MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 11, 2010 20:24:48 GMT -5
Did the Hoyas have any interest in Selby at any time? I don't know, but unfortunately, he had no interest in Georgetown Not unfortunate at all. The kid's a diva.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Feb 11, 2010 22:36:34 GMT -5
Jason had a lot of talent around him, Marshall is all they have. There have been a lot of very good players out of the WCAC who played on teams that couldn't win (James Gist- GC, Darian Townes(Carroll), etc. BM couldn't win with a young Ty Lawson either. Marshall isn't flashy, but he'll be just fine in a few years. We'll see if Starks is good next year obviously, he's going to get playing time immediately considering that III doesn't show any faith in Vee, and the only guys currently coming off our bench are a sf and pf.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Feb 11, 2010 22:37:09 GMT -5
Did Selby get kicked out of Dematha?
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Post by rustyshackleford on Feb 11, 2010 22:47:34 GMT -5
Just to echo the comments of some others and be clear, Markel has been considered the best out of the three (Marshall and TT) by a lot of people who follow metro hoops. This isn't only a recent thing either, I remember that capitol hoops and others had him above the other two last year. (even before people wondered about Marshall's progression--- this isn't even mentioning Eric Atkins who should be mentioned with that group of very good local pg's and who is going to be a nice pickup for the Irish)
There's an undeniable Tobacco Road bias to burger boy selections and scout/rivals ratings. The fact that either (forget both) of the Wears made it last year to the McdAA game was the most recent example and easily more egregious than the Marshall choice.
I am a little surprised that Nate hasn't moved up from the already high #35 he was at in the summer '10 rsci. He seems to continuously put up impressive performance against good competition and yet not really move in rankings.
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2010 23:18:51 GMT -5
Marshall plays right down the street from us, and I'll go over to O'Connell for the big games - and I can honestly say I have never seen a game where he has been the best player on the floor. And many times in the bigger matchups he hasn't even been one of the two or three best players on the floor. So yeah, I think having him on this roster is pretty much a joke.
Dunno - maybe he plays better in the summer camps in front of the scouts and gurus
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Post by RDF on Feb 12, 2010 0:04:07 GMT -5
I watched Marshall gets his ass handed to him by Phil Pressey--who is an average player. Just got his head handed to him--I think a legless Stevie Wonder would've stayed in front of Pressey more. Then I watched him get his ass handed to him by Quinn Cook--although it was obvious Dematha was the better team by a lot---still Marshall should've been the most impressive guard on court--which is all I do in watching these games--look at talent and how they are compared to how "gurus" project them.
Marshall will be a nice fit for UNC's offense because he will set up teammates and get ball to right people. He'll be a liability until he gets a respectable jumpshot and he's not threat to beat anyone off the dribble in halfcourt. Defensively--he's a liability--with no upside.
Markel Starks has always showed well when facing good competition. His matchup against Selby and a loaded DeMatha team in ROCK league is still on YouTube for those who want to see. He took an average IAC team and they went toe to toe with DeMatha.
I'll take any bet with anyone who likes Marshall over Starks---that Markel will make this comparison an embarrassment by end of their careers. I know "UNC offered......blah blah blah...."--I said it when I first saw both players--will keep saying it--Georgetown has the superior player.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 12, 2010 7:04:05 GMT -5
ok bmartin WRIGHT ON from what ive seen marshall and his team have been pretty bad this year oconnell has lost LOTS of games to lesser teams and even with that hes not been the leading scorer frequently and some think markel will be the player of the year in dc sooooooo we will take all americans and great local players and solid national players kinda trust coach to put together a pretty good team dont ya think. but agree that marshall was early hyped dont think hes that great.. results count.. that oconnel team with jason was dynamite.. think jason better and starks better so but just my humble opinon WE WILL SEE go hoyas beat rutgers.. go anybody beat freaking maryland dont believe that thomas or whatever his name is probably wont play for duke in the rescheduled twerp game on monday.. go hoyas all americans and tough role players yup one and all
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 12, 2010 7:05:22 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaalf on Feb 12, 2010 8:14:00 GMT -5
Burger, shmerger.
Give me 8-9 kids with the heart and mind of a winner!
They don't all have to be uber-recruits.
If for every Jeff Green we have two Jon Wallaces, we will win ...
LIKE WE"RE GOING TO WIN AT RAC.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 12, 2010 8:48:25 GMT -5
Didn't Markel pretty much shut things down this spring and summer in regards to playing AAU and the showcase camps and remained well under the radar of the so-called experts.
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Post by Oh My! on Feb 12, 2010 9:34:49 GMT -5
A few things to note here...................
