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Post by hifigator on Dec 21, 2009 15:42:35 GMT -5
Well, they should be eventually. With Reggie Bush then O.J. Mayo and now this:
oops, I lost the link
In any case, USC RB Joe McKnight's girlfriend is now driving a new vehicle. Given the financial situations of the couple, it's looking a bit suspicious. Let's see: Bush and a couple of others have a mysterious house. Mayo gets mysterious money. McKnight's main squeeze gets a mysterious new vehicle. Nah, there's nothing underhanded going on in So-Cal.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 21, 2009 15:48:33 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 21, 2009 16:27:51 GMT -5
Nothing Florida doesn't do, I'm sure.
I'd like to see all these programs go on probation, personally. But a Florida fan posted on USC?
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Post by hifigator on Dec 21, 2009 17:05:28 GMT -5
Nothing Florida doesn't do, I'm sure. I'd like to see all these programs go on probation, personally. But a Florida fan posted on USC? Why do I even bother ... Seriously, I'm not going to suggest that Forida -- or anyone else for that matter -- hasn't broken a rule at some point. But that is a far cry from what looks highly suspicious in USC's case. In fact it's been a long time since Florida had any serious recruiting violations. Roy Williams and Eddie Fogler, among others claimed wrong doing. The NCAA investigated and gave the Gators a clean "bill of health" -- so to speak. But getting back to the point, this is a pretty big story. Personally, if it had just been the McKnight situation, then I wouldn't think too much of it. But on the heels of the previous issues with Bush and Mayo, then I'm inclined to think a little more of it. We'll have to see. But as to your point, who do you think would be a good choice to bring up this story, since you suggest that it's not my job to do so.? |
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 21, 2009 22:31:25 GMT -5
Nothing Florida doesn't do, I'm sure. I'd like to see all these programs go on probation, personally. But a Florida fan posted on USC? Why do I even bother ... Seriously, I'm not going to suggest that Forida -- or anyone else for that matter -- hasn't broken a rule at some point. But that is a far cry from what looks highly suspicious in USC's case. In fact it's been a long time since Florida had any serious recruiting violations. Roy Williams and Eddie Fogler, among others claimed wrong doing. The NCAA investigated and gave the Gators a clean "bill of health" -- so to speak. But getting back to the point, this is a pretty big story. Personally, if it had just been the McKnight situation, then I wouldn't think too much of it. But on the heels of the previous issues with Bush and Mayo, then I'm inclined to think a little more of it. We'll have to see. But as to your point, who do you think would be a good choice to bring up this story, since you suggest that it's not my job to do so.? I'd be happy to! Hee, hee, giggle, giggle, gaffaw, gaffaw. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 22, 2009 12:45:04 GMT -5
Says the man who roots for a team coached by Rick Neuheisel. Seriously, just put yourselves on probation now.  |
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Post by hifigator on Dec 22, 2009 15:21:32 GMT -5
Today USC announced that McKnight wouldn't be making the trip to the Emerald Bowl as he stays behind at USC to take care of some "paper work." In related news, two other players -- a starting linebacker and a starting D-Lineman, if I remember correctly -- also aren't making the trip as they have additional classwork to attend to. In fairness, there is really nothing unusual about this. Most teams lose a couple of players to academic issues at this time of year. But the more serious incidents are totally different. More to come, I'm sure.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 27, 2009 12:44:10 GMT -5
Despite all the travails insinuated by a still-mourning gator, USC managed to beat those ne'er-do-wells from BenedictArnold College in the rain at the Emerald Bowl in PacBell Park yesterday. While BC supporters are blaming the referees for stealing the game, I suspect the absence of the BC marching band, left home to preserve the riches that accrue from participating in the ACC, that is truly to blame. Meanwhile, what if all is not chest pain in Florida? God love the internet, where anyone can post whatever they like without the need for foundation or accuracy! |
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Dec 27, 2009 16:56:22 GMT -5
We're in a recession. No African-American young lady can afford to drive an Escalade!!!
