hoyaalf
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Post by hoyaalf on Feb 19, 2010 11:29:06 GMT -5
So Bronx, what do you do when someone pours on you?
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 19, 2010 11:32:54 GMT -5
I mentioned in my original post (not the excerpt here), that I'm not really concerned about what people yell in the heat of the game. There was certainly plenty of that on both sides, and I actually have no problem with the back and forth, or the yelling at players, coaches, refs, etc.
What burned me up was the "after-party," with the beverage tossing and its personal impact on me.
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Post by Sam on Feb 19, 2010 11:43:19 GMT -5
I sat in the upper bowl, 400s, and was surrounded by Cuse fans. I found them to be unusually disrespectful and classless (for example, yelling obnoxious things right before and during the National Anthem). They were also rude and obnoxious during the game (standing up so people could not see the game and acting like people were wrong for asking them to sit down), acting like it was a home game for them. I have no problem for fans of the opposing team to come on the road to root for their team, but a little deference to the fact that it is not your home arena is in order. I was shocked at their behavior.
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Post by Boz on Feb 19, 2010 11:59:22 GMT -5
As one of a few on this board who grew up in Western New York among such fans, I can say that I find none of what TrueHoyaBlue has recalled to be in the least bit surprising.
This is Syracuse. It's what they do. It's their version of being clever.
Dane Cook and Molly Hatchet are also still very popular in Western New York, if that helps to illustrate my point at all.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 19, 2010 12:02:13 GMT -5
As one of a few on this board who grew up in Western New York among such fans, I can say that I find none of what TrueHoyaBlue has recalled to be in the least bit surprising. This is Syracuse. It's what they do. It's their version of being clever. Dane Cook and Molly Hatchet are also still very popular in Western New York, if that helps to illustrate my point at all. What's fun, is that most of the Cuse fans at the game are the smart ones, the test, of course, being that they were smart enough to move away from upstate NY
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 19, 2010 12:49:01 GMT -5
I'm very conflicted on this issue (and feeling conflicted about anything dealing with Syracuse makes me physically ill). On the one hand you have to admire the Syracuse fans for being able to put together such a showing of support at an away game. If Hoya fans could do that we'd be crowing about incessantly it on this board and anywhere else we could. It's impressive and it makes me envious of the support base they have.
On the other hand, the general behavior of the Syracuse fans is really awful. Sure many of them are decent and respectful, just cheering their team on. But a relatively large percentage of them are drunken and obnoxious and have little respect for sportsmanship. I sit in the 400s and as you all could see, Hoya fans were outnumbered there. I could deal with that (although it makes me mad) but so many of them were drunk, stupid and obnoxious throughout that it really detracted from the game. As an example, one drunken fool kept shouting out to Hoyas fans the amount of the Syracuse lead with it was 17 points and higher. Some may say that ‘jawing’ amongst fans is ok, but I think that if you are at an away game you cheer but are respectful of the other team. Decent fans cheer for their team but don't taunt the opposing fans on their home court... but a great many Syracuse fans proved they have no regard for decency. At least 5 of them got kicked out of my section by security for their behavior. Sure they got quiet as the game became close but they were back to being obnoxious again at the end. Sorry to the 'Cuse fans who did behave well... it must suck to get tainted by the large number of their compatriots who are truly awful. But I guess they are used to it by now…
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Post by ZagHoya04 on Feb 19, 2010 15:19:44 GMT -5
I witnessed the aftermath of THB's dousing, assuming there wasn't another similar incident. Missed the act itself but turned around upon hearing the commotion to find a very bewildered hoya fan with soaked hair and top coat.
To be fair, that was the only "bad behavior" I saw, but I will say that there were altogether too many Orange fans in YA section 121- some polite enough, some obnoxious, but the upper rows of the section were probably 65-35 'Cuse. It's not as simple as regular fans who can't make it that day or perhaps finance their season tickets by hocking a prime time game or two. This is a lower-bowl, ostensibly alumni section that serves as a revolving door for opposing fans. It is truly unbelievable. On a game-to-game basis, our group probably recognizes 2 or 3 Hoya regulars in the immediate vicinity. I don't know what can be done, but there has to be a way to root out the stubhub sellouts.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 19, 2010 15:24:24 GMT -5
Thanks Zag, that was definitely me, as I followed the "douser" from 119 to 121 before I lost her in the crowd.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 19, 2010 15:24:54 GMT -5
It wasn't even just lower bowl seats. Every box I could see had Cuse fans in it as well.
