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Post by gambo on Mar 28, 2010 10:00:55 GMT -5
When you know who you are covering, it becomes a source of pride to shut down your man. When you are constantly switching (as we do), there are many mismatches (mostly not in our favor).
Also, playing defense as we do, when someone scores, we can easily say, "that wasn't MY fault". Evidently, Coach believes that by switching a lot, we are disrupting the other team's offense. Sounds good in theory, but look where it got us.
Until we pay a lot more attention to defense, we will always be vulnerable to what happened to us against Oregon
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Post by b52legend on Mar 28, 2010 10:07:36 GMT -5
I don't think criticism of our defensive system is fully warranted. We had our worst defensive year in a while, but JT3 knows defense as evidenced by the teams consistent good kenpom defensive rating.
2006 - 38th
2007 - 20th
2008 - 6th
2009 - 22nd
2010 - 46th
So we had our worst defensive year under JT3, but I am not sure that is due to any flaw in the system. It could be because of numerous other factors, and I am not sure we should scrap the defense we have been using, with success, since JT3 arrived.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 28, 2010 10:19:07 GMT -5
The more I watch other teams, it's not that I think the system is flawed. I think it's just the effort/attention. Guys have to fight through screens with more effort, so we're not switching when we don't need to. And guys need to be aware and get back to their man as soon as possible, instead of floundering with say Julian matched up against a 1 and getting beaten off the dribble constantly.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 28, 2010 10:42:41 GMT -5
Until we pay a lot more attention to defense, we will always be vulnerable to what happened to us against Oregon Wait, we lost to Oregon too?! Oh this really was a wasted season. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2010 10:56:02 GMT -5
The Hoyas did, at times. Including against Butler (perhaps you've forgotten they beat Butler?).
There were several outstanding defensive efforts this year, including the Syracuse game in the BET. That defensive effort was not there every game and that's the major reason why the Hoyas are not still playing.
There is always something important to work on in the offseason and this is the major thing this year. It all starts in the weight room.
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Post by superan on Mar 28, 2010 11:07:04 GMT -5
Rebounding was only a problem in specific games but I thought we definitely corrected that particular item this past year as compared to 08-09. Turnovers were also only sporadic problems. The issue was definitely defensive intensity.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Mar 28, 2010 11:13:24 GMT -5
There were several outstanding defensive efforts this year, including the Syracuse game in the BET. Meh, the defense was nothing special in that game - it was more a tremendous offensive 2nd half against their 2-3 zone. Maybe you're thinking about the game at Verizon? The Hoyas played a great defensive 2nd half to get back in the game. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 28, 2010 11:15:38 GMT -5
I don't mind switching in the half court defense. I just want much more pressing fullcourt, especially to take a hot shooting team out of its comfort zone.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 28, 2010 12:39:16 GMT -5
I want a passable 2-3 next year. That way, if something isn't working, we can actually mix it up, also to take teams out of their comfort zone.
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Post by jgalt on Mar 28, 2010 12:46:54 GMT -5
I think its funny that although JT3 has used essential the same defensive scheme every year and that it has been very successful in the past, the system still gets criticized. Maybe its the players execution of the defense that should be criticized not the system itself
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Post by thejerseytornado on Mar 28, 2010 12:52:14 GMT -5
I think its funny that although JT3 has used essential the same defensive scheme every year and that it has been very successful in the past, the system still gets criticized. Maybe its the players execution of the defense that should be criticized not the system itself Agreed that philosophically, the system is a good system that can succeed. But at some point, JT3 should recognize that this group isn't good at: -hedging without fouling -switching without giving up an open three. I'm fine with the system, but either make sure the players pull it off well or change the system to fit the players' ability next year. |
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Post by the_way on Mar 28, 2010 14:17:00 GMT -5
i don't see the guys we have now becoming defensive stoppers all of a sudden. Do you think JTIII *isn't* emphasizing defense or rebounding the past two years?
get better/different players.
thats the solution. like it has been said, his scheme hasn't changed, only the personnel over the years.
he is doing that recruiting guys like Abraham and Lubick.
