MCIGuy
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 19:21:55 GMT -5
Post by MCIGuy on Apr 11, 2010 19:21:55 GMT -5
It seems that all the talk has been about the Big Three (including whether Greg returns), Jason, Julian, Markel, Nate and Moses in terms of the keys for the team's fortunes next season. But what about Hollis?
Could Hollis take a big step forward next season? What's his potential? What part of his game has to improve? And if he blows up and elevates his game next season what will that mean for the team? Could Hollis be the X factor next year?
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lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 19:29:02 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Apr 11, 2010 19:29:02 GMT -5
HOLLIS WILL BE A STUD he got so much more comfortable not just with the three but d and rebbies and steals etc he is a player little more strenght and confidence and wowowoow we do seem to forget him dont we GO HOLLIS YES ;D ;D
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 19:43:09 GMT -5
Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 11, 2010 19:43:09 GMT -5
I mean at this point hollis has to improve everything. I think he will and will be very good for us next year.
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 19:47:00 GMT -5
Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 11, 2010 19:47:00 GMT -5
If he takes Jason's spot he has made the leap.
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 19:58:34 GMT -5
Post by strummer8526 on Apr 11, 2010 19:58:34 GMT -5
If he takes Jason's spot he has made the leap. Why do we want him to "take Jason's spot"? Can't Jason continue being great, get even better, and keep his spot? And can't Hollis improve, become a huge contributor, but still not "take Jason's spot"? The bar you set for what marks Hollis's "making the leap" is arbitrary and ridiculous.
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RDF
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 20:02:27 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Apr 11, 2010 20:02:27 GMT -5
If this team stays small with all the size they have--it's silly. I'm all for the best players play--but it's also evident in how the seasons have played out--the past 2 years of small ball have been failures. Time to try something new--and go bigger and play guys who will defend.
Jason Clark's offensive game greatly improved last year---his defense which should be among the best in league was substandard. Entire team was very poor defensively--but if you are going to go small--you cant' have weak perimeter defense and Hoyas did.
Hollis Thompson was one of the reasons Hoyas made a nice run in BET and he was one of the few ready to play against Ohio U. I expect him to start at SF next year.
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 20:54:00 GMT -5
Post by redskins12820 on Apr 11, 2010 20:54:00 GMT -5
Jason > Hollis. Sorry, Hollis shot decently down the stretch, but Jason provided so much more in so many more areas of the game. It was not even close.
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 21:07:46 GMT -5
Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 11, 2010 21:07:46 GMT -5
Hollis is 6'7 Jason is 6'2. Also, Jason made his sophomore leap...I think we need to wait and see what Hollis does over this all-important summer between frosh and soph year.
If Hollis can improve on defense and bulk up a bit, I think he is going to be a major weapon. His offense (not just his jumpshot) was improving as the season went on and for his size, I think he was a pretty good rebounder too.
If Greg goes, however, it isn't going to make much of a difference since we will probably be starting a 3-guard lineup. But overall, I am with MCI -- I prefer a wing with size at the 3, moving AF to the 2.
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tonyparker
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 21:10:00 GMT -5
Post by tonyparker on Apr 11, 2010 21:10:00 GMT -5
By the end of the year, I didn't think Clark was giving us that much more than Hollis on the offensive end. Indeed, I think by next year Hollis may surpass Clark as a pure scorer and facilitator in our system.
On the other hand, I thought of all of our players who got significant minutes, Hollis was easily our worst defender. Didn't guard, didn't box out, fouled a lot, complained every time he got called for a foul, etc. I think some of this is likely attributed to having to play too many minutes at the 4, but still - he has a lot to learn.
Clark, on the other hand, is a great defender. Did he get lit up on occasion, yes. But there is a reason he was guarding the opponent's best perimeter player - he is our best perimeter defender. On top of that, Freeman and Wright are pretty bad perimeter defenders, particularly Free who doesn't have the foot speed to keep up with most guards and is a bad rebounder.
I guess what I'm saying is that, unless Hollis improves significantly defensively, you can't put him in the lineup over Clark due to his importance as an elite defender on what is otherwise a poor defensive team.