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Post by sweetness on Feb 19, 2010 15:32:45 GMT -5
They are repulsive - as excited as I am for the BE Tourney this year it's tempered by the fact that you have to deal with these idiots.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 19, 2010 15:37:22 GMT -5
If I had to pinpoint a cause of this, it is that SU fans are not used to seeing other fans at games. Major cause of that is that there simply is not a block of opposing fans of any school in Syracuse, unless you count LeMoyne. Maybe they had a nice reception before the exhibition game. You couldn't even pay a Yinzer to live there. The WVU Winnebagos would run out of gas somewhere between Scranton and Bingo. So, naturally, you are going to have only SU fans in the Dome. I suspect SU fans just expect that they can own any arena they walk into and play by their own rules.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 19, 2010 15:57:18 GMT -5
The CUSE fans do what they think they can get away with. In Happy Valley this fall they came in groups and were gradually evicted from their seats. Some local Lions actually threw nacho cheese on them when they were being escorted to the in stdium justice of the peace. (They stole that from the Vet, Penn State has Phily fans, too).
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 19, 2010 16:18:12 GMT -5
If I had to pinpoint a cause of this, it is that SU fans are not used to seeing other fans at games. The Carrier Dome ushers who are both knowledgeable and funny (unlike 99% of the people they watch over) said that the roughly 200 GU fans that showed up for the game in February 2008 was the largest opposing crowd they had ever seen in the Dome.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 19, 2010 17:06:21 GMT -5
Just what we expected, most of the Syracuse students and fans never graduated from high school.
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Post by staggerlee on Feb 19, 2010 18:08:59 GMT -5
The fan behavior at this event was notable. I was witness to the orange fans that were previously mentioned doing their best to fight at the student buses in 2007. Last night I was witness to drunken beer spilling boorishness aimed at a young daughter in attendance in the lower bowl. While trying to defuse the situation by talking basketball with the guy, I learned that he had no real BB IQ and was simply a pasty, fat drunk from upstate NY.
Of the other orange around us, two were clones of the pasty guy behind us, while two seemed somewhat normal and actually smiled when I yelled to coach to watch his wallet when Jardine subbed in.
On the way out I was witness to a middle aged, apparently drunk orange fan grabbing and throwing some poor student into myself and my wife, while repeatedly challenging the student to fight. The student had bumped into him while navigating the completely jammed together sidewalk crowd. Typical blowhard though, when I looked him in the eye and let him know that throwing people into my wife wasn't going to fly, and meant it, he quickly turned around and scurried off.
All in all if they represent the fan base, which seemed to and seems to be the consensus. I understand all the "stay classy, cuse" comments.
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 19, 2010 19:00:57 GMT -5
The Cuse fans in my section (and there were a lot of them) were actually quite cordial. Yeah, I was as surprised as you are...
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Feb 19, 2010 20:00:34 GMT -5
Good for you, Stagger.
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Post by geedell on Feb 20, 2010 8:48:14 GMT -5
I believe I mentioned it when they visited last season that it was the worst behavior I'd ever seen by an opposing team's fans in the Verizon Center...the events I witness Thursday topped that.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 20, 2010 18:02:37 GMT -5
The bad behavior extends to their runners as SU runner Tito M. twice tried to mess with Hoya Mark Dennin in the 5000m at the BE meet in NY. He almost tripped him twice.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Feb 20, 2010 23:45:08 GMT -5
OTOH, a frequent poster on this board once bragged that his brother threw a full bottle of water at an opposing player at Verizon, before the game, and hit him. He seemed really pleased. No one called him on it.
I hope we can exhibit the same sportsmanship as Hoya fans that we expect from the fans of our opponents.
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