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Post by hifigator on Feb 4, 2010 16:03:36 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 4, 2010 17:46:30 GMT -5
He's getting out before the NCAA comes calling. The cheating in the Florida football program is only surpassed by that of the Kentucky basketball program.
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Post by RDF on Feb 4, 2010 21:01:42 GMT -5
Really a LOW CLASS move by Florida. It's not like Bills haven't had a Head Coach hired just this past weekend-they knew Edwards was gone and didn't announce it--and in all honesty-I doubt recruits would've switched their commitments.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Feb 5, 2010 0:12:38 GMT -5
meh - I think if you look around you will see a lot of coaching moves being delayed until after signing day. Not that it is pristine but I would submit it ain't just something UF does.
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Post by RDF on Feb 5, 2010 0:32:45 GMT -5
meh - I think if you look around you will see a lot of coaching moves being delayed until after signing day. Not that it is pristine but I would submit it ain't just something UF does. It's low class when your HC is a guy who makes up illnesses and stories about taking a leave of absence when in reality it's from pure distraught over getting his ass handed to him by Alabama and Tebow's career won't end in NC game. Maybe "Urban will risk death to find another coach" as he told Shariff Floyd he'd do just to "coach him".
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Post by hifigator on Feb 5, 2010 12:09:05 GMT -5
RDF, you are pretty much of a bitter clown whose goal in life is to find controversy. In all fairness, I was initially disturbed by the timing of the announcement. On the surface it could look like a ploy to trick recruits into signing. Fortunately the University announced that they will give any recruit who wishes out of his LOI the opportunity.
If you look at it further, Chan Gailey was just hired by Buffalo and he needed to get his staff together. Edwards was an obvious choice from his standpoint. From Edwards' standpoint, it is a move up the ladder. I don't know how official these numbers are, but what I have heard is that he made about 350,000 as LB coach for the Dolphins. We were giving him a little over double that to be our DC. Finally, the numbers I have heard for his position with Buffalo is double that again, at $1.5 million. Given he seems to be more of a pro football guy, his making this decision isn't much of a surprise. Purely from the coaching and living standpoint, I would think most of us would rather live in Florida and coach the talent that we will have on defense in the coming years, than go to the business of the NFL, live in Buffalo and fight the uphill battle to succeed in the AFC East. Who knows. In any case, your immediate -- almost instinctual -- tendency to create some form of collusion or deceit in this and all other decisions is somewhat disturbing ... or at least it would be, if I didn't consider the source.
Lastly, your obsession with fabricating the idea that Meyer made up an illness is just baffling. What part of the entire incident do you think he, or anyone else connected with the story was anything other than genuine? And no, I don't believe in the Loch Ness Monster either, in spite of those grainy black and white pictures you have.
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Post by hifigator on Feb 5, 2010 12:12:56 GMT -5
He's getting out before the NCAA comes calling. The cheating in the Florida football program is only surpassed by that of the Kentucky basketball program. Ummm, I think you are talking about USC or Bama. I'm sure there is some intended sarcasm there, but stilll. I think I can say with the utmost of confidence that the NCAA did not weigh in Edwards' deision in the least.
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Post by Boz on Feb 5, 2010 12:23:01 GMT -5
I think I can say with the utmost of confidence that this may be one of the least interesting threads in the history of Hoyatalk.
A college team no one here cares about and a pro team that about two people here care about.
Some sort of award is in order.
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Post by guru on Feb 5, 2010 12:24:06 GMT -5
I think I can say with the utmost of confidence that this may be one of the least interesting threads in the history of Hoyatalk. A college team no one here cares about and a pro team that about two people here care about. Some sort of award is in order. And yet RDF still finds a way to blow a gasket over it!