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SirSaxa
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 21:15:28 GMT -5
Post by SirSaxa on Apr 11, 2010 21:15:28 GMT -5
One area in which Hollis does not NEED to improve would be 3 Pt. shooting. He is already the Hoya leader in Career 3 pt. %.
Arguing over who should start -- Hollis or Jason -- is, IMHO, rather pointless. Both guys need to raise their games next year and I think they will. Both guys will get a LOT of minutes and be key components of a very good Hoya team. Probably, both guys will NOT start -- that is, one will start and the other come off the bench. But then again, Pat. Jr. didn't start either and he was crucial to the success of the team and even won BE 6th Man of the Year.
Pat Jr. is a good example. He played a super key role off the bench (think Hollis) AND, he also gave up his starting spot for the good of the team (think Jason?)
I am not suggesting here which guy should start. JT3 will decide which 5 guys should start to get our team going at the beginning of games, and which guys can come in and provide a SERIOUS spark off the bench.
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 21:52:26 GMT -5
Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 11, 2010 21:52:26 GMT -5
Whoever does not overstand that we need a 6'7 3 man to start over a 6'3 2 is foolish. Jason is a good player but we need size. Enough of this 3 guard crap. Lets have everyone play their natural college positions.
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 22:01:07 GMT -5
Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 11, 2010 22:01:07 GMT -5
Jason is a starter- he is a very good player and has earned his place in the rotation. If everyone comes back, Hollis comes off the bench, but there may be many games when he plays more minutes than one or more starter and is in the game toward the end. I hope both players have great summers and come back much improved.
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 22:08:13 GMT -5
Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 11, 2010 22:08:13 GMT -5
Via Twitter: "Looks like Hollis Thompson's lobbing water balloons off the back of New North on the way to Leo's. Always working on his shot!"
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Hollis
Apr 11, 2010 22:12:20 GMT -5
Post by strummer8526 on Apr 11, 2010 22:12:20 GMT -5
Whoever does not overstand that we need a 6'7 3 man to start over a 6'3 2 is foolish. Jason is a good player but we need size. Enough of this 3 guard crap. Lets have everyone play their natural college positions. There are so many things I don't overstand.
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jgalt
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Hollis
Apr 12, 2010 0:18:53 GMT -5
Post by jgalt on Apr 12, 2010 0:18:53 GMT -5
Jason's wingspan is 7', what is Hollis'? Why must Hollis only compete with Jason for time? Why must we not have other more meaningful things to debate? The world may never know.
What it does know is that Hollis and Jason can both be on the court and on the team at the same time, shocking i know. therefor they dont have to fight it out in the Thunderdome.
The difference between Hollis at the start of the year and Hollis at the beginning of the year was confidence- Confidence in your team mates confindence of you, confidence in your role on the team, confidence in your abilities. This was the same thing with Jerrelle, and to some extent with Vee. It is usually the only difference between freshmen at the beginning and end of the year when they are role play guys. The same happened with Clark. This is why it appears that guys make such big leaps Frosh to Sophomore year.
Its the same thing that happens to all of us when we are in new surroundings. You get a new job, or get transferred to another department, or you join a new rec league team, or even when you start hanging out with new friends. You have to test the waters first to see what the group dynamic is (this is also one of the biggest challenges facing changing organizations or those that have laid off lost of new workers). Once you get feel for where you fit, where other fit, and what you are expected to do, you can finally relax and act normal.
Few people can just hope in and act the same in every situation. The bigger the jump the longer time it takes to get a feel. High School ball to College Ball is huge jump. Almost every player (at least the one who dont get paid to play in college) have to adjust. Think back to Greg last year; even the top recruit in the country had to adjust and ease in.
Hollis will make this maturity jump, as will Jerrell and Vee. These guys will show up next August for practices and see new freshman there who are just as nervous as they were and it will seem so familiar that it wont matter.
Now does this have anything to do with who should start, Jason or Hollis? No, because I dont care; I have 6 months not to care and my brain needs a rest.
