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Post by hoyatables on Feb 18, 2010 13:12:16 GMT -5
Man, if you're Notre Dame, and down two with the ball in the second OT with time trickling down, how can you not: 1) find a wide open man right underneath the basket for the easiest two you will ever get, and 2) not even get a shot off? I mean, wow, a gritty, noble effort by Irish until that point, but that was an Esherickian final possession. Brey called timeout with 11 seconds left for THAT? A crappy ending to an otherwise incredibly entertaining game. Agree with NCHoya's assessment. ND was absolutely drained by that point. Imagine how our team would look at the end of the second OT in a game where Greg was forced to sit because of injuries, and Vaughn, Bennimon, and Clark had all fouled out. Wright and Free would be running on fumes. Frankly, I was amazed they were able to hit the shots they did. What was actually the most frustrating is that ND could have won it at the end of regulations, but missed four FTs in a row that gave L'ville the opportunity to push it into OT. The only other frustrating thing was that Hansborough had a couple of very selfish moves at key points that resulted in a TO or horrible shot attempt. Had he played with a little more awareness the result might have been different. Oh, and Tory Jackson won the "best impression of a Georgetown player" award for threading the needle on multiple occassions, including an absolutely devastating pass inside to Abromatis for a great back door bucket at a key moment. Great game, and glad I decided to watch it on a whim.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 20, 2010 19:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 20, 2010 20:03:38 GMT -5
Officials repeatedly bailing out Kentucky, for the third or fourth game this year.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 20, 2010 22:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by hoyatables on Feb 21, 2010 8:53:08 GMT -5
Officials repeatedly bailing out Kentucky, for the third or fourth game this year. The end of that game was depressingly reminiscent of Thursday night. Somehow I knew that no matter what they did, Vandy was going to lose. Though in Vandy's case, they at least had the benefit of some missed free throws from Kentucky. And it put Clark's three-point attempt in perspective.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 21, 2010 10:35:30 GMT -5
The frustrating thing is the last few days we saw Pitt, a team the Hoyas beat, knock off Marquette on the road. Something the Hoyas couldn't do. We saw UConn, a team the Hoyas beat, crush Rutgers at Rutgers. The Hoyas couldn't even squeak out a win at Rutgers. And we saw St John's, a team the Hoyas beat, blow out South Florida. The Hoyas fell to USF at home even without Gilchrist in the lineup.
I realize every game is different and the efforts other teams give vary from contest to contest. All things aren't equal. Still its painful to see these outcomes. The Hoyas should have won at least one of those games, perhaps two. In the future, the remaining season and next year, hopefully they'll learn more the importance of coming out ready to play even against non-ranked opponents and how to put inferior teams away.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 21, 2010 12:09:02 GMT -5
I realize every game is different and the efforts other teams give vary from contest to contest. All things aren't equal. Still its painful to see these outcomes. The Hoyas should have won at least one of those games, perhaps two. In the future, the remaining season and next year, hopefully they'll learn more the importance of coming out ready to play even against non-ranked opponents and how to put inferior teams away. I've always believed that when you're battling for seeds in a pack like we are, the real difference maker isn't, say, who beat Nova or Syracuse. Rather, it's who lost games they shouldn't. Our losses to USF and RU right now are the difference between being tied for 3rd and being in 6th place (7th place if MU beats Cincy today). By the same token, if MU misses out on a seed by a game b/c they lost to Depaul or UL does b/c of that terrible SJU effort, that'll hurt.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 21, 2010 13:18:09 GMT -5
I hear you, it's hard to argue that we dont belong behind Pitt, WVU, Syr and Nova when you look at what they've done all season, especially if Pitt wins today.
But all that being said, we are probably only one game off from where we should be and that can even be erased by beating L'ville. I know we had 2 clunkers, but we also have the best road win of the season in the Big East, IMO - at Pittsburgh. If Villanova loses there today, it would hard to argue that.