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Post by hifigator on Feb 5, 2010 12:49:46 GMT -5
I think I can say with the utmost of confidence that this may be one of the least interesting threads in the history of Hoyatalk. A college team no one here cares about and a pro team that about two people here care about. Some sort of award is in order. Thank You very much! I'd like to thank all the little people who made this whole thing possible. I'd like to thank the mods for understanding the difference between being controversial and being unacceptable. I'd like to thank the many members of Hoyatalk who add to disucussions of everything from abortion to wrestling. I'd like to thank RDF for being the natural lightning rod that he is. And most of all, I'd like to thank myself. Without me, this award would not have been possible. Thanks Again! (applause, applause, applause!!!) (HiFI raising little statue over head, tears welling up in eyes ...) fade to black ...
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Post by RDF on Feb 5, 2010 12:53:02 GMT -5
Urban Meyer is a liar and faker. He's about as sick as you are for your obsession with bringing Gator drivel to this site. He can't handle getting his ass kicked in the SEC Title game and his boy toy leaving Gainesville in the humiliating manner he did. He pulled a "Calhoun" and has backed up by proving my point/doubt for me.
Love that my comments irritated you Hifi and wish you nothing but the worst.
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Post by hifigator on Feb 5, 2010 14:34:14 GMT -5
Urban Meyer is a liar and faker. He's about as sick as you are for your obsession with bringing Gator drivel to this site. He can't handle getting his ass kicked in the SEC Title game and his boy toy leaving Gainesville in the humiliating manner he did. He pulled a "Calhoun" and has backed up by proving my point/doubt for me. Love that my comments irritated you Hifi and wish you nothing but the worst. OK, one by one: Urban Meyer is a liar Please provide your evidence. Meyer is abrasive perhaps. Meyer isn't the most personable guy, for sure. Meyer doesn't care about all the politically correct drivel. But one thing that hasn't even been suggested by ANYONE aside from little old RDF of Georgetown board fame is that he lies. and faker. He's about as sick as you are for your obsession with bringing Gator drivel to this site. He can't handle getting his ass kicked in the SEC Title game You have made this suggestion before, but have yet to provide any form of support. You suggest he loses a game and then fakes an injury/illness ... In case you hadn't noticed, he's lost more than a handful of games before. He's also done more than his share of winning. I think it's the games he's won that pi$$ you off, not the ones he loses. In any case, if you wish to make an outlandish suggestion of this sort, then at least provide some insight as to your views. Merely saying he lost a game and then fabricated this illness doesn't stand on its own. As for my being sick, maybe you're right. The fact that I am trying to have a legitimate conversation and seriously debate a topic with YOU, does certainly indicate some degree of illness. He pulled a "Calhoun" and has backed up by proving my point/doubt for me. I'm not sure what your point is here. Calhoun was sick and did in fack take a sabatical, correct? The fact that other coaches have been in similar situations only further supports the idea that Meyer's case is NOT a fabrication. Love that my comments irritated you Hifi and wish you nothing but the worst.Don't flatter yourself there, bub. I wasn't in the slightest irritated. But I will "meet you halfway:" I too wish you nothing but the worst!
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Post by RDF on Feb 5, 2010 17:04:48 GMT -5
I'm really getting to little lizard boy and this is OUTSTANDING. In the past he'd act like he was "above the fray" but he's really been a female dog since his boys got their ass handed to them against Alabama-and did his annual "sabbatical" but to Hifi's credit his hiding actually exists--where Meyer holds a press conference saying he's ill and needs a leave and since then...:
1. He's coached the bowl game 2. Been active in recruiting season 3. Been interviewed/seen on ESPN MORE then most healthy coaches 4. Used his illness to his advantage in recruiting and talking about "god" to players and willingness to "risk his health to coach INSERT RECRUIT NAME HERE".
It's FAKE. It's insulting to people out there who are truly ill and fight their asses off against disease and these high profile coaches use illness as a sympathy ploy and play it out in public when thousands of people with more pressing health issues fight and do so in silence and have legit concerns--without the public "begging them to not leave...." and all that CRAP.
If you are sick--Shut up and take care of yourself. If it's truly threatening illness--your damn life is far more important then your job and if it's not--then sickness applies to mental health--not just physical. At least Calhoun has not done an interview per hour as he did last year which was pathetic, and Meyer has been far worse in using his "illness" to an advantage--bringing it up in recruiting is disgusting-but whatever it takes to get kids to Gainesville goes.
