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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 11, 2009 11:15:44 GMT -5
Which was the game where the Hoyas beat Cuse and Preston Schumpert pulled a Tebow and started crying? Was that this decade? That was the 1/28/02 game at the Phone Booth. |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 11, 2009 19:33:45 GMT -5
While it was awesome at the time, I'll be the dissenting voice on Duke. End of the day, it was a regular season game, albeit against the #1 team in the nation, but still just a regular-season game. So while we all have this "It announced our return" tag attached to it, it didn't even get us ranked in reality. Unbelievably entertaining and intense. A great game. But on the importance scale, overrated in a big, big way. I don't think it's a clear #2.
UNC had drama, a comeback, a tying shot, an overtime and trip to the Final Four. Now's that's a game. I'd kind of hate to see beating a team that happened to be #1 (they'd get whacked in the Sweet 16 later that year) take #2 just because they're annoying.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 11, 2009 19:41:31 GMT -5
Those are fair points. I guess the question then becomes what you put ahead of Duke at #2. I certainly wouldn't put the UVA game there or the Burton game there. I may put the Pitt BET game there simply because we played great ball and had not won a BET for quite some time.
The BET loses some lustre among casual student fans simply because it is over spring break. Most would rather be in Montego Bay or wherever watching the game than in the Garden if they fall into this category. As an alum, I can say that more people called/texted me after the Duke game than at any time and in any year of the BET for the last decade, save 2000, when I wasn't a fan. Maybe that counts for something, but maybe others had a different experience.
Among students/fans, I think there are two teams that are simply in a different echelon in terms of hatred/getting up for a game - SU and Duke. Go 2-0 against SU, and there's something to hang your hat on even if the rest of the season is a wash. Your 3A, 3B, and 3C options are normally ND, Nova, and UCONN in no particular order. Older alums would move Nova up because of 1985. I don't think anybody hates ND enough in basketball to put them ahead of SU, Duke, or Nova. I don't think everyone would agree with this, but I only put it out there to suggest that some wins gain extra meaning because of who you beat, and a Duke win counts tremendously as against some others (like a SHU win from the Esh years) because of it.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Dec 11, 2009 20:31:34 GMT -5
it didn't even get us ranked in reality. Sure it did. Georgetown was ranked #21 in the AP after that game ( link). "It is Georgetown's first national ranking since the week of Dec. 31, 2001-Jan. 7, 2002, where the Hoyas, ranked as high as #15 to begin the season, fell off the poll following consecutive losses to Virginia, UCLA, Miami, and Rutgers." ( link) |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 11, 2009 21:49:04 GMT -5
it didn't even get us ranked in reality. Sure it did. Georgetown was ranked #21 in the AP after that game ( link). "It is Georgetown's first national ranking since the week of Dec. 31, 2001-Jan. 7, 2002, where the Hoyas, ranked as high as #15 to begin the season, fell off the poll following consecutive losses to Virginia, UCLA, Miami, and Rutgers." ( link) I stand corrected. But I am still partial to exciting tournament games or regular season games wth something on the line over Duke. |
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Post by FewFAC on Dec 11, 2009 22:41:10 GMT -5
Ask the average person what the best movie they saw in 2009 was, and I suspect most will name something they saw within the past month. It's like we shouldn't even consider January through March part of the year, because nothing that debuts then ever makes these lists. I was there (Capitol Hill) circa Iverson, and to be honest, the best movie I saw in 2009 was Brothers, which I saw last week. Georgetown played basketball before JTIII arrived (in the intervening years)? |
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Post by hometownhoya89 on Dec 11, 2009 23:03:43 GMT -5
what about the 4OT game vs. nd (although didn't we lose it?)
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 12, 2009 7:41:21 GMT -5
For my money, the Vanderbilt Sweet 16 game in '07 was the best game of the decade. Possibly best finish, but not best overall game, in my opinion. I imagine it'd be in the top 5 though. I'd probably put it at 3rd. I hear you, but I would guess than none of the overall top 5 will end up being great "games." I didnt think the UNC game was all that fantastic. They pretty much had their way with us for 32-35 minutes. The Duke game was monumental for just how well we played. Id say Vandy because of the stakes + the fact that the 2nd half was a back and forth well played game with a last second shot. |
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 12, 2009 10:25:13 GMT -5
How does a fanbase measure the "top" game of a decade? Is it the circumstances surrounding the game at the time it was played? Is it the larger context of the season, or even the multi-seasonal fortunes of the team? Is it the immediate and residual impact the game had on the program? Is it the collective "remember where you were when" among fans? Is it the power of individual or team performance rather than simply the outcome? Perhaps it's a combination off all these things. As far as I'm concerned, there are only 2 possible games competing for #1 and #2: Elite 8 2007 v. UNC and 1/21/06 v/ Duke. No other games get close to the impact those games have had on the program and the fans, none have the "remember where you were" quality, none were as paradigmatic (Duke announced our arrival; UNC earned us a seat at the table). That's not to take anything away from some other amazing games: Beating Pitt to clinch the 2007 BET, beating Louisville to take the 2008 regular season, beating UConn in 07 for the first time in 10 years, the Sweet 16 over Vandy, beating Pitt on Super Bowl Sunday '06, upