I don't want to beat this into the ground, but the point is that the Crouch-Tebow parallel isn't really appropriate. But I will meet you halfway insofar as admitting that college success doesn't directly translate to pro success. Similary, being a statistical champion in college doesn't automatically translate to an NFL achiever either.
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Post by Boz on Apr 23, 2010 14:57:22 GMT -5
I have nothing against Tebow, but he ain't worth three draft picks. Denver got snookered.
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Post by RDF on Apr 23, 2010 14:59:16 GMT -5
Jon Gruden loves EVERY QB who walks the planet and thinks they are all "worth developing"--look at his roster in Tampa.
Dungy--yeah he knows all--he's GOD walking the Earth.
What I don't get is why so many fans of players/schools can't understand the difference between college/NFL football? I've got no dog in the Tebow fight--other then to just make observations based on what I've seen--which is a kid who has no NFL QB skills. What does Tebow do well that will translate to the NFL? Does he read defenses? No. Does he have NFL accuracy? Has he taken snaps from under center? No. Is he an elite Michael Vick like athlete running? No--he's a good athlete-but he's not someone who is going to hurt teams running.
I think Tebow seems like a nice kid and was a great college QB. So was Colt McCoy. So was Ken Dorsey. Matt Leinart. Vince Young. Brady Quinn. I don't see all of the fans of those schools going nuts because people say they aren't good NFL QB's and I ragged on them too. It's just part of being able to seperate yourself from what someone is doing on an uneven playing field--where the Miami's, USC's, Texas, and Florida's have advantages (at least those QB's did) compared to what other guys have. Watching Tebow play QB was great for Gator fans---but he's highly overrated due to intangibles--which don't matter as much as whether you can play or not. He will get his shot to prove me and the doubters wrong-but when he's horrible and out of Football working for sEcSPN as a college analyst--don't say you weren't warned. I told you that Tebow was great fit for what Urban Meyer wanted to run at Florida and was correct, also told you that Chris Leak was awful and wouldn't get a sniff in NFL and how did that turn out? Ken Dorsey makes a great QB coach as a backup--but he can't play--he's not capable of doing anything at the level needed. Steve Walsh was the same--but they played for my favorite team and were some of my favorite players--it's not a knock on them--it's just basing it off skill/projecting reality.
You can't make someone into something they are not. Tebow isn't talented enough to make throws under pressure into tight fits at the NFL level and it'll show.
As for "experts"--sometimes they don't watch enough college football and base too much off one game. For goodness sake Ron Jawarski is hyping Jonathan Crompton as a "Tom Brady" type. If that isn't proof that a good FB mind doesn't know all, don't know what else I can say to prove it to you.
Don't worry though Hifi--your Tebow Jersey will go nicely with your cut off jean shorts and Gator thong--and you'll have the memories of him at Florida, which is what was his job--not to be an NFL star--but this is going to end up like most of your NFL projections-some of you guys love to throw your shots but then when I end up correct--the silence is as golden as the stains on your thongs from hoping you can prove me wrong. Ask Ed how his Favre shots ended up when the Bumpkin Boy did his thing as I said he would. I never waiver when I truly believe in something and if I'm wrong--I'll be first to credit Tebow-but I think it's very fitting that he went to a team that I said would end up doing nothing when everyone was telling me to eat crap about the start of the season with the "fist pumping" dork running around celebrating September wins.
As to what you thought New England was going to do--well thanks for reading the tea leaves and having nothing to base it off. If that's case--why did you go absurdly off kilter when I stated that Urban Meyer made up the illness story and you have no facts to support that I'm wrong just as I don't have any to support then I'm right--well other then he returned to work for Spring Practice, called recruits, made 3 television interviews, held a presser, coached the bowl game..........
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2010 17:04:23 GMT -5
When a player goes from HS to college, it's important to focus on what he CAN do rather than what he CAN'T in order to get a good evaluation. You can get by with weaknesses in college sports and have time to improve upon them.