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Post by hifigator on Dec 28, 2009 14:18:03 GMT -5
Despite all the travails insinuated by a still-mourning gator, USC managed to beat those ne'er-do-wells from BenedictArnold College in the rain at the Emerald Bowl in PacBell Park yesterday. While BC supporters are blaming the referees for stealing the game, I suspect the absence of the BC marching band, left home to preserve the riches that accrue from participating in the ACC, that is truly to blame. Meanwhile, what if all is not chest pain in Florida? God love the internet, where anyone can post whatever they like without the need for foundation or accuracy! I'm not exactly sure why you are involving me with respect to the Emerald Bowl. I picked USC in our bowl pool. I also picked Clemson. Unfortunately I "came close" witht he Nevada pick. Still, I had no doubt that the Trojans would win. In fact, I'm a bit surprised it was as close as it was. As for the USC program, there's still a few NCAA investigators sniffing around in So-Cal. |
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Post by Buckets on Jan 3, 2010 17:48:21 GMT -5
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Post by Filo on Jan 4, 2010 9:58:42 GMT -5
Re: the self-imposed ban -- I'm glad to see them be proactive and take some steps. But it bugs the hell out of me to see current players and coach getting punished for the filfth of Floyd and Mayo. There are no easy answers, but what a bummer for some of these kids.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 4, 2010 13:08:55 GMT -5
Re: the self-imposed ban -- I'm glad to see them be proactive and take some steps. But it bugs the hell out of me to see current players and coach getting punished for the filfth of Floyd and Mayo. There are no easy answers, but what a bummer for some of these kids. These situations are particularly a bummer when the transgressors are all gone, but really, what alternative is there? If you don't punish the team prospectively, the punishment looks like a slap on the wrist. I suppose the alternative under the circumstances might have been to be more stringent on scholarship and visit limitations but let the current team go, but I doubt that would have satisfied the NCAA poohbahs. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 4, 2010 13:11:30 GMT -5
Says the man who roots for a team coached by Rick Neuheisel. Seriously, just put yourselves on probation now. Hey, just a minute, Slick Rick never... I mean he doesn't... Aw, what the heck. I admit I'll be really upset when the Bruins are no longer able to play established powers like Temple in major bowls, but I guess I'll survive, as long as I can take USC down with me. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 4, 2010 13:29:44 GMT -5
Re: the self-imposed ban -- I'm glad to see them be proactive and take some steps. But it bugs the hell out of me to see current players and coach getting punished for the filfth of Floyd and Mayo. There are no easy answers, but what a bummer for some of these kids. These situations are particularly a bummer when the transgressors are all gone, but really, what alternative is there? If you don't punish the team prospectively, the punishment looks like a slap on the wrist. I suppose the alternative under the circumstances might have been to be more stringent on scholarship and visit limitations but let the current team go, but I doubt that would have satisfied the NCAA poohbahs. Couple of things they can do: 1. Put probations, etc. on coaches as well. It should follow the school and the coaching staff. 2. Actually investigate things quickly. You can't tell me that OJ Mayo wasn't a concern from day 1. Don't wait until the kids are out of school. It'd be especially relevant for football -- with the NFL draft age limit, players who can't play college ball face a (possibly too) sever punishment by not being able to play. |
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 4, 2010 13:54:06 GMT -5
These situations are particularly a bummer when the transgressors are all gone, but really, what alternative is there? If you don't punish the team prospectively, the punishment looks like a slap on the wrist. I suppose the alternative under the circumstances might have been to be more stringent on scholarship and visit limitations but let the current team go, but I doubt that would have satisfied the NCAA poohbahs. Couple of things they can do: 1. Put probations, etc. on coaches as well. It should follow the school and the coaching staff. 2. Actually investigate things quickly. You can't tell me that OJ Mayo wasn't a concern from day 1. Don't wait until the kids are out of school. It'd be especially relevant for football -- with the NFL draft age limit, players who can't play college ball face a (possibly too) sever punishment by not being able to play. This happened at Michigan, where the Fab Five got UM in huge amounts of trouble. Officially, names got voided and banners got removed. The Tuime Out game? Never happened, according to the NCAA. Unofficially, every student, booster, and fan remembers those years. What this really needs are brutal penalties, to include shutting down programs. The NCAA keeps on threatening this, and never follows through (save SMU in football - even Baylor in basketball, which I rail about every so often, didn't have a full death penalty). Someone needs to be made an example of. Even if it's not at this level, removing huge numbers of scholarships, with the intent of decimating cheating programs, would do a lot to scare people. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 4, 2010 16:18:07 GMT -5
Well, yeah, the death penalty would work. I just viewed that as something the NCAA would never do.