we have the offensive pieces. but we need the defenders and bangers to compliment them.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 28, 2010 14:48:58 GMT -5
i don't see the guys we have now becoming defensive stoppers all of a sudden. Do you think JTIII *isn't* emphasizing defense or rebounding the past two years? get better/different players. thats the solution. like it has been said, his scheme hasn't changed, only the personnel over the years. he is doing that recruiting guys like Abraham and Lubick. we have the offensive pieces. but we need the defenders and bangers to compliment them. Who are the bangers on Butler? |
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Post by sleepy on Mar 28, 2010 14:53:56 GMT -5
the scheme changed quite a bit if you paid attention. four of the last 6 years we have primarily played a variety of matchup zone at least 60%-70% of possesions and mixed in a lot of man and some zones. Starting last year we played a lot less matchup and this year we barely played it at all after early January. now part of that was having a big who actually could cover and recover quicker than the current center and it takes a lot more communication to play it well. we also did not have the size on the wings to play any kind of effective zone. hard to zone in college today when you play three guards at the biggest is
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Post by smittydakid on Mar 28, 2010 15:35:01 GMT -5
It is the system. The reason switching everytime won't work is too many mismatches and that leads to open looks. It will work sometimes but it can't be your main defense. We played that d some in our final four year. NC missed every shot down the stretch, so our d looked good. Mike Conley went to the hoop at will, so our d didn't look good. Our D is terrible compared to the elite teams.
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 28, 2010 16:02:51 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2010 17:43:01 GMT -5
There were several outstanding defensive efforts this year, including the Syracuse game in the BET. Meh, the defense was nothing special in that game - it was more a tremendous offensive 2nd half against their 2-3 zone. Maybe you're thinking about the game at Verizon? The Hoyas played a great defensive 2nd half to get back in the game. Agree about the second half at Verizon, but the Hoya guards were spectacularly good at harassing the SU shooters on the perimeter in the second half at MSG too. My point is that the team was very good on defense ... at times. Next year's goal is to make that at all times. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 28, 2010 18:00:25 GMT -5
I think that last point is the key, Dan. Regardless of what defensive scheme we use, the effort has to be there in order to make it work. If the effort/communication is consistently there, the switching will be effective. I'm hoping with everyone coming back next year, all our major contributors will have had another year and offseason to work on both fronts. Communication comes with familiarity from having played with each other. Effort comes with the ability to exert that effort; that is, increased stamina, strength and mental toughness.
Hopefully the guys will all use this offseason to improve in all of these categories.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 28, 2010 18:20:20 GMT -5
i don't see the guys we have now becoming defensive stoppers all of a sudden. Do you think JTIII *isn't* emphasizing defense or rebounding the past two years? get better/different players. thats the solution. like it has been said, his scheme hasn't changed, only the personnel over the years. he is doing that recruiting guys like Abraham and Lubick. we have the offensive pieces. but we need the defenders and bangers to compliment them. The only way they can "compliment" the offensive players is if they all get enough share of the playing time. We shall see about that. I probably shouldn't bring this up considering the source but one guy on a Terp board got so frustrated with Scott Drew's decision to not press Duke on defense at all that he referred to the Baylor coach as the "white JTIII...with better athletes." |
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Post by paranoia2 on Mar 28, 2010 18:35:38 GMT -5
IMO the Hoyas are getting ready to go on a serious run with legitimate NCAA title aspirations for several seasons. The critics of the defense, the coach and the team's focus from this season will be silenced next year (with Monroe's return). Usually playing the "if" and "shoulda" game is not relevant but NCAA hoops is actually a forum where it counts. Personnel projections are an important part of college basketball & this year's Hoyas could have featured Vernon Macklin & Chris Braswell. I did not mention Rivers because I felt he stunk. With the nature of recruiting the longterm PLAN is HUGE. JT III's LONGTERM PLAN for this past season didn't have the team so bereft of depth. Macklin & Braswell would have made a huge difference. I believe III is HUNGRY for DOMINATION and will have the horses starting next year.
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