When a player goes from college to the pros, it's the opposite. What a player CAN'T do is more important. The development curve is much more gradual here, and there's less places to hide.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 23, 2010 20:11:28 GMT -5
I thought the first round "made for TV" idea work out well. Now im not really a big NFL guy or draft guy and only watch casually, but i thought it worked out.
But tonight, as i have been watching during commercials of the Caps game, has been an awful awful joke. I have seen more draft picks occur during commercials on ESPN then i have seen call by Goodell. If you are going to televise something then actually show it. Tonights broadcast has just been Mel Kiper shouting about things i dont care about while teams make their picks. It is a joke.
Also very surprised McCoy hasnt gone yet/went so low (remember im not really watching, last i saw was he hadnt gone by like 66). Someone will get a steal of a third rounder. I however believe LeFavour will be the best QB of this draft: he will likely go late and be a back up so he can develop, also there is little hype and little pressure on him. All the right makings of a good career for a QB.
Also i love my cowboys pickin up Dez Bryant. Definitely a minor "steal" there.
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Post by hifigator on Apr 24, 2010 0:01:19 GMT -5
RDF, I have to agree with you on the draft show tonight. Granted, I missed a lot of it since I was at the Gator baseball game for a couple of hours, but the last couple of hours that I did see a lot of, were not as interesting as yesterday. To a degree you expect that as you progress into the later rounds, but I think it was more than that. For one, there didn't seem to be hardly any trades. That takes out a lot of the storylines as the night moves along. Even more telling is the fact that there were quite a lot of Gator connections tonight, and I still went "meh" for the most part. I will have to reserve final ruling ... a sort of "previous opinion being under further review."
As for Tebow, I agree that there are concerns and certainly things he needs to work on. I don't worry too much about the "under center" issue. I also think that the drop/loop in his motion has been/will continue to be addressed. Will it be enough? We don't know yet. As for reading defenses, that is certainly a concern for ALL QBs advancing to the next level. Some do so more rapidly than others. This is the game "slowing down" comment that you hear so often from almost all new NFL Quarterbacks. As for accuracy questions, I think it would be more a question of consistency. But he was very able to make throws when he needed to. There were a good half dozen throws against Bama and Oklahoma his junior year where his precision and accuracy were obvious. Granted, a handful of throws don't answer the question either way. But the blanket dismissal because of "system" or some of these other issues is what I have a problem with. I see a lot of potential, much realized but much untapped as well. I know he has the demeanor and dedication to do what it takes to get better as well as an interest in learning and developing. You've mentioned Vince Young several times. I think he's a good example of what I am talking about right now. When he came out, his critics were endless. A couple of years later, he has learned a lot and was immensely better. Will he continue to develop? Time will tell.
As for our abilities to correctly predict based on our current intellect ... well, you certainly have some selective memory. You also vociferously predicted "at least 5 losses" for the Gator team that won the Title in 2006-07. I said 2 max. You still owe me on that one by the way, but you're good for it. On my end, among others, I was very clear in my decision that Durant was the pick not Oden. Granted, Greg has had injury issues and may very well become a superstar. But a couple of years ago, everyone was talking about Durant's lack of benchpress. While it was absurdly low, I specifically remember saying "yeah, but the ball really isn't that heavy."
Boz, as for Tebow not being worth the 3 draft picks, I wouldn't argue and in fact, I think that is almost always true. The only reason it turns out to not be true is the misuse of the draft picks anyway. If the evaluation process was more precise, then almost no one would be worth the extra 3 picks, because those picks would all turn into contributing players. It's a sort of self fulfilling argument. Lastly, I also think that Bryant was a good pick in that spot. But I just heard today -- don't know how legitimate -- that some number of teams didn't even have him on their board at all. Apparently he has an irregular heartbeat. Again, I don't know how serious, but that could certainly have caused his drop, if it's true.