But the whole Fab Five thing came out like ten years later as a result of a federal investigation. So no, my suggestions did not occur at Michigan. Fisher is still coaching as well.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 4, 2010 20:19:07 GMT -5
These situations are particularly a bummer when the transgressors are all gone, but really, what alternative is there? If you don't punish the team prospectively, the punishment looks like a slap on the wrist. I suppose the alternative under the circumstances might have been to be more stringent on scholarship and visit limitations but let the current team go, but I doubt that would have satisfied the NCAA poohbahs. Couple of things they can do: 1. Put probations, etc. on coaches as well. It should follow the school and the coaching staff. 2. Actually investigate things quickly. You can't tell me that OJ Mayo wasn't a concern from day 1. Don't wait until the kids are out of school. It'd be especially relevant for football -- with the NFL draft age limit, players who can't play college ball face a (possibly too) sever punishment by not being able to play. Well, even this suggestion isn't foolproof. It's hard for probation to follow a coach that goes to the NBA (e.g., Tim Floyd) or NFL. And while quick investigations would be nice, you have to remember that in many respects the NCAA is a toothless tiger, because its investigatoroy powers are limited (see the Bush family stonewalling the NCAA for years). |
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 6, 2010 10:26:05 GMT -5
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/george_dohrmann/01/05/usc.punishment/index.html?eref=sihpSI's take on it. A few more suggestions: 1. More "show cause" bans imposed by the NCAA (essentially banning someone from association with an NCAA program without a waiver for a few years). Yes, you can get hired by the NBA or NFL, but if you dole them out like Mentos to assistants or ADs (especially if you word bans that forbid any association with a school), some may be less than willing to cheat. 2. The ignoring of anticipatory sanctions. Let's say that you're caught on camera robbing a bank. You call a press conference and acknowledge your guilt, pay back what you still have left of what you stole, and say that you'll remain in home confinement for a year. The state attorney's office comes back and thanks you, saying that your initiative spared them the pain of an investgation and they're going to drop the case. This is how the NCAA works. These are not plea bargains - some under indictment for murder doesn't have their lawyer propose a punishment in the open press. The NCAA needs to take the lead in proposing plea bargain penalties, leaving the school the option of accepting them or going to trial. 3. Go for money. Lots of money. College athletics rolls in money. USC in the Mayo case made lots of money. Usual NCAA sanctions force a school to return only the money made as a direct result of the competition. Tack on additional penalties which go into a general NCAA scholarship fund - or into the investigations department budget. 4. As a corollary to #3, get involved with the federales. State police might be unwilling to take down Elbonia State, but the feds have no such qualms. Figure out avenues of fraud that violate federal law and work with investigatory agencies, who have more money and manpower, to cause severe pain.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 12, 2010 3:19:17 GMT -5
I just thought that, given the recent events, it might be a good time to bring this back to the top.
DanMcQ wrote:
Despite all the travails insinuated by a still-mourning gator, USC managed to beat those ne'er-do-wells from BenedictArnold College in the rain at the Emerald Bowl in PacBell Park yesterday.
While BC supporters are blaming the referees for stealing the game, I suspect the absence of the BC marching band, left home to preserve the riches that accrue from participating in the ACC, that is truly to blame.
Meanwhile, what if all is not chest pain in Florida? God love the internet, where anyone can post whatever they like without the need for foundation or accuracy!
Aside from the insensitive health references -- akin to applauding and cheering when an opposing player gets hurt -- I think the key is the underlying substance. My suggestion from the beginning was clear. Problems ... serious, most likely at USC. In spite of all attempts to redirect the attention to Florida or Boston College or UCLA, where it didn't belong in this case, I still must attempt to redirect the topic.
P.S. Off the record, I don't care for the Trojans or the BC Eagles.
Back to the topic at hand ... pardon me, while I laugh ...
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