sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 10, 2010 15:26:27 GMT -5
Attack, Attack, Attack. Offensively, defensively, on the boards. Thats the key to this game. Play agressive, play smart. Just leave it all on the floor, this might be the toughest game they will play the rest of the season.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Mar 10, 2010 15:37:50 GMT -5
What's the fan breakdown going to be? You'd have to think unaffiliated fans would be rooting for us right?
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superan
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Post by superan on Mar 10, 2010 15:50:09 GMT -5
What's the fan breakdown going to be? You'd have to think unaffiliated fans would be rooting for us right? Unaffiliated fans will root for us for sure but probably only in the second half when they might be cheering for an upset bid. First half the crowd noise will definitely tilt towards Cuse unfortunately.
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Post by MassHoya on Mar 10, 2010 15:52:05 GMT -5
The BET. The Garden. Hoyas vs SUcks. Life is good. Go Hoyas!!!
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Post by brooklynhoya on Mar 10, 2010 15:52:29 GMT -5
It's weird- I'd think unaffiliated fans would want the top seed to go down, but then again, unaffiliated or not, the Garden always seems to make the most noise for SU and UConn.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 10, 2010 15:59:58 GMT -5
Let Henry use his 5 fouls on the Big Orange Uglies
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Post by Dhall on Mar 10, 2010 16:03:31 GMT -5
Louisville shot 30 three-pointers in their first win and 40 in their second win against Cuse! The really interesting part: they only made 9 in the first game and 12 in the second game. The Syracuse zone gives you the three. We have to take them - there is no way around it. Make a decent percentage and keep Rautins and Johnson under 18 points each and we win.
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Post by KeysPlaceHoya on Mar 10, 2010 16:07:11 GMT -5
There will probably be fewer Syracuse fans at the Garden tomorrow than there were at the Verizon Center for our "home" game against them in February, so that should be a slight advantage for us. The Hoyas have only played in hostile environments against the Orange this year. I like our chances on a slightly-less-than-hostile-sortof-neutral court.
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Post by biggmanu on Mar 10, 2010 16:35:39 GMT -5
Wright slashes up the zone. Monroe goes right at Onuaku. Julian and Henry frustrate their big men. We make our threes. We don't beat ourselves with turnovers. Don't think we need to pay extra attention to Rautins. Pay more attention to Kris and Scoop. We win.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 10, 2010 16:37:50 GMT -5
Louisville shot 30 three-pointers in their first win and 40 in their second win against Cuse! The really interesting part: they only made 9 in the first game and 12 in the second game. The Syracuse zone gives you the three. We have to take them - there is no way around it. Make a decent percentage and keep Rautins and Johnson under 18 points each and we win. Our only problem against Syracuse's zone is that we don't really have guys who can get off the 3-pointer quickly - Jason and Vee both have to gather themselves, Chris has to get set plus is undersized against their length. Austin can get it up fairly quickly, and Hollis's shot looks good. We have to go into the middle or down on the baseline, then get it outside for an open look before they can close out.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 10, 2010 16:37:53 GMT -5
Louisville shot 30 three-pointers in their first win and 40 in their second win against Cuse! The really interesting part: they only made 9 in the first game and 12 in the second game. The Syracuse zone gives you the three. We have to take them - there is no way around it. Make a decent percentage and keep Rautins and Johnson under 18 points each and we win. It's the type of 3. I don't think anyone has a problem with the inside-out 3. The problem is when we're settling for outside-out 3's (if that makes any sense).
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 10, 2010 16:43:14 GMT -5
Shooting in the Garden is just a matter of adjusting to the sight lines. I don't expect too much carryover for Austin from today's game. He'll figure things out like he usually does.
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Post by tjm62 on Mar 10, 2010 16:53:40 GMT -5
Per the AP recap:
"After a timeout in the first half, the 6-foot-9 junior walked over to a bucket sitting courtside and promptly vomited. Vaughn didn't even bother to get a drink of water, wiping his face on his jersey and heading back onto the court moments later."
Is Julian sick?
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Post by dungeon ball on Mar 10, 2010 17:00:12 GMT -5
Will it be the same officiating crew? It'd be good for Monroe and Vaughn to know what they can/can't do on screens. Although it seemed like Hayward pretty much got away with the same thing at the end of the MU/SJU game.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 10, 2010 17:02:13 GMT -5
Chevy Troutman redux - last player known to have ralphed during a GU game.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 10, 2010 17:05:13 GMT -5
If you can effectively get the ball into the middle of the zone then you can really attack it. I think against Cuse, that is better done via the pass to the high post. Greg is an excellent passer for a big man. If we can get him the ball at/just inside the free throw line, then run either a high-low play to Vaughn underneath or a kick out to an open Wright/Freeman/Clark on the wing, Syracuse's vaunted zone can be broken down. But it is very tough to do the same thing with the dribble penetration. That seems to work into their favor, but the high post pass, with a tall talented passer, can carve up that zone, as long as you hit the open shots.
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Post by hifigator on Mar 10, 2010 17:08:14 GMT -5
FrazierFanatic wrote:
We have to go into the middle or down on the baseline, then get it outside for an open look before they can close out.
I agree totally with the first part, but generally, attacking the baseline against the Cuse zone leads to traps and the skip pass is very difficult against their length and athleticism.
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Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Mar 10, 2010 17:11:52 GMT -5
If you can effectively get the ball into the middle of the zone then you can really attack it. I think against Cuse, that is better done via the pass to the high post. Greg is an excellent passer for a big man. If we can get him the ball at/just inside the free throw line, then run either a high-low play to Vaughn underneath or a kick out to an open Wright/Freeman/Clark on the wing, Syracuse's vaunted zone can be broken down. But it is very tough to do the same thing with the dribble penetration. That seems to work into their favor, but the high post pass, with a tall talented passer, can carve up that zone, as long as you hit the open shots. Greg is a great passer, but not when he has two guys on him. He makes slow decisions and tries to put the ball on the floor. Pass him the ball in the center of the Syracuse zone and two guys collapse on him and it's a turnover. We tried it in the first game and it didn't work. Better off taking our chances at the baseline with Monroe or Freeman and possibly Vaughn.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 10, 2010 17:14:11 GMT -5
In my mind, the first 5 minutes of the 'Cuse game will speak volumes about JTIII's ability to learn from, and adjust based on, experience.
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Post by grokamok on Mar 10, 2010 17:16:30 GMT -5
Too many posts about the Orange zone without acknowledging that there are variations. The three isn't always available. Neither is the high post. Dribble penetration is available in different forms and only in certain positions.
The most important variation, to us, is whether or not they choose to extend. Without extension, we can't feed the high post without risking a turnover and drives are effective only if stopped short for a kick back outside (followed by a second pass if a their perimeter rotates); however, we can utilize exterior passing with picks to get an open 3. With extension, exterior passes become a problem, and there are few direct options to an open 3; however, feeding the high post off the dribble (not from a standstill) for an inside-out 3 or a dump-down to the baseline, or drives to the basket when we have a speed advantage (with interior passing if the center steps up to help) are options.
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