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Jan 8, 2010 9:59:20 GMT -5
Post by guru on Jan 8, 2010 9:59:20 GMT -5
Listening to BUM's weekly makeout session with Kornheiser - 2 washed up columnists playing make believe that they still matter - and something BUM said sent me to his blog, where I uncovered yet another gratuitous shot at Georgetown:
"Things aren’t a lot better on other DC sports fronts: Tom Boswell, The Post’s superb baseball columnist who may be the all-time Nationals optimist, thinks the moves made so far this winter MIGHT get them to 75 wins. Maryland football is awful. The basketball team looks like it will be fighting for an NCAA bid—again. Navy football is terrific but not enough people understand why they SHOULD be paying more attention—including the editors at my newspaper. Georgetown basketball is very good but it’s hard to wrap your arms around a team that keeps itself shrouded in secrecy all the time.
There are lots of good college basketball programs locally but Georgetown won’t even play in a charity event that has raised almost $10 million for kids-at-risk in the DC area and hasn’t played George Washington in more than 30 years. DC could have local rivalries every bit as much fun as Philadelphia’s Big Five but no one wants to do anything about getting it done."
Then, later in the same interview, he took another out-of-nowhere shot at Georgetown, this time the football team, when he laughed and said something like "You know what their record was this year? There was a zero in the lefthand column" and then he and TK yukked it up some more.
And yes, I do realize that the football program is awful; I'm just always amazed at how petty the BUM can be.
Sorry, had to vent. That is all.
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Jan 8, 2010 10:07:35 GMT -5
Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2010 10:07:35 GMT -5
I really think that JTIII should offer to paly in the BB&T event - on the condition that BUM disassociate himself entirely. Then we could see how committed BUM is to raising that money.
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calhoya
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Jan 8, 2010 10:26:56 GMT -5
Post by calhoya on Jan 8, 2010 10:26:56 GMT -5
Sorry to be so dense, but who is BUM? Is it Feinstein? In any event, who cares if the Hoyas ever play Maryland or GW. If the Hoyas are to be a national team with a national recruiting base, they need to play outside of DC --like they have this year against Tulane, Butler and Washington. I am sure the families of Monroe and Hollis Thompson really enjoyed the opportunity to see their kids play, without going broke traveling to DC. In addition, many of us Hoya alums enjoy the opportunity to watch the games live in our regions of the country.
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Jan 8, 2010 10:32:25 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Jan 8, 2010 10:32:25 GMT -5
expected he is .... bum..... thats says it all not worth any attention.. just sad he was close to red auerbach never understood that one oh well BEAT UCONN PLEASE IMPORTANT GAME GUYS VEYR VERY VEYR IMPORTANT
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Big Dog
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Jan 8, 2010 10:54:39 GMT -5
Post by Big Dog on Jan 8, 2010 10:54:39 GMT -5
Right--all Georgetown needs to do to capture the hearts of carpetbagging outsiders like Feinstein is play in the BB&T.
I don't have any evidence to back this up, but I'd say given the "nobody is from here" aspect of Washington, DC that applies to a certain demographic, the team (when it is good) gets pretty solid local support, especially among the African-American community. Just because a couple of old losers like Kornheiser and Feinstein aren't chum-chummy with JTIII like they are with Gary "Has Been" Williams doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other people in the city paying attention.
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Jan 8, 2010 11:00:49 GMT -5
Post by theexorcist on Jan 8, 2010 11:00:49 GMT -5
Can we stop the idea once and for all that D.C. is on the cusp of a Big Five rivalry? Here's who's in the Big Five.
Temple - Top five in wins all time, had a famous coach La Salle - Won a national championship Pennsylvania - Made Final Four, from the Ivy League Villanova - Won a national championship St. Joseph's - Made Final Four, famous for "The Hawk Will Never Die"
D.C. has Maryland and Georgetown, both of whom have won a national title. GW and American have never made a Final Four. George Mason has made one.
D.C. college basketball is decades away from the Big Five.
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BUM
Jan 8, 2010 11:01:42 GMT -5
Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2010 11:01:42 GMT -5
Dog - c'mon, if you aren't tight with Bumstein and Kornholer, you can't possibly matter in DC, or anywhere else for that matter!
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Jan 8, 2010 11:06:46 GMT -5
Post by guru on Jan 8, 2010 11:06:46 GMT -5
Can we stop the idea once and for all that D.C. is on the cusp of a Big Five rivalry? Here's who's in the Big Five. Temple - Top five in wins all time, had a famous coach La Salle - Won a national championship Pennsylvania - Made Final Four, from the Ivy League Villanova - Won a national championship St. Joseph's - Made Final Four, famous for "The Hawk Will Never Die" D.C. has Maryland and Georgetown, both of whom have won a national title. GW and American have never made a Final Four. George Mason has made one. D.C. college basketball is decades away from the Big Five. I think Big Five is just a convenient way to bring up the topic. It wouldn't be as special as the Philly tradition, but it would be pretty cool.
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Jan 8, 2010 11:21:52 GMT -5
Post by rccoleon on Jan 8, 2010 11:21:52 GMT -5
Let's be honest about who we are talking about. When was the last time that BUM or Kornheiser did any actual reporting? The closest thing to it is Kornheiser's five good minutes with Wilbon on PTI. Face it, these guys are just blowhards who like to hear themselves talk. They know nothing about current sports (watch Kornheiser talk about the NFL sometime), just what they knew 20 years ago. Neither have been in a locker room or press conference in decades.
