hoyaalf
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Post by hoyaalf on Mar 16, 2010 18:16:18 GMT -5
I understand Gary has only 6 credits left himself.
Perhaps he could do a 'life-experience' paper on using hoop dreams to manipulate young African-American males.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 16, 2010 18:16:40 GMT -5
But this was him at his most pathetic, an all-time low. But the worst thing is that no one in the media will take him to task for it. And not long after I wrote this... ESPN 980's Sports Reporters, a three hour show, waited until the final thirty seconds to make mention of Maryland's graduation rates. The hosts of the show are Andy Pollin (a HUGE Terps supporter) and Steve Czabin (an enthusiastic Terps supporter). The guest third host of the day was the male sports anchor for local DC station Channel 4. As the show was about to end Andy and Steve gloated how today they made to mention of any graduation rate story and then derided the article by calling it an annual Washington Post dig at Maryland regarding its graduation of players. All three guys AGREED that Gary Williams was right to be ticked off and then they all said that Gary made a great argument in defense of his program. (Yes, all the points that we, justifiably, belittled in this thread were championed by three professional men who work for the media). Then Andy ended it all by saying Gary runs a fine, clean program. Seriously. Again you will get no criticism from the DC media. Not even from the big names. Tony Kornheiser openly points out that he is in the tank for his "good friend" Gary Williams. For years when the topic of graduation rates came up regarding Maryland Tony would say it was the job of Gary to get these gys to the NBA or to a paying job playing basketball. said that was the reason those guys were at Maryland in the first place. Now Tony expresses this view when it comes to all college programs. Years ago when it was discovered that Juan Dixon wasn't graduating from Maryland Michael Wilbon, in a column, wrote that stae schools should not be expected to graduate its student athletes. Only private schools should be expected of that. I kid you not. And John Feinstein? Please. He is more in the tank for Gary than Tony Kornheiser. There would be no criticism for him on this front. Despite all the whining from Terp fans about the media being against them the truth is no one gets a pass from the media like the Terps do. There is no accountability. Ever. Unless Bob Wade is running the program that is.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 16, 2010 18:16:56 GMT -5
To be fair to Gary, I do not think he has any interest in graduating his white players, either.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Mar 16, 2010 18:27:53 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear what's going on. Maryland is such a hard school, that a lot of players can't get in, and have to go to places like Georgetown. Even the guys who do get it struggle to keep theirs heads above water, because the schoolwork is so difficult. Thus the 8% rate. Just imagine what it would be if they let in all those guys they can't get because of their admissions standards Why did you write that, you've just given Gary Williams another EXCUSE the next time the NCAA releases Maryland's terrible graduation rate. HA! HA! Would any of you be surprised if Gary Williams and a large number of Maryland fans actually believed what CTHoya08 wrote there??? Thomas, what CTHoya08 wrote there is nearly unanimously believed by everyone at or near College Park. They are convinced that UMd has the highest admissions standards in the area and that that is the only way GU manages to out-recruit them. Jeff Green, in particular, is the central target of their lunacy.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 16, 2010 18:32:59 GMT -5
Here's the level of intelligence you're dealing with when you're talking about Twerp fans:
"So basically they move forward one year with a 4 year period? So they use 1 new year of info every year with 3 old ones? How is that not basically the same thing?
"If anything those numbers make us look good considering we were at 0% and while only changing 25% of the data we raised our overall score to 8%."
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"And Georgetown giving 82% of their players sham degrees means exactly what in reality?"
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 16, 2010 18:35:49 GMT -5
For some reason, they are still a year behind (or haven't released this year's), so Jeff (incoming class of '04) won't be on it for a couple of years.
It's incoming 1999-2002, so that's:
Kevin Braswell Willie Taylor* Jason Burns* Courtland Freeman Demetrius Hunter* Victor Samnick Lee Scruggs Wesley Wilson Omari Faulkner Ramell Ross Michael Sweetney Gerald Riley Tony Bethel* Drew Hall* DJ Owens Harvey Thomas*
There's sixteen there, maybe 15 with Lee Scruggs out. Six transfers -- which is 9/15 which may be the 60% Fed Rate listed.
Not sure how they get to 82%, but the point being -- we had six people transfer and one leave early for the NBA -- and still got to 82%.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 16, 2010 19:10:54 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one has congratulated Craig Esherick yet! If anyone's interested in looking at the report (it's not very interesting) it's available at: www.tidesport.org/Grad%20Rates/2010_Mens_Bball_PR.pdfMarquette and ND were 2 of the 6 perfect scores on the list along with Wake, BYU, Wofford, and Utah State. Cal managed to graduate no white players AND no black players, but get up to 20% total (a quick look at their '04 roster suggests that Gutierrez and Zhang most likely graduated).