Hifi--say what you want--but your responses and the tone proves how much some of us who despise you are starting to get to you--and it's great. Your misery brings joy to those of us who wish you ill. In fact--I hope whatever Meyer "has" you get--oh wait---guess the hiccups and indigestion only provide discomfort--better have Urby's wife call 911. As if going to the emergency room means anything is wrong--as is the only thing to come out. Heaven forbid he was released and hasn't shown one thing wrong with him since and has altered his stance on what he was going to do more then Brett Favre. It's his right to do so-but it's also mine to call it out for what it is-phony garbage.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 5, 2010 22:49:25 GMT -5
He's getting out before the NCAA comes calling. The cheating in the Florida football program is only surpassed by that of the Kentucky basketball program. Ummm, I think you are talking about USC or Bama. I'm sure there is some intended sarcasm there, but stilll. I think I can say with the utmost of confidence that the NCAA did not weigh in Edwards' deision in the least. Nope, I'm talking about Florida. The day of reckoning is coming soon.
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Post by hifigator on Feb 8, 2010 11:31:25 GMT -5
9797 wrote:
Nope, I'm talking about Florida. The day of reckoning is coming soon.
And you place your confidence in this predicion on .... ? Strangely enough, normally when there are rumors about impending penalties/sanctions, there are at least a handful of suspicious dealings or incidents. Conspicuously, in this case there aren't any. If you have knowledge of any, please let me know so I can pass them on to the proper individuals.
RDF wrote:
I'm really getting to little lizard boy and this is OUTSTANDING. In the past he'd act like he was "above the fray" but he's really been a female dog since his boys got their ass handed to them against Alabama-and did his annual "sabbatical" but to Hifi's credit his hiding actually exists--where Meyer holds a press conference saying he's ill and needs a leave and since then...:
1. He's coached the bowl game 2. Been active in recruiting season 3. Been interviewed/seen on ESPN MORE then most healthy coaches 4. Used his illness to his advantage in recruiting and talking about "god" to players and willingness to "risk his health to coach INSERT RECRUIT NAME HERE".
It's FAKE. It's insulting to people out there who are truly ill and fight their asses off against disease and these high profile coaches use illness as a sympathy ploy and play it out in public when thousands of people with more pressing health issues fight and do so in silence and have legit concerns--without the public "begging them to not leave...." and all that CRAP.
If you are sick--Shut up and take care of yourself. If it's truly threatening illness--your damn life is far more important then your job and if it's not--then sickness applies to mental health--not just physical. At least Calhoun has not done an interview per hour as he did last year which was pathetic, and Meyer has been far worse in using his "illness" to an advantage--bringing it up in recruiting is disgusting-but whatever it takes to get kids to Gainesville goes.
Hifi--say what you want--but your responses and the tone proves how much some of us who despise you are starting to get to you--and it's great. Your misery brings joy to those of us who wish you ill. In fact--I hope whatever Meyer "has" you get--oh wait---guess the hiccups and indigestion only provide discomfort--better have Urby's wife call 911. As if going to the emergency room means anything is wrong--as is the only thing to come out. Heaven forbid he was released and hasn't shown one thing wrong with him since and has altered his stance on what he was going to do more then Brett Favre. It's his right to do so-but it's also mine to call it out for what it is-phony garbage.
??What are you talking about??
I've said all along that if you think Meyer in some way, made up or fabricated the health issue for some reason, then that's your opinion. But if you want anyone else to take you seriously, then you need to provide some sort of evidence, at the very least, a logical progression to arrive at that point. We all understand how a Miami Cane fan can and will conjure up any sort of tale which in any possible way reflects negatively on the Gators. That much we all understand. I mince no words about my similar attitude towards the scum-of-the-earth Seminoles as well as the dreaded Orange. That being said, and as I mentioned before, if you wish to have your opinion viewed as anything other than the radical perspective of a rival fan, then you need to give us some reason to do so.