1) Recognition as a McD's AA & participation in the game is nice & all, but I highly doubt that the GU coaching staff *really* cares one bit if any of our signees gets selected. Graduating HS Seniors can play in 2 National "AA" games, so I feel pretty certain that both Nate & Markel will get opportunities to compete this Spring against other "All-Star"-type teams. I can virtually guarantee that Markel will be on a roster for the Capital Classic (no longer sponsored by Jordan Brand, now by "Bart & Associates"), and Nate could well be selected, too. Cap Classic always tries to highlight DC-area signees, so expect to see both of those guys compete on April 15 at Bender Arena.
2) There seem to be more "Undecided" players on this year's rosters than in years past. I wonder how many of these may need JuCo or a Prep year.
3) The Hoyas *did* have an early interest in Selby, when he was at Dematha, but as indicated above, he had no interest in GU. Let's hope Quinn Cook does NOT have similar feelings.
4) Joe Jackson is my early favorite for McD AA game MVP. Dude can ball.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Feb 12, 2010 11:37:21 GMT -5
He de-committed over the summer, and when Bruce Pearl was out of the country. Hilarious. Indiana wants him, Kentucky wants him and UConn's trying hard, although the Huskies want Brandon Knight, (a freaking stud), and Corey Joseph, (another freaking stud), more than Selby I'll be stunned if Brandon Knight doesnt end up at Kentucky.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 12, 2010 13:12:42 GMT -5
Frankly, I'm happier having a strong core of NON-McD's. Sure, we've had a few that have worked out (I know...that's a gross understatement). But I also worry about the Macklin problem: guys with high expectations for themselves but who don't fit in the system and don't work as hard as they could to make the Hoyas a better team (remember the article where Mack admitted not really giving it his all while at GU?). I'll take dudes like Clark, Vaughn, Wallace, Ewing Jr., Sapp, etc. any day of the year. Sure, the McD's talent is nice, and if they'll come in and really dedicate themselves to the TEAM concept (like CW, Monroe, etc.), then that's awesome. But the fact that Nate and Markel aren't McD's doesn't bother me for a second.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 12, 2010 14:23:40 GMT -5
But the fact that Nate and Markel aren't McD's doesn't bother me for a second. This is the take-away. Greg, Chris and Austin were all McD's AA. We should be excited when they come to GU and there's no doubt that higher ranked players are more likely to be better than lower ranked players. That said, it doesn't mean the other guys aren't just as good. Nate is as good as most of those McD's AA and Markel has outperformed many of them as well. Jeff, Roy and Jon came nowhere near the game. Vernon Macklin went and Summers went to the Jordan. It's not set in stone, and the evaluators aren't anywhere close to always right as well as fit and style being important as well.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 12, 2010 14:25:14 GMT -5
Weren't the Plumlees McD AA's. My eyes tell me they suck.
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Post by hifigator on Feb 12, 2010 16:03:26 GMT -5
He de-committed over the summer, and when Bruce Pearl was out of the country. Hilarious. Indiana wants him, Kentucky wants him and UConn's trying hard, although the Huskies want Brandon Knight, (a freaking stud), and Corey Joseph, (another freaking stud), more than Selby I know this is "high on your list" but since you brought it up, Florida is on Brandon Knight's very short list. One site -- can't remmember if it was scout or rivals -- had taken Duke off, and the comment was "down to Florida and UConn." Given Calhoun's problems, that might favor the Gators.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 12, 2010 16:08:35 GMT -5
He de-committed over the summer, and when Bruce Pearl was out of the country. Hilarious. Indiana wants him, Kentucky wants him and UConn's trying hard, although the Huskies want Brandon Knight, (a freaking stud), and Corey Joseph, (another freaking stud), more than Selby I know this is "high on your list" but since you brought it up, Florida is on Brandon Knight's very short list. One site -- can't remmember if it was scout or rivals -- had taken Duke off, and the comment was "down to Florida and UConn." Given Calhoun's problems, that might favor the Gators. If the kid reads this board, he'll know you're a edited and that might help UCONN. Of course, if he can read, he'll probably go right to Dean in Gainesville.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2010 16:22:23 GMT -5
Vernon was a McD. One Plumlee was a McD and the other a Jordan participant.
Give me Jeff Green, Roy and Wallace again over any McDs at their positions.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 12, 2010 16:29:25 GMT -5
It's potluck any way you look at it, except with a higher probability of success for the McDs. Basically, there's a lot of talent in a small pool of players. Many will succeed, while some will be over-hyped and will not star at the next level. Obviously, a lot of good players will be left out. Finding the gems over the over-hyped is the real talent.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 12, 2010 16:43:32 GMT -5
It's potluck any way you look at it, except with a higher probability of success for the McDs. Basically, there's a lot of talent in a small pool of players. Many will succeed, while some will be over-hyped and will not star at the next level. Obviously, a lot of good players will be left out. Finding the gems over the over-hyped is the real talent. Yes, but the key to also understanding the increased chance of success is that the top few in a class are absolute guarantees (and there's few of those). After that the curve flattens for a decently long while. McD's extra success rests more on the top few than on where they draw the line.
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