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hoyaalf
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Post by hoyaalf on Mar 16, 2010 19:48:39 GMT -5
To be fair to Gary, I do not think he has any interest in graduating his white players, either. Upon reflection, you are correct. He's a lot of bad things* but not a racist. You don't have to a racist to pee on yourself. [*Bad Things List available upon request.]
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Post by seaweed on Mar 16, 2010 20:01:46 GMT -5
Bingo, Nola. Gary couldn't give a rat's ass if his players graduated. Given the amount of time he spends around them, I find it odd you could maintain that level of self-centeredness not to care if they, you know, had a major. You would think he might notice when filling out the starting lineup for TV games, where they like to show the "student-athletes" majors etc - I will refrain from mocking "exercise physiology" as a major because in this case it is so much easier to just note that "NONE" should stand out.
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Post by jgalt on Mar 16, 2010 20:09:37 GMT -5
Just want to add my 2 cents. I have a friend who's son played for Maryland on their basketball team. I won't say what year he "graduated" otherwise you'll figure out who he is. He had enough total credit hours but not enough in any particular major. Go figure. She hadn't been following up assuming that the team had an advisor. So he left after 4 years with a diploma but no major, just a bunch of random courses. Also, my younger daughter was recruited by UVA and went there for a D1 sport. A stellar student who graduated in 3 years summa cum laude. Her first semester there freshman year its mandatory to attend study hall. If you obtain a 3.0 your first semester, study hall is optional. She went one night in the fall and the entire football team was there. She was surprised assuming that the football and basketball players were exempted from this rule. No way. UVA just kicked off Landesberg from their basketball team because of "failure to meet academic expectations". Their star player who probably won't come back and will go pro. There are some schools who do take the role of student athlete seriously. This is not unique to quality institutions like UVA. Even second tier state schools have these programs. I have a friend who plays football at UCONN, they have to stay at the practice facility and finish there work each day before they are dont for the day. There are people there watching them, and available to help. (There are even rooms, large ones, dedicated to only studying). If they do well enough in class they dont have to stay, but he says many stay anyway because it helps them stay on task. The shocking thing is that this does not translate to the Basketball team. Show how much the coaching staff matters in the this equation. For years when the topic of graduation rates came up regarding Maryland Tony would say it was the job of Gary to get these gys to the NBA or to a paying job playing basketball. Man i wish it were my finance teachers only job to get ME a job; id probably have one by now. To be fair to Gary, I do not think he has any interest in graduating his white players, either. Upon reflection, you are correct. He's a lot of bad things* but not a racist. You don't have to a racist to pee on yourself. [*Bad Things List available upon request.] I was going to ask you for the list, but i figure you probably have better things to do than type a list for three days.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 17, 2010 10:56:54 GMT -5
GU does have study hall for its athletes.
I had a friend who worked for the program under Esherick and (I'm sure this hasn't changed under III) in addition to study hall, players must report all assignments and tests on a weekly basis and report on their attendance. The assignments and tests are followed up on by the academic advisors.
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Post by bmartin on Mar 17, 2010 12:59:46 GMT -5
The House voted this morning on Steny Hoyer's bill to congratulate Maryland and Williams and Vasquez, but after the Republican Congressman from Irvine objected, 132 Members of Congress voted against it. clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll122.xml
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 17, 2010 13:26:41 GMT -5
HAHAHA - hilarious. Mind you - what the hell is congress wasting its time congratulating sports teams?
But paying attention to college Grad rates I would applaud.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 17, 2010 14:06:41 GMT -5
So sad. Gary missed the most viable excuse and it was right there in front of him:
"Who really wants a degree from Maryland anyway?"
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Mar 17, 2010 17:36:26 GMT -5
The House voted this morning on Steny Hoyer's bill to congratulate Maryland and Williams and Vasquez, but after the Republican Congressman from Irvine objected, 132 Members of Congress voted against it. clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll122.xmlAnd the Congressman specifically cited the article and graduation rates in his objection. tinyurl.com/ycheut4Steinberg is also all a flutter that because Obama praised Izzo and Obama, and omitted mention of Gary, that even the President is out to get that poor misunderstood educator.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Mar 17, 2010 20:15:57 GMT -5
Steinberg is also all a flutter that because Obama praised Izzo and Obama, and omitted mention of Gary, that even the President is out to get that poor misunderstood educator. Someone's surprised that Obama praised Obama? No wonder Steinz is confused by the GU student section at Verizon....
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hoyaalf
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Post by hoyaalf on Mar 17, 2010 20:23:45 GMT -5
I jus' fwoed up mommy.
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