Finally, look at it the other way. Don't come at it from the perpsective that you want Meyer to be fatally flawed in some way, but rather from the perspective that "If he is being genuine, then does everything make sense." You obviously have the idea of "I need him to be some sort of liar and cheat, so what can I dream up to achieve that end." That is flawed from the start. But again, I'm sure you already know that.
I would like to see you at least try to support your position however. This might be somewhat entertaining. I'd better pack a lunch first though. This might take a while.
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Post by RDF on Feb 8, 2010 14:31:12 GMT -5
9797 wrote: Nope, I'm talking about Florida. The day of reckoning is coming soon. And you place your confidence in this predicion on .... ? Strangely enough, normally when there are rumors about impending penalties/sanctions, there are at least a handful of suspicious dealings or incidents. Conspicuously, in this case there aren't any. If you have knowledge of any, please let me know so I can pass them on to the proper individuals. RDF wrote: I'm really getting to little lizard boy and this is OUTSTANDING. In the past he'd act like he was "above the fray" but he's really been a female dog since his boys got their ass handed to them against Alabama-and did his annual "sabbatical" but to Hifi's credit his hiding actually exists--where Meyer holds a press conference saying he's ill and needs a leave and since then...:
1. He's coached the bowl game 2. Been active in recruiting season 3. Been interviewed/seen on ESPN MORE then most healthy coaches 4. Used his illness to his advantage in recruiting and talking about "god" to players and willingness to "risk his health to coach INSERT RECRUIT NAME HERE".
It's FAKE. It's insulting to people out there who are truly ill and fight their asses off against disease and these high profile coaches use illness as a sympathy ploy and play it out in public when thousands of people with more pressing health issues fight and do so in silence and have legit concerns--without the public "begging them to not leave...." and all that CRAP.
If you are sick--Shut up and take care of yourself. If it's truly threatening illness--your damn life is far more important then your job and if it's not--then sickness applies to mental health--not just physical. At least Calhoun has not done an interview per hour as he did last year which was pathetic, and Meyer has been far worse in using his "illness" to an advantage--bringing it up in recruiting is disgusting-but whatever it takes to get kids to Gainesville goes.
Hifi--say what you want--but your responses and the tone proves how much some of us who despise you are starting to get to you--and it's great. Your misery brings joy to those of us who wish you ill. In fact--I hope whatever Meyer "has" you get--oh wait---guess the hiccups and indigestion only provide discomfort--better have Urby's wife call 911. As if going to the emergency room means anything is wrong--as is the only thing to come out. Heaven forbid he was released and hasn't shown one thing wrong with him since and has altered his stance on what he was going to do more then Brett Favre. It's his right to do so-but it's also mine to call it out for what it is-phony garbage. ??What are you talking about?? I've said all along that if you think Meyer in some way, made up or fabricated the health issue for some reason, then that's your opinion. But if you want anyone else to take you seriously, then you need to provide some sort of evidence, at the very least, a logical progression to arrive at that point. We all understand how a Miami Cane fan can and will conjure up any sort of tale which in any possible way reflects negatively on the Gators. That much we all understand. I mince no words about my similar attitude towards the scum-of-the-earth Seminoles as well as the dreaded Orange. That being said, and as I mentioned before, if you wish to have your opinion viewed as anything other than the radical perspective of a rival fan, then you need to give us some reason to do so. Finally, look at it the other way. Don't come at it from the perpsective that you want Meyer to be fatally flawed in some way, but rather from the perspective that "If he is being genuine, then does everything make sense." You obviously have the idea of "I need him to be some sort of liar and cheat, so what can I dream up to achieve that end." That is flawed from the start. But again, I'm sure you already know that. I would like to see you at least try to support your position however. This might be somewhat entertaining. I'd better pack a lunch first though. This might take a while. I've listed FACTS as to what has happened since Meyer supposedly was so ill he couldn't "coach anymore". Meyer has stated nothing factually about being ill--his wife has said she called 911--well some people call 911 when they have a hang nail and some people "collapse" because they are dehydrated--which is the only thing I've heard about the "Legend". The guy was going to hold a Presser resigning due to "health concerns" and then I listed the FACTUAL EVENTS that took place and if you want me to list individual recruit names that he told his bullcrap about--I will list Shariff Floyd, Ronald Powell, Mack Brown, Matt Elam....I can continue if you like. What facts do you have to support Urban? I've seen none but speculation as to why I'm trashing this lying SOB and anyone who pretends to be ill to use it as an "advantage" is truly ill. It's an insult to those who are sick and would love to trade positions with a self centered, lying, guy who is in charge of "amateur" athletes.