Lastly,
SF wrote:
When a player goes from HS to college, it's important to focus on what he CAN do rather than what he CAN'T in order to get a good evaluation. You can get by with weaknesses in college sports and have time to improve upon them.
When a player goes from college to the pros, it's the opposite. What a player CAN'T do is more important. The development curve is much more gradual here, and there's less places to hide.
I wouldn't argue that. If this pertains to Tebow, however, my question would be what is it that Tebow "can't do?" He has a strong arm, which will only get better with the new motion. There's no denying that his passes weren't pretty. There were few tight spirals. But with the new motion, his passes were much "prettier." Logic would suggest a greater learing curve given that's the case.
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Post by RDF on Apr 24, 2010 1:17:26 GMT -5
Just glad I wasn't the only one to see how overrated Colt McCoy was--he's someone I honestly wouldn't have drafted at all--but maybe he'll be the "great winner" he was at Texas.
Why do QB's get attributed with the "wins" and nobody else on the team does? Just saying.
Loved Belichick getting Brandon Spikes--he has the attitude and toughness the Patriots need to get back--he plays with an edge--good pick. Linebackers shouldn't be nice guys.
ESPN's coverage is horrible. Berman is so despised by the masses it's beyond hilarious to watch him use the same tired lines and only people who laugh are his cronies that are as lost as he is.
How in the hell did Durant/Oden get thrown into the discussion about NFL football? Oh wait, it came from a guy who supports a school that has nothing to do with this site. Nevermind.
Vince Young still sucks. He sucked last year too. He'll always suck as an NFL QB. Vince Young is also a better athlete then Tebow and better runner then Tebow and he's been banged up trying to run in NFL--and Tebow's "running style" will have him on IR if he tries that bullcrap in NFL. Waving your arms as a QB in NFL doesn't equate to a lot and to get the respect of the lockeroom--you have to be a player who does something in the NFL. This "Rah Rah" stuff doesn't mean a damn thing to anyone in Denver's lockeroom.
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Post by RDF on Apr 24, 2010 1:22:09 GMT -5
"Selective Memory" is when someone doesn't admit they were wrong about something. I do so and always have. Only thing more given is when Florida loses--and your disappearing act that makes David Blaine look amateur. Did I not say I was wrong and congratulate Florida for winning/proving me wrong. That usually is what someone does when they admit they are wrong--not run and hide but why would I expect someone of your ignorance to understand the meaning of a term?
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Apr 24, 2010 11:27:55 GMT -5
RDF, you totally missed my point. You "supported" your views on Tebow and other things with past examples of when you were right and others were wrong. I agreed with some of your concerns on Tebow. I also pointed out a couple of instances in the past where I was ultimately proven right while your predictive abilities came up a tad short. That's all I'm saying. I intentionally chose one which dealt with the Gators -- 2006-07 season -- and one which didn't -- Durant/Oden. And then you come up with some lofted barb in my direction for .... well, once again for no reason other than it's me. That's all I was saying.
As for Young, I think "sucks" is a bit extreme. The Titans had quite an adjustment to make with Young taking over. In that regard, they did a good job. The real question though is whether and how they can build on the improvements they made in the second half of last season. In any case, the point here is that regardless of how good or bad any of us think Vince Young is, there's no denying the dramatically different quarterback that we saw last year from 2 years ago.
Lastly, as for Tebow's running style, I have never argued the points you make. I have never claimed that Tebow would translate into a running QB in the NFL. As for the leadership question, I do disagree to a point. Tebow will be "good" for a locker room. He will be "good" for the practice field. He will be "good" for the team and its attitude overall. I stand by that opinion and you can stand by yours.
Finally, RDF: Waving your arms as a QB in NFL doesn't equate to a lot and to get the respect of the lockeroom
I don't know about that ... Peyton Manning is the biggest arm waver and I think he has quite a bit of respect. But I do know what you are saying.
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