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Post by Z on Feb 18, 2010 23:16:10 GMT -5
You had to actually WIN against our archrival to get gushing praise for our poise and heart, not just keep it close after sleepwalking into a 23 point second half deficit? Reading this board you'd think we just won the BET. EMBARRASING.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 18, 2010 23:27:42 GMT -5
I will admit that the comeback made the loss slightly more palatable - but a loss is a loss, especially to Syracuse, you are right about that.
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Post by westendhoya on Feb 18, 2010 23:35:27 GMT -5
I've gotten on the board before for being way too negative after certain games, but I have to agree that the positivity after this game is pathetic. People saying our season is "saved", people saying we put up a tough effort in a "hostile environment"...etc.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 18, 2010 23:36:00 GMT -5
And what really concerns me is the possibility that the only "lesson" we will learn from this is that "we only have to play hard for 15 minutes and we can play with anybody".
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Post by RDF on Feb 18, 2010 23:40:50 GMT -5
Tonight's game was PATHETIC--not as pathetic as the lack of respect shown to USF and Rutgers from the team-but this takes cake for loser attitudes--not from fans--I understand and wish I could be enthused about the comeback--instead it infuriated me knowing you don't deserve to win a game playing 11 minutes of level of ball needed this time of year.
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Post by westendhoya on Feb 18, 2010 23:44:25 GMT -5
Tonight's game was PATHETIC--not as pathetic as the lack of respect shown to USF and Rutgers from the team-but this takes cake for loser attitudes--not from fans--I understand and wish I could be enthused about the comeback--instead it infuriated me knowing you don't deserve to win a game playing 11 minutes of level of ball needed this time of year. Nice to finally have a respected poster like you make some sense around here...people please open your eyes....the team had 4 days to stew over the debacle that was Rutgers and we came out flatter than any home game I can remember. Everyone saying that this shows this team is so different from last year....oh really..what is the difference between tonight and last years 'comeback' that fell short in the carrier dome?
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 18, 2010 23:45:56 GMT -5
Agree with the initial post. At this point in the year, there are no moral victories. The end result is all that matters.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 18, 2010 23:50:22 GMT -5
..what is the difference between tonight and last years 'comeback' that fell short in the carrier dome? I haven't seen this mentioned yet tonight, but I was also thinking about the similarity between these two games. USF and Rutgers make it impossible to feeel good about tonight's comeback. We needed the W.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 18, 2010 23:51:13 GMT -5
..what is the difference between tonight and last years 'comeback' that fell short in the carrier dome? I haven't seen this mentioned yet tonight, but I was also thinking about the similarity between these two games. USF and Rutgers make it impossible to feeel good about tonight's comeback. We needed the W. Last year's game went to overtime?
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 18, 2010 23:53:18 GMT -5
I haven't seen this mentioned yet tonight, but I was also thinking about the similarity between these two games. USF and Rutgers make it impossible to feeel good about tonight's comeback. We needed the W. Last year's game went to overtime? Yes, but a huge GU comeback that come up short and resulted in a L.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 18, 2010 23:54:24 GMT -5
Last year's game went to overtime? Yes, but a huge GU comeback that come up short and resulted in a L. I was pointing out a distinction, not a difference. It was some black humor.
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Post by Boz on Feb 19, 2010 0:02:13 GMT -5
Tonight's game was PATHETIC--not as pathetic as the lack of respect shown to USF and Rutgers from the team-but this takes cake for loser attitudes--not from fans--I understand and wish I could be enthused about the comeback--instead it infuriated me knowing you don't deserve to win a game playing 11 minutes of level of ball needed this time of year. Nice to finally have a respected poster like you make some sense around here...people please open your eyes....the team had 4 days to stew over the debacle that was Rutgers and we came out flatter than any home game I can remember. Everyone saying that this shows this team is so different from last year....oh really..what is the difference between tonight and last years 'comeback' that fell short in the carrier dome? What are you posting for. You have swaid the season is over. There are no off-season topics that I can see. Go away, troll.
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 19, 2010 0:04:10 GMT -5
I've gotten on the board before for being way too negative after certain games, but I have to agree that the positivity after this game is pathetic. People saying our season is "saved", people saying we put up a tough effort in a "hostile environment"...etc. Don't worry, point taken. I've changed the offending language since apparently you have cornered the market on hyperbole. .
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Post by westendhoya on Feb 19, 2010 0:14:12 GMT -5
Nice to finally have a respected poster like you make some sense around here...people please open your eyes....the team had 4 days to stew over the debacle that was Rutgers and we came out flatter than any home game I can remember. Everyone saying that this shows this team is so different from last year....oh really..what is the difference between tonight and last years 'comeback' that fell short in the carrier dome? What are you posting for. You have swaid the season is over. There are no off-season topics that I can see. Go away, troll. Yes the season is over as far as reaching our goal of winning a NC in my opinion. That doesn't mean I am going to stop supporting the team or discussing our state of affairs with other posters. Don't think you can go around playing boss because you have 5k posts. Being positive is not the only way to be a "real fan". This season had the chance to be a special/elite season with a 1 or 2 seed with a legit shot at a NC, but now only the most optomistic(naive) fan can say this is possible after the last 5 days. A team that has not won 3 BE games in a row in 2 years is not going to win 5 tough games in a row in the NCAA or (now) 4 games in a row in the BET. The truth is we are heading for a 4-6 seed and F4 runs from those seeds are remembered for a reason (they don't happen very often).