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Post by hifigator on Feb 8, 2010 15:43:57 GMT -5
RDF, you completely nuts. Meyer would have ZERO benefit, recruiting wise to fabricate illness. It took a lot of work to keep such a heralded recruiting class together, much less improve on it. When you suggest that he "lied" and made up the illness, that is what I question. You say you listed "facts." Well, sort of. Yes he coached in a bowl game. That is what coaches do, in case you hadn't noticed. Yes, we just finished recruiting. That is what coaches do, in case you hadn't noticed. Yes, he's on an extended vacation/leave of absence/sabatical ... whatever you want to call it. Maybe you are just jealous. I'm not too proud to say that I'm envious of someone who makes 4 million dollars a year to begin with, let alone having 2 or 3 months of paid vacation. But that doesn't make him a liar.
As to your insinuation that the claim of a 911 call was just a stunt, you are competely nuts. They actually released the tape and it clearly had nothing to do with some kind of ploy.
On one hand I can understand someone being cybnical towards someone who claims to have stress issues while making $4 million a year. It's natural to question that when one is struggling just to put food on the table. But regardless, that doesn't have anything to do with a claim of lying.
Lastly, the "support" I have is simple logic. There is zero reason to doubt the series of events. Meyer has a history of chest pains. They have been diagnosed as primarily stress related. The episode in December was a more severe one. He was admitted to the hospital and treated for dehydration. Why would you suggest that any of that is fabricated?
After deliberation and spending time with his family during the holidays, Meyer, who was friends with Skip Prosser, the Wake Forest coach who died from heart issues unexpectedly just last year, decided to resign. But after just a few hours, he decided to give a leave of absence a shot. Why does any of that seem strange to you? Why do you think he would make any of that up? He has ZERO reason to fabricate any single part of that. The only "lie" you could suggest was if you thought that he had no intention of coming back and only said so to keep the recruiting class together. Personally, I don't believe that but either way time will tell. In any case, you have said nothing. You call Meyer assorted names and make outlandish claims which make no sense at all, and you offer up no support for your ridiculous views.
Lastly, you say this is somehow an "insult to those who are sick." Umm, I'm not exactly sure how you could say this. Granted there are degrees of illness and as you point out, some hypochondriacs are "always" sick. But given this has never come up in the past, it's awfully hard to put Meyer in such a situation.
Just face the music: you are a Cane fan. As such, you have an instinctual hatred of the Gators. Additionally, the Gators have been so good winning two Natty Tites in the past 4 years and narrowly missing out on a third. Meyer, being the coach of the team, is a natural lightning rod for someone like you. That much I get. But don't conjure up a bunch of hooey about lying and making up illnesses. You just come off looking like a bitter buffoon.