The reason we might end up in 6th-7th place is because of our schedule. And, I'm still not convinced we will finish any lower than 5th. Marquette and Lville are the teams they are at this point in the season for a reason. I think that will come to bear when all is said and done.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Feb 21, 2010 14:10:05 GMT -5
I hear you, it's hard to argue that we dont belong behind Pitt, WVU, Syr and Nova when you look at what they've done all season, especially if Pitt wins today. But all that being said, we are probably only one game off from where we should be and that can even be erased by beating L'ville. I know we had 2 clunkers, but we also have the best road win of the season in the Big East, IMO - at Pittsburgh. If Villanova loses there today, it would hard to argue that. The reason we might end up in 6th-7th place is because of our schedule. And, I'm still not convinced we will finish any lower than 5th. Marquette and Lville are the teams they are at this point in the season for a reason. I think that will come to bear when all is said and done. Pittsburgh beating Cuse at home was a bigger road win. We do have a tougher schedule than Pitt and Louisville but if we hadn't had those slips we would still be ahead of them. It's almost impossible to predict what seed we'll end up with because I have no idea how we're going to respond in the next couple games and because all of our upcoming games are against at least decent teams. We should try to avoid a 7 seed at any cost though. In that scenario we'd be playing a team trying wrap up a tourney spot with one win. It would be nice to see nova pull out the miracle right now and beat pitt but if pitt does pull out the win the ville game becomes even bigger than it was.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 21, 2010 14:19:30 GMT -5
Syracuse has probably played better on the road than at home. They lost to Lville at home, too. Pitt is a monster at home, and its hard to argue since we are the only team to beat them there in like 3 years.
There is no way we'd finish ahead of Pitt, IMO. They went on the road and beat Marquette and Syracuse, beat WVU and Nova at home, and are much more deserving of the 3 or 4 seed. You can go on all day about who we shouldnt have lost to, but you could say the same about any team. Pitt has simply played better all around than us in the BE. It's definitely a fair result that we finish behind the top 4. Finishing behind Marquette and L'ville would be a disappointment.
I guess the overall point is that even if we beat Rutgers and USF, it is looking like we still werent going to win the 4 seed. We'd probably have to win at WVU and Lville to have made that happen.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 21, 2010 14:24:01 GMT -5
I think Lundquist said Nova has been called for 6 offensive fouls. Guess the refs aren't going for the "dribble-into-the-defender-and-flail-your arms" offensive move.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 21, 2010 14:28:55 GMT -5
Well, Pitt's probably assured themselves of a double bye now. With their remaining schedule, it'd be hard to see them fall out of the top 4.
Only chance at a double bye now is to run the table and hope WVU loses at Nova in their last regular season game.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 21, 2010 14:36:29 GMT -5
Yep. So long double bye.
We really need Marquette to drop a winnable game down the stretch. Losing at Cincy would be nice. They play at home against Lville, and if they won that game, they'd also win any 3 way tie with us and Lville, right?
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Feb 21, 2010 14:45:24 GMT -5
We could be looking at the 7 seed if Marquette takes care of business and we lose to Louisville. Not good.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Feb 21, 2010 14:52:09 GMT -5
We could be looking at the 7 seed if Marquette takes care of business and we lose to Louisville. Not good. Down six at the half now, have to hope Cincy holds on in the second half.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 21, 2010 16:26:20 GMT -5
Well, that stunk...Guess we are officially in 7th place in the Big East....Time to get to work.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 21, 2010 16:30:09 GMT -5
I would not want to finish 7th place in a seven-bid league.
Right now there is a five way car wreck at 8th between UConn, ND, Seton Hall, South Florida, and Cincinnati; all of whom have a .500 record against common opponents.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 21, 2010 16:34:30 GMT -5
First of all, the league may get seven more bids.
Second of all Gtown's RPI and SOS puts it ahead of virtually every BE team right now on that front. Marquette and Louisville could end up having one more win in conference than Gtown and the Hoyas would still be a higher seed come tourney time. That's because the Hoyas have better wins out of conference, better wins so far in conference and not as many bad losses overall as those squads.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 21, 2010 16:39:55 GMT -5
If we dont beat L'ville, we are definitely looking at 7th place. We'd lose all the tie-breakers. But, that said, I agree, I am not worrried about our tourney chances. We could probably win 1-2 more games and still make it in.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Feb 21, 2010 16:41:27 GMT -5
Yup, our NCAA bid is secure unless we have a total collapse. We have 5 top 25 rpi wins and 2 top 50 rpi wins. 7-4 against the top 50 rpi. We might have the best rpi out of conference wins of anybody in the country. Temple 14, Butler 16, Washington 58 and Duke 3.
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