Campaign Office to open in Chappaqua?

[Elvado]

Hillary Clinton has announced her intention to leave State before the Obama presidency ends. While the idea of a Secretary of State leaving during a Presidency is not unique, in this instance, this portends very poorly for Mr. Obama if the Democrat Party gets clobbered in the mid-terms.

While she has said she will not run for President again, her eyes have never left the Oval Office. She will present herself as the grown-up, pragmatic option to the Democrat Party. Book it.

[TC]

Jan 29, 2010 10:00:01 GMT -5 Elvado said:

While she has said she will not run for President again, her eyes have never left the Oval Office. She will present herself as the grown-up, pragmatic option to the Democrat Party. Book it.

Let me get this straight - people in the Democratic (why the hell can't you just say it correctly and not be an ass?) Party don't think Obama is grown-up and pragmatic and want a more conservative candidate? Do you even know a Democrat in real life? What planet are you living on?

If someone is going to challenge Obama in a primary, they are going to have to do it from the left. Like Howard Dean. And whoever does that will lose badly and will walk away bloodied and bruised.

[Elvado]

Jan 29, 2010 10:06:28 GMT -5 TC said:

Jan 29, 2010 10:00:01 GMT -5 Elvado said:

While she has said she will not run for President again, her eyes have never left the Oval Office. She will present herself as the grown-up, pragmatic option to the Democrat Party. Book it.

Let me get this straight - people in the Democratic (why the hell can't you just say it correctly and not be an ass?) Party don't think Obama is grown-up and pragmatic and want a more conservative candidate? Do you even know a Democrat in real life? What planet are you living on?

If someone is going to challenge Obama in a primary, they are going to have to do it from the left. Like Howard Dean. And whoever does that will lose badly and will walk away bloodied and bruised.

In about 10 months, you and the rest of the DEMOCRATIC (happy now?) Party will realize that the president is too far left for the people that will decide the 2012 election.

Thus, a challenge will come from the middle, by Mrs. Clinton, who will posture herself as a grown-up alternative to your beloved Mr. Obama.

Remember, in the end, it's not about ideology or results, it's always about victory and power for the DEMOCRATIC (happy again?) Party.

While this may sound far-fetched to you, is it any more far-fetched that a 1/2 term Senator with no Legislative accomplishments and no executive experience winning the
White House?

[Cambridge]

Jan 29, 2010 10:31:15 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Jan 29, 2010 10:06:28 GMT -5 TC said:

Let me get this straight - people in the Democratic (why the hell can't you just say it correctly and not be an ass?) Party don't think Obama is grown-up and pragmatic and want a more conservative candidate? Do you even know a Democrat in real life? What planet are you living on?

If someone is going to challenge Obama in a primary, they are going to have to do it from the left. Like Howard Dean. And whoever does that will lose badly and will walk away bloodied and bruised.

In about 10 months, you and the rest of the DEMOCRATIC (happy now?) Party will realize that the president is too far left for the people that will decide the 2012 election.

Thus, a challenge will come from the middle, by Mrs. Clinton, who will posture herself as a grown-up alternative to your beloved Mr. Obama.

Remember, in the end, it's not about ideology or results, it's always about victory and power for the DEMOCRATIC (happy again?) Party.

While this may sound far-fetched to you, is it any more far-fetched that a 1/2 term Senator with no Legislative accomplishments and no executive experience winning the
White House?

I doubt that Clinton takes on Obama in a spirited primary run, but I suppose it's not out of the question. I also disagree on your thought that someone would run on a more centrist platform than Obama in the next primary. His biggest threat will come from the left. The poll approval dip you see today isn't just independents (who are actually quite small in number, true independents account for less than 10% of the electorate) but from the wacko left who think he's "no better than Bush." If anyone is going to get traction against Obama in a primary it is going to be by playing to these pinko commies, because they are the ones who actually vote in the primaries.

[TC]

Jan 29, 2010 10:31:15 GMT -5 Elvado said:

In about 10 months, you and the rest of the DEMOCRATIC (happy now?) Party will realize that the president is too far left for the people that will decide the 2012 election.

This is the argument I love best - Obama and Hillary ran on almost identical platforms, the only substantive difference being in their Health Care proposals. And when elected, Obama adopted almost all of Hillary's proposals. The idea that Obama is "too far left" and Hillary is where the center is is just ludicrous.

I hope the GOP runs Sarah Palin but I don't have the hubris to tell you what you'll think in 10 months.

[strummer8526]

As usual, Cambridge's logical and factually accurate post—free of the stench of partisan BS—makes Elvado look foolish. It's always the extreme wings of the parties that come out in primaries. That's why any challenge to Obama will come from the far left and why his Republican opponent will be a complete and total crack-pot tea-party lunatic.

[AustinHoya03]

Jan 29, 2010 10:06:28 GMT -5 TC said:

Jan 29, 2010 10:00:01 GMT -5 Elvado said:

If someone is going to challenge Obama in a primary, they are going to have to do it from the left. Like Howard Dean. And whoever does that will lose badly and will walk away bloodied and bruised.

And if no Democrat challenges Obama from the left, God knows Ralph Nader will.

[TC]

Ralph Nader's always got campaign fever!

[The Stig]

Jan 29, 2010 10:53:50 GMT -5 Cambridge said:

Jan 29, 2010 10:31:15 GMT -5 Elvado said:

In about 10 months, you and the rest of the DEMOCRATIC (happy now?) Party will realize that the president is too far left for the people that will decide the 2012 election.

Thus, a challenge will come from the middle, by Mrs. Clinton, who will posture herself as a grown-up alternative to your beloved Mr. Obama.

Remember, in the end, it's not about ideology or results, it's always about victory and power for the DEMOCRATIC (happy again?) Party.

While this may sound far-fetched to you, is it any more far-fetched that a 1/2 term Senator with no Legislative accomplishments and no executive experience winning the
White House?

I doubt that Clinton takes on Obama in a spirited primary run, but I suppose it's not out of the question. I also disagree on your thought that someone would run on a more centrist platform than Obama in the next primary. His biggest threat will come from the left. The poll approval dip you see today isn't just independents (who are actually quite small in number, true independents account for less than 10% of the electorate) but from the wacko left who think he's "no better than Bush." If anyone is going to get traction against Obama in a primary it is going to be by playing to these pinko commies, because they are the ones who actually vote in the primaries.

Completely agreed. I know plenty of Dems who are not terribly happy with Obama's presidency, but none of them would rather have Hillary. The Dems who are upset with Obama would rather have somebody like Bernie Sanders.

I've said all along that Obama is much more moderate and pragmatic than people make him out to be. The folks on the left just pinned all their hopes on him, ignoring the fact that he had never supported a lot of the things they were pushing for. Now that he's in office, they seem surprised that he's not doing things he never said he was going to do.

[jerseyhoya34]

Suffice to say that I don't think we'll see a primary if we continue to have quarters of 5% economic growth and unprecedented transparency with a televised question hour with House Republicans, which some of them appear to now regret per Luke Russert.

[TC]

Here's a link to said House GOP Conference :

cspan.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/29/HP/R/28993/President+Speaks+at+GOP+Retreat.aspx

Judge for yourself who the "grown-up pragmatist" is.

[Elvado]

We'll see. Never count out the machinations of a Clinton, or two.