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Post by RDF on Feb 9, 2010 0:17:46 GMT -5
RDF, you completely nuts. Meyer would have ZERO benefit, recruiting wise to fabricate illness. It took a lot of work to keep such a heralded recruiting class together, much less improve on it. When you suggest that he "lied" and made up the illness, that is what I question. You say you listed "facts." Well, sort of. Yes he coached in a bowl game. That is what coaches do, in case you hadn't noticed. Yes, we just finished recruiting. That is what coaches do, in case you hadn't noticed. Yes, he's on an extended vacation/leave of absence/sabatical ... whatever you want to call it. Maybe you are just jealous. I'm not too proud to say that I'm envious of someone who makes 4 million dollars a year to begin with, let alone having 2 or 3 months of paid vacation. But that doesn't make him a liar. As to your insinuation that the claim of a 911 call was just a stunt, you are competely nuts. They actually released the tape and it clearly had nothing to do with some kind of ploy. On one hand I can understand someone being cybnical towards someone who claims to have stress issues while making $4 million a year. It's natural to question that when one is struggling just to put food on the table. But regardless, that doesn't have anything to do with a claim of lying. Lastly, the "support" I have is simple logic. There is zero reason to doubt the series of events. Meyer has a history of chest pains. They have been diagnosed as primarily stress related. The episode in December was a more severe one. He was admitted to the hospital and treated for dehydration. Why would you suggest that any of that is fabricated? After deliberation and spending time with his family during the holidays, Meyer, who was friends with Skip Prosser, the Wake Forest coach who died from heart issues unexpectedly just last year, decided to resign. But after just a few hours, he decided to give a leave of absence a shot. Why does any of that seem strange to you? Why do you think he would make any of that up? He has ZERO reason to fabricate any single part of that. The only "lie" you could suggest was if you thought that he had no intention of coming back and only said so to keep the recruiting class together. Personally, I don't believe that but either way time will tell. In any case, you have said nothing. You call Meyer assorted names and make outlandish claims which make no sense at all, and you offer up no support for your ridiculous views. Lastly, you say this is somehow an "insult to those who are sick." Umm, I'm not exactly sure how you could say this. Granted there are degrees of illness and as you point out, some hypochondriacs are "always" sick. But given this has never come up in the past, it's awfully hard to put Meyer in such a situation. Just face the music: you are a Cane fan. As such, you have an instinctual hatred of the Gators. Additionally, the Gators have been so good winning two Natty Tites in the past 4 years and narrowly missing out on a third. Meyer, being the coach of the team, is a natural lightning rod for someone like you. That much I get. But don't conjure up a bunch of hooey about lying and making up illnesses. You just come off looking like a bitter buffoon. It has nothing to do with being a Miami fan--it has to do with issues of lying and misleading players. Meyer's done that. What the EXPLETIVE was the Press Conference for? Even the National Media has questioned the "I love Florida--Florida loves Me" Presser Meyer conducted. Either you are too sick/stressed to coach or you are not. Either you are leaving or you are not. He's done nothing to dismiss my point-and your "defense" consists of me trying to discredit him because I support a team in a different conference? I hate Florida and I HATE YOU but that has nothing to do with my point. I'm the first to pile on Miami here--and I support them-so how in the hell is this even an issue? Randy Shannon is a mediocre coach imo--but he's not lying to his players or recruits about his health to gain an advantage or sympathy and Shannon's personal life is filled with hell. I think Tebow is a tool but supported his commercial last night because he has that right to voice his opinion. Didn't think it was that "controversial" either. He went to Florida. Meyer is a liar. He talks of conducting a first class program and being "above the fray" yet 30 something players have been arrested during his time. Why did Floyd, Powell, Brown, and Elam all say that "Nothing will change--he's not going anywhere--his health is fine--he needed a break but will be back by Spring Practice". Floyd's comments about "he told me he'd risk his health to coach me....." were sickening. Look-I didn't announce he was leaving--he did. I didn't have a Press Conference that was basically a "UF love in" and served what purpose? He's got chest pains--that can be GAS you ignorant hillibilly. The claims of him gaining 20 lbs while conducting one of his numerous interviews was fascinating--since he looks exactly the same as he did other then disgusted with his team getting beaten by a better team that day. It's just a pathetic ploy that has been executed by a slimeball of a human being and just hope he gets what he deserves for using illness as a diverson/motivation whatever it was--but dragging in the Skip Prosser excuse is even more sick. If he was a friend and you are seriously at risk with your health and ignore it--what does this say? Every point you are trying to use as "support" to counter my facts and points is just making my case for me. Keep it up--and yes I do like Miami Hurricane Football-and how that factors in when the Hurricane program is nowhere near the level of Florida right now and with this issue is beyond me? I would think any coach who uses illness as a diverson and creates a story that has no evidence of fact and nothing has changed minus a "mini vacation"-is warranted of being bashed. Like me or don't--one thing people can't say about me is that I play "favorites". I have plenty of people I cannot stand who play for teams I support or issues that have taken place where I am more then willing to attack their character or lack of it. So quit trying to play that pile of dogFECES as a "defense" of your beloved scumball of a human being football coach.
