CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 6, 2010 8:56:14 GMT -5
Purnell may get Depaul to mid level Big East but I don't see him getting them any higher than that. After being 1-35 in the Big East regular season the past two years, I think DePaul would be happy with mid level Big East.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 6, 2010 9:22:36 GMT -5
Oliver has nothing to build on, perhaps he can recruit local talent, or bring comne recruits with him. He was dead at Clemson, but managed a big raise to go to Chitown.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Apr 6, 2010 9:53:07 GMT -5
If Purnell gets Depaul to mid Big East level I can understand they would be happy. I just am floored that they spent $2 M per year with that goal. $2 M per year puts him in the top 10% or so of all coaches and they guy has never won an NCAA tournament game. I need his agent
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 6, 2010 10:08:07 GMT -5
If Purnell gets Depaul to mid Big East level I can understand they would be happy. I just am floored that they spent $2 M per year with that goal. $2 M per year puts him in the top 10% or so of all coaches and they guy has never won an NCAA tournament game. I need his agent I think all the other College Head Basketball coaches in America should be sending Oliver Champagne for his contribution to revamping the pay scale and expectations. Really, I am delighted for Purnell, who seems like a good guy. Does he "deserve" it? Is he "worth" $2million? It seems he was the right guy at the right time for a program that was desperate to bring in any kind of recognizable and respectable name to at least APPEAR That they are trying to move in a positive direction. We can be certain that Purnell knows he will need at least one really well-known and effective grinder from Chicago to try to get some of their top kids to want to stay home. That is essential to his success. He, and all the other ACC coaches, operate at a big disadvantage within their conference for recruits. Won't that be the same with DePaul in the BE? Certainly, he has big time competition for the kinds of recruits who want the BE. 'Cuse, Nova, WVU, UCONN, Pitt, GU, etc. However, none of those schools are in Chicago or have a history of grabbing strong recruits from the area. The Big Ten schools do, but not the BE. He MIGHT be able to carve out a niche of Chicago area kids who want a big conference but also want to stay home. OK, maybe I am stretching. But the key for him will be to figure out what edge he has for Chicago and mid-west kids to be part of a rebuilding effort. Not an easy sell. Good luck to Coach Purnell. He's a class act and a big fan of JT2 -- one of many African American coaches who credit Big John with making their careers possible and for mentoring them along the way.
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Post by vcjack on Apr 6, 2010 10:35:12 GMT -5
They are probably overpaying them but they needed to show that they are serious about basketball and Purnell is better than I expected for them.
And Sir Saxa is right, no one in the Big East (except Marquette) recruits Chicago at all so if he can start getting kids from the area interested in the conference the way New York and DC kids like the Big East this will be a net positive for us all
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 6, 2010 11:54:20 GMT -5
Depaul is so bad right now that Purnell most likely will get at least 4 or 5 years to try to turn it around if he can make even marginal improvement. Not a bad gig. Hopefully he can do something, I hate to see anyone (except of course Syracuse if it ever happens) stuck at the bottom for years.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 6, 2010 12:27:13 GMT -5
They are where St Johns was a few years ago, once they were about to turn the corner, they fired the coach.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 6, 2010 12:28:31 GMT -5
They are where St Johns was a few years ago, once they were about to turn the corner, they fired the coach. DePaul was about to turn the corner? When was this?
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 6, 2010 12:49:17 GMT -5
St Johns not DePaul
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 6, 2010 13:46:58 GMT -5
I don't see how you can bash this. They got a Big Six coach who consistenly gets his teams into the NCAA tournament to come to DePaul. That's a huge get considering the condition their program is in. Of course they had to overpay to do it or it would never have happened. But if Purnell can recruit a bit and get them into Cincinnati/South Florida/Seton Hall territory, then they'll have a much easier time bringing somebody in the next time they want to open up the wallet. If I'm a DePaul fan, this is about as good as it was going to get, if my expectations were realistic.
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Post by idhoya on Apr 6, 2010 13:52:28 GMT -5
That's it big dog. They're looking to just be mediocre again. Now, if they get to the Mark Aguirre, Rod Strickland, Dallas Comegys days then they've got something. This is a 5-year plan I think. He's got to lock up Chi or he's done. Get out and repair relationships with the Mean Streets and Mac Irvin's of the AAU world.
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Post by HoyaSC on Apr 6, 2010 15:58:49 GMT -5
Been listening to talk radio all day here in SC and the Clemson fans are devastated. A few fans were getting tired of the lack of success in the NCAA--but the vast majority realize that even making the tournament at Clemson (now three years in a row) is a gigantic accomplishment.
And I don't think it was all about the money for Purnell. Clemson is cash-strapped and will always be a football school. Apparently the administration had been pennywise and pound-foolish on a few things they had promised Purnell and that Editeded him off. Also, unless it was Duke or UNC, Clemson still wasn't selling out their home games. The arena is small. I think Clemson will quickly sink back to the ACC's bottom without him.
Purnell is a class guy and DePaul will be better. Are they going to the Final Four? Doubtful. But they will be a lot more competitive.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Apr 6, 2010 19:09:44 GMT -5
The guy has taken three different teams to the NCAA tournament - Dayton had a great year in his final year. Clemson was awful when he arrived and he proceeded to get three NCAA bids out of them in a league where you are playing for third place most seasons. I'm a little unclear why folks think "mediocrity" is the ceiling from a guy who has taken every program he has coached to the NCAA tournament at some point in his time there.
Separately, we now know why BC canned Skinner. They had already lined up the Cornell coach.