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tashoya
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Hollis
Apr 12, 2010 7:44:27 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Apr 12, 2010 7:44:27 GMT -5
Jason's wingspan is 7', what is Hollis'? Why must Hollis only compete with Jason for time? Why must we not have other more meaningful things to debate? The world may never know. What it does know is that Hollis and Jason can both be on the court and on the team at the same time, shocking i know. therefor they dont have to fight it out in the Thunderdome. The difference between Hollis at the start of the year and Hollis at the beginning of the year was confidence- Confidence in your team mates confindence of you, confidence in your role on the team, confidence in your abilities. This was the same thing with Jerrelle, and to some extent with Vee. It is usually the only difference between freshmen at the beginning and end of the year when they are role play guys. The same happened with Clark. This is why it appears that guys make such big leaps Frosh to Sophomore year. Its the same thing that happens to all of us when we are in new surroundings. You get a new job, or get transferred to another department, or you join a new rec league team, or even when you start hanging out with new friends. You have to test the waters first to see what the group dynamic is (this is also one of the biggest challenges facing changing organizations or those that have laid off lost of new workers). Once you get feel for where you fit, where other fit, and what you are expected to do, you can finally relax and act normal. Few people can just hope in and act the same in every situation. The bigger the jump the longer time it takes to get a feel. High School ball to College Ball is huge jump. Almost every player (at least the one who dont get paid to play in college) have to adjust. Think back to Greg last year; even the top recruit in the country had to adjust and ease in. Hollis will make this maturity jump, as will Jerrell and Vee. These guys will show up next August for practices and see new freshman there who are just as nervous as they were and it will seem so familiar that it wont matter. Now does this have anything to do with who should start, Jason or Hollis? No, because I dont care; I have 6 months not to care and my brain needs a rest. NOW I understand why we had that Ice Cream Social during Freshman Orientation.
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tashoya
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Hollis
Apr 12, 2010 7:46:35 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Apr 12, 2010 7:46:35 GMT -5
I'm 100% with SirSaxa. I couldn't care less who starts. I care what the guys do when they play. I think Hollis is going to be really good. I think Jason's going to be really good. These are nice and somewhat unfamiliar "problems" for us to have.
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NCHoya
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Hollis
Apr 12, 2010 8:07:42 GMT -5
Post by NCHoya on Apr 12, 2010 8:07:42 GMT -5
The importance of being in the starting line-up is over-rated. I am sure there will be match-ups where Clark plays more minutes than Hollis and vice versa. The fact is in 2 years they both will start and they are both quality players. I also think jgalt made a great point, Hollis may take minutes from someone else entirely.
To me, I just want JT3 to USE his resources next season to his advantage. He has played with a half deck for a while. Now he will have a stocked and talented roster. I am looking forward to seeing some new wrinkles to force turnovers and push tempo at times. Perhaps that is where Clark would get more minutes.
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skyhoya
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Hollis
Apr 12, 2010 8:26:11 GMT -5
Post by skyhoya on Apr 12, 2010 8:26:11 GMT -5
I am not sure we are stacked. The new class looks great on paper, but can they adapt to IIIs style of play. I can't believe that Henry hasn't made it into the rotation. I watched him play in some senior tournaements, he was a stud. What happened? Nate is playing right now in similiar tourneys and looks great.
I can't get my hopes up on a big productive bench, just yet. However, when we went to the four guard lineup against Ohio, Hollis looked good.
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sleepy
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Hollis
Apr 12, 2010 8:36:42 GMT -5
Post by sleepy on Apr 12, 2010 8:36:42 GMT -5
i don't really care who starts between jason and Hollis. But to say that Jason is our best defender wow. he should be perhaps our best but he struggles guarding any legitimate 1 or 2 and is too small and thin to go against most 3s. When you play 3 guys in the backcourt at 6' 6'3 and 6'4 we have a real size problem matching up. That combined with the fact that Jason is the worst fundamental on ball defender on the team after 2 years in the program does not make up for the occasional hustle steal or deflection that he comes up with. The mere fact that he requires so much assistance in help d wrecked havoc all year with rotation on defense. That said i'm not convinced that Hollis brings more to the table unless he can really improve from a defensive standpoint as well. he
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