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Jan 8, 2010 11:28:12 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Jan 8, 2010 11:28:12 GMT -5
Just because a couple of old losers like Kornheiser and Feinstein aren't chum-chummy with JTIII like they are with Gary "Has Been" Williams doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other people in the city paying attention. Show Gary some respect! His nickname is Gary "Sweaty" Williams. I would also accept "Drunken Chicken Wing" Williams.
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Jan 8, 2010 11:42:18 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 8, 2010 11:42:18 GMT -5
The last time Kornheiser watched a basketball game of any kind was probably 1987, so I wouldn't worry about it.
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Jan 8, 2010 11:53:24 GMT -5
Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 8, 2010 11:53:24 GMT -5
" DC could have local rivalries every bit as much fun as Philadelphia’s Big Five but no one wants to do anything about getting it done. John Feinstein is tilting at some big windmills. There is less than zero reason to belisve that the Big Five could be replicated in Washington. None. The City Series was created an in era where Philadelphia kids went to school together--high school then college, and then went to work, all within a city. No King of Prussia or Central Bucks West in the 1950's [point taken below], it was Overbrook and Gratz, Northeast , Olney, and Bartram on the public leagues, Roman and Neumann, Thomas More and St. Joe's Prep for the Catholic leagues. The Palestra was used by all of these so while it was nominally a UPenn arena, it had cross-school appeal. Throw in the lack of competition for the sports dollar (no NHL team, a NBA team drawing 6,000 a game at the Civic Center, no competition from larger conferences, little or no TV) and it was a unique situation not replicable in a place like DC or anywhere else. What conenctions do DC kids have between schools these days? What does a basketball player at Ballou or Hayfield or B-CC or Prep have in common these days? Where is the Palestra-like facility? And what connections do colleges have? Philadelphia schools are interconnected in ways DC schools could never be. Fran Dunphy played at Malvern, went to LaSalle, then grad school at Villanova, coached at Penn and now Temple. Could you imagine if JT III had played at AU, went to grad school at Maryland, coached at GW, and then came over to Georgetown? The comparison with Philadelphia is as much fiction as Feinstein's next book. A better analogy would be Chicago, where there is a visble disconnect among high schools and colleges. Where is the Big Five in Chicago (Northwestern, Loyola, DePaul, UIC, Chicago State) or San Francisco (USF, Cal, Santa Clara, Stanford, St. Mary's) or LA (UCLA, USC, Loyola Marymount, Long Beach, UC-Irvine) or even New York (St. John's, Fordham, Columbia Manhattan, Wagner)? You can't replicate what Philadelphia did because it's a unique situation and the five, six, or seven universities in DC are sufficiently different that they aren't suddenly going to become blood brothers so that Feinstein and Williams can pat themselves on the back.
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Jan 8, 2010 11:54:28 GMT -5
Post by dungeon ball on Jan 8, 2010 11:54:28 GMT -5
Did Gary Williams' ambulance chaser ad come on after the segment? If only we could all be so selfless...
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Jan 8, 2010 12:08:32 GMT -5
Post by tashoya on Jan 8, 2010 12:08:32 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with a charity game but the games between Georgetown and any other school in the area are pretty much a waste of time. No one wants to see American and Mason and GW and Maryland get their butts handed to them. Maryland fans used to love the idea of playing Georgetown 10 to 15 years ago when they were often the better team. That hasn't been the case in quite some time and Maryland fans are really whiny already. Why make it worse by smoking them every year?
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Jan 8, 2010 13:13:38 GMT -5
Post by rosslynhoya on Jan 8, 2010 13:13:38 GMT -5
It's a lose-lose situation for Georgetown to participate in such a scheme. If we beat them, it's no great accomplishment because they're just a bunch of midgets, but sooner or later, with a large enough sample size, we'd eventually have fluke losses to AU, GMU, Howard, etc., and it's a massive upset we'd hear about for the next three years.
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Jan 8, 2010 13:17:11 GMT -5
Post by strummer8526 on Jan 8, 2010 13:17:11 GMT -5
Did Kornheiser actually say anything bad about us? A lot of bashing going on here, but I've always heard him be positive about Georgetown. He had high hopes for us in the '07 and '08 tourneys. Did I miss something or are we taking shots at him for no real reason?
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Jan 8, 2010 13:17:41 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Jan 8, 2010 13:17:41 GMT -5
Let's be honest about who we are talking about. When was the last time that BUM or Kornheiser did any actual reporting? The closest thing to it is Kornheiser's five good minutes with Wilbon on PTI. Face it, these guys are just blowhards who like to hear themselves talk. They know nothing about current sports (watch Kornheiser talk about the NFL sometime), just what they knew 20 years ago. Neither have been in a locker room or press conference in decades. Let's not jump on Kornheiser, he rides Feinstein pretty hard sometimes too. And it's not Kornheiser who's making these cheap shots - it's all Feinstein.
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Jan 8, 2010 13:20:52 GMT -5
Post by PhillyHoya on Jan 8, 2010 13:20:52 GMT -5
" DC could have local rivalries every bit as much fun as Philadelphia’s Big Five but no one wants to do anything about getting it done. No King of Prussia or Central Bucks West in the 1950's I'll have you know that as an alum of Central Bucks West, my alma mater opened in 1953. And besides, if you wanted to succeed out of West, you played football, not basketball. But point taken
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