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Post by wrestlemania on Apr 6, 2010 23:41:33 GMT -5
Purnell is OK but it looks like DePaul overpaid to repair its image in the media. Team will get better, if only because they can't possibly get much worse. No significant improvement without a new building -- Rosemont may as well be in Siberia.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Apr 7, 2010 9:49:55 GMT -5
Listened to the Clemson play by play guy yesterday who shed some light on this. In his view Purnell is really more comfortable in the turn around role rather than the stable program role. And DePaul is the biggest turnaround job out there. Throw in that Purnell had been at Clemson for 7 years and was probably starting to get the itch to move on. Plus the money. Made sense if he is right about the way Purnell is wired. Not sure he is worth $2 M but it starts to make more sense.
I am going to be very interested to see who Clemson hires. ACC needs a big improvement in their coaches outside of the K Roy and Gary. FWIW Clemson did support the team pretty well. Averaged 9500 in a 10K facility. Not total sellouts but not too bad.
I also am going to be very interested to see if he can press BE teams for 40 minutes.
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Post by NorthCarolinaHOYA on Apr 7, 2010 10:10:18 GMT -5
I think its a good hire personally and as a few people have noted and sorry to say again but I remember back in the Day when that ROSEMONT HORIZON used to ROCK when they were good. I remember that game when Alonzo almost got into a fight and i will never forget in that game Al McGuire said whoever wins this game will move into the top ten and unfortunately Gtown lost the game. I remember it being on NBC. I hope they go back to wearing the checkerboard uniforms hahahaha
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Post by TigerHoya on Apr 8, 2010 8:42:07 GMT -5
Sounds like Capel wants to go back to the ACC - either Wake or Clemson are both open now.
I think Clemson's AD is too cheap to hire anybody but the interim coach right now though.
The Baylor coach is on the short list supposedly.
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Post by TigerHoya on Apr 8, 2010 8:49:26 GMT -5
Been listening to talk radio all day here in SC and the Clemson fans are devastated. A few fans were getting tired of the lack of success in the NCAA--but the vast majority realize that even making the tournament at Clemson (now three years in a row) is a gigantic accomplishment. And I don't think it was all about the money for Purnell. Clemson is cash-strapped and will always be a football school. Apparently the administration had been pennywise and pound-foolish on a few things they had promised Purnell and that Editeded him off. Also, unless it was Duke or UNC, Clemson still wasn't selling out their home games. The arena is small. I think Clemson will quickly sink back to the ACC's bottom without him. Purnell is a class guy and DePaul will be better. Are they going to the Final Four? Doubtful. But they will be a lot more competitive. There is a vocal minority of Clemson fans that always wants to fire any coach in any sport. It has gotten to the point now that people parodying it say Fire [Coach's name] on message boards whenever a team in any sport start losing mid-game. It happens in all 3 major sports - baseball is the worst for the parodies and the real morons upset and wanting the coach to go after one bad inning. That being said, it does appear Purnell contacted Depaul since there had been no media mention of him beforehand apparently. He called the AD in the middle of the night Monday to give him a heads up it was about to break. The players found out online - this is the one part that bothers me - I like Purnell and thought he was a pretty classy coach for the most part but that just seems bush league to me. They lost a recruit to VaTech before Purnell left. The younger Booker was considering transferring before Purnell left and may still do so. Thornton from Atlanta wants a release now that Purnell is leaving but may stay with Clemson if he likes the new coach. Not winning a NCAA game was a problem, but not a running him off kind of problem. A friend of mine is a Wake alum, and it was definitely a key issue for them in getting rid of Gaudio, but it was nowhere on the radar screen.
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 8, 2010 8:50:50 GMT -5
Sounds like Capel wants to go back to the ACC - either Wake or Clemson are both open now. I think Clemson's AD is too cheap to hire anybody but the interim coach right now though. The Baylor coach is on the short list supposedly. No offense to TigerHoya by any comments below. Why would Scott Drew want to go to Clemson, where basketball is a distant second beyond basketball, or Wake (where he's third fiddle in the state if he's lucky) in a conference that features the last two national champions as well as one trip at least every other year to College Park? Why not stay at Baylor, a school that has no history of success in either football or basketball and that will treat him well and with kid gloves, in a school located in a populous state that has no dominant basketball team, and in a conference that, aside from Kansas, is remarkably competitive and well-balanced and offers a good chance to make the NCAAs and win every year?
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Post by TigerHoya on Apr 8, 2010 9:09:59 GMT -5
Sounds like Capel wants to go back to the ACC - either Wake or Clemson are both open now. I think Clemson's AD is too cheap to hire anybody but the interim coach right now though. The Baylor coach is on the short list supposedly. No offense to TigerHoya by any comments below. Why would Scott Drew want to go to Clemson, where basketball is a distant second beyond basketball, or Wake (where he's third fiddle in the state if he's lucky) in a conference that features the last two national champions as well as one trip at least every other year to College Park? Why not stay at Baylor, a school that has no history of success in either football or basketball and that will treat him well and with kid gloves, in a school located in a populous state that has no dominant basketball team, and in a conference that, aside from Kansas, is remarkably competitive and well-balanced and offers a good chance to make the NCAAs and win every year? No offense taken, my knowledge of coaching stuff is limited right now. My work situation kept me from following much hoops at all the past couple of years - just passing along scuttlebutt. I don't think Clemson is going to spend the money to hire a coach as good as Drew anyway - I think they just want to have him on "their list" that leaks out. Most Clemson fans are resigned to the interim coach getting the job. Here's a good blog post on why Purnell's reasons for leaving for Depaul - they are line with some of the stuff here: thetigernet.com/blogs/plyler/?entry=why_did_purnell_leave
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