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Post by tashoya on Feb 19, 2010 1:03:42 GMT -5
First of all, a NC is no less realistic now than it was a month ago. That's not optimism, that's fact. Second, thinking we were in line for a 1 seed was naive. Guess what? We don't need a 1 seed. Every good team needs a good draw. Period. Unless you know the brackets, you have no reason to be pessimistic. We lost to Rutgers. Fine. Crap loss. Horrible loss. Chuck the season as a fan if you like. Syracuse is the only team in this league that I even wonder if we can beat more often than not. If you choose to believe that we can't win, fine. I choose to focus on the fact that while we've dropped games that we shouldn't have (and really Rutgers is the only loss that's truly bad), we've also schooled teams that no one outside of Hoya faithful thought we'd smoke. I choose to think that we will figure it out and, since this team mostly plays up when the games are bigger, when the NCAA's come around and the BET for that matter, it would make sense that the guys will be up for it. If you want to preach doom and gloom, that's certainly your right and, since only 1 team ends up winning it all, the chances of you being able to say "told you so" are fantastic. At least in part, it's clear that's what you're looking for so have at it. Do we have deficiencies? Yup. Do we have times when we're flat? Yes. So does every other team that's not elite. There aren't any elite teams this year. So enjoy being pessimistic. Fans can realize that their team is flawed and still be hopeful. Ask any Met fan you know. However, if you think this season no longer has the chance to be special, you're just wrong. It's not over and that's what fans do. They remember it's not over when things are, in fact, not yet over. Calling it this early is what fair-weather fans do. If we win the next 4, is it still over?
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 19, 2010 1:43:30 GMT -5
For the most part, I have to agree with the initial post.
Obviously, it felt better leaving Verizon tonight than if we had lost by 15, 20, or 30. Sure, we gave it a nice run, and the team did show a level of heart and talent that we didn't see much of last year.
But that being said, for 25–30 minutes, we flat out sucked. And that does scare me looking forward.
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Post by Filo on Feb 19, 2010 9:41:47 GMT -5
I don't agree with the sentiment that the season is over, but I do agree with the thought that there was very little to celebrate about this game, even with the huge comeback. In fact, the huge comeback actually adds to the growing sense of frustration and exasperation with this team. I have been saying all along that I really like this team, and I really do, but it is so enigmatic. How can they not show up for almost 3/4 of the game against their arch-rival, who is sitting atop the BE, then pretty much dominate for the last 1/4 but still fall short? How can they lose to a miserable Rutgers team and to USF at home but absolutely smoke Duke and 'Nova?
I am just really struggling with the inconsistency and the prolonged competitive lapses. This is, of course, exacerbated by the ugly collapse last year, which is looming in the background. Sure, this is a different team and I think they have shown that they have more heart than last year's team, but with this late-season inconsistency, the team has not completely escaped the shadow of last year and I was hoping that it would have by now. They still have something to prove over the next 4 games.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 19, 2010 9:56:54 GMT -5
Please, I can just as easily say that most people here, myself included, thought this would be a very tough game to win, and now that we lost a 4 point game, people are crying like babies and saying the season is over.
Exaggeration goes both ways, kids. I doubt anyone is happy that we lost, but some people see it for what it is worth - 1 game. Even if we had won that game, everyone would be saying - we better not have a let down against L'ville. And, when we beat L'ville, people will say, we'll better not lose to ND.
People are entitled to their reactions. Let it go.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Feb 19, 2010 10:05:26 GMT -5
Also consider that our comeback was fueled by them missing shots, not really us making them miss shots. At least that was how it felt to me. So, it was essentially a team comfortable with their giant lead letting off the pedal more than it was us putting it into 5th gear.
There just seems to be such a leadership void on this team. There never seems to be anyone in that huddle willing to step forward at key moments (like down 12 in the first 4 minutes) and perhaps there's no one that huddle will listen to. If ever there was a moment for that player to come forward, last night was it in that 1st half, someone to look at his teammates and tell him YOU need to do X and YOU need to do Y. The lack of that may be a lingering effect from the last time someone DID do that last season. But, it is troubling to see the effort kick up at the 8 min mark of the 2nd half instead of 8 minutes into the game.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Feb 19, 2010 10:07:14 GMT -5
Also consider that our comeback was fueled by them missing shots, not really us making them miss shots. At least that was how it felt to me. So, it was essentially a team comfortable with their giant lead letting off the pedal more than it was us putting it into 5th gear. There just seems to be such a leadership void on this team. There never seems to be anyone in that huddle willing to step forward at key moments (like down 12 in the first 4 minutes) and perhaps there's no one that huddle will listen to. If ever there was a moment for that player to come forward, last night was it in that 1st half, someone to look at his teammates and tell him YOU need to do X and YOU need to do Y. The lack of that may be a lingering effect from the last time someone DID do that last season. But, it is troubling to see the effort kick up at the 8 min mark of the 2nd half instead of 8 minutes into the game. um...methinks a 31-11 run involves both one team missing shots and one team making shots, but that's just a hunch. Man, most Gtown fans are whiny Bs.
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