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Post by hifigator on Feb 9, 2010 13:01:53 GMT -5
We're not getting anywhere, but you are making it easier to point out why I question what you say.
It has nothing to do with being a Miami fan--it has to do with issues of lying and misleading players. Meyer's done that. What the EXPLETIVE was the Press Conference for?
The point that you are a Miami fan is only relevant insofar as to indicate a predisposition to be more critical. That doesn't mean it is the sole source of your disdain, but it clearly factors in to a degree. Secondly, and most importantly, you insist on traveling down this "lying" path. Again, where are all of these perpetual lies you keep speaking of? Finally, the press conference was to announce his resigning. Upon further reflection and upon being convinced by others, he decided to give a leave of absence a shot. I still have no idea why the hell you think this not to be the truth. I understand that things could have been tidier. Maybe he was a bit rash in originally announcing his resignation. I wouldn't argue that. Maybe there should have been more going on behind closed doors. I wouldn't argue that. But the idea that it was a complete fabrication simply makes ZERO ... understand this much is not in debate ... your idea of complete fabrication makes ZERO sense.
Even the National Media has questioned the "I love Florida--Florida loves Me" Presser Meyer conducted. Either you are too sick/stressed to coach or you are not. Either you are leaving or you are not.
He was intending on leaving permanently, but was conviced to make the sabatical temporary.
He's done nothing to dismiss my point-and your "defense" consists of me trying to discredit him because I support a team in a different conference? I hate Florida and I HATE YOU but that has nothing to do with my point.
You haven't made a friggin point That's what you don't understand. You throw out the term "liar" as you have in the past, but fall well short of making a point. Calling him a liar isn't making a point. At least your last sentence there finally makes a point: you hate Florida and you hate me. Fair enough, but that has nothing to do with the topic.
I'm the first to pile on Miami here--and I support them-so how in the hell is this even an issue? Randy Shannon is a mediocre coach imo--but he's not lying to his players or recruits about his health to gain an advantage or sympathy and Shannon's personal life is filled with hell.
Once again, you say absolutely nothing here. You once again throw out claims of lying and offer no support. I will take your word as to Shannon's life. I know very little about it, but it is totally irrelevant in this discussion.
I think Tebow is a tool but supported his commercial last night because he has that right to voice his opinion. Didn't think it was that "controversial" either. He went to Florida.
I totally agree with this statement and that is what I said all along when the "controversy" first broke. I was urging all the critics to see the ad first before casting a stone and passing judgment. In fact on my segment on the air yesterday, I got to gloat a bit by pointing that very fact out and then offered up, for all those critics who were so quick to lambaste someone for something they didn't know anything about, a cumulative BLANK off!" I said I couldn't fill in the blank, but that it rhymed with what they play hockey with.
Meyer is a liar. He talks of conducting a first class program and being "above the fray" yet 30 something players have been arrested during his time. Why did Floyd, Powell, Brown, and Elam all say that "Nothing will change--he's not going anywhere--his health is fine--he needed a break but will be back by Spring Practice".
Again, you call Meyer a liar, yet conspicuously you once again fail to explain how. As for the overally program, I admit that we have had more off the field issues than I would like. There's no denying that. What can be said is how those issues were handled. We don't ignore problems and hope they will go away, nor do we give offending players a slap on the wrist like making them run after practice a bit more like certain other programs. Finally, Meyer certainlly can't be accused of lying related to your last statement. He has been consistent from the very day the leave of absence was announced. He intends to coach the University of Florida. There are some health issues that need to be examined. Obviously this might include a scaled back coaching regimen. It has been highly speculated that Meyer will designate special teams coaching to another assistane. Urban has been the special teams coordinator since the beginning. In any case, there's no lying going on here for sure. Meyer expects to be coaching the University of Florida and the players expect him to be coaching the University of Florida. Umm ... not much room for "lying" there.
Look-I didn't announce he was leaving--he did. I didn't have a Press Conference that was basically a "UF love in" and served what purpose? He's got chest pains--that can be GAS you ignorant hillibilly. The claims of him gaining 20 lbs while conducting one of his numerous interviews was fascinating--since he looks exactly the same as he did other then disgusted with his team getting beaten by a better team that day.
More of the same. Sure, chest pains can be a lot of things. Understood. But this wasn't a one time incident. He had a history of similar incidents. How severe were each of them? I don't know. Did they get progressively worse or were they more random in severity? I don't know. What we do know was that the latest episode struck a nerve so to speak. I still think that his friendship with Prosser also factored into his initial decision, but to what degree I don't know. Finally, you are nuts if you deny the difference in his appearance. Several had commented on his almost gaunt look long before we heard anything serious and WAY before the press conferences.
It's just a pathetic ploy that has been executed by a slimeball of a human being and just hope he gets what he deserves for using illness as a diverson/motivation whatever it was--but dragging in the Skip Prosser excuse is even more sick. If he was a friend and you are seriously at risk with your health and ignore it--what does this say? Every point you are trying to use as "support" to counter my facts and points is just making my case for me.
What kind of twisted sense of reality do you live in? Why do you find it so hard to believe that someone could change their mind? Is that an ideal gameplan? No, but that's not the question. Why do you find it so hard to understand that someone might realize that maybe they were too hasty? Why do you find it so hard to believe that given more thought and consideration, someone might decide that a leave of absence might be effectivve? Lastly, I presume you are ramiliar with the term a "wake up call." That is sort of how I think his association with Prosser could have factored in. When you combine the chest pains and the serious health issues which could accompoany them with a recent personal experience such as the Prosser tragedy, it makes perfect sense that someone might step back and say "wait a minute, I'd better give this some thought." Similarly, it also makes perfect sense that even after resigning, additional conversations and thoughts on the matter might have led to a change of mind. I really don't understand why you would try to argue that point.
Keep it up--and yes I do like Miami Hurricane Football-and how that factors in when the Hurricane program is nowhere near the level of Florida right now and with this issue is beyond me? I would think any coach who uses illness as a diverson and creates a story that has no evidence of fact and nothing has changed minus a "mini vacation"-is warranted of being bashed.
Again, you throw out a bunch of speculative fodder, claiming it as fact. No one, except you, thinks that Meyer made up the entire story as a diversion. There would be ZERO reason to do that. All that would do would be to make recruiting much more difficult. As to whether a mini-vacation, as you call it will prove to be the theraputic treatment necessary, we can only hope. From my personal experience, I can certainly attest to the benefits of "getting away" for awhile. We only take one 10 day vacation a year, but it is very much needed. Even if we spend the majority of it sleeping in, hanging out by the pool and watching some TV, we come back much more rested and ready for the grind to begin again. Questioning such affects seems really bizarre, even for you.
Like me or don't--one thing people can't say about me is that I play "favorites". I have plenty of people I cannot stand who play for teams I support or issues that have taken place where I am more then willing to attack their character or lack of it. So quit trying to play that pile of dogFECES as a "defense" of your beloved scumball of a human being football coach.
That's total hogwash and you know it. If JTIII were to have a nervous breakdown and were to announce his resignation, only to announce the next day that he had talked to his family and to the athletic director, and that he was going to take an indefinite leave of absence, and hopefully, if all goes well, to return to coach the Hoyas next season, I certainly wouldn't have any problem with it, and would wish him the best. I'm thinking you would too, but you insist on saying otherwise. Either way, to use your cockeyed view to suggest that JTIII was just making up the whole thing for his own personal benefit is screwy. BUt then again, so are you.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Feb 9, 2010 13:16:15 GMT -5
Is everyone else enjoying this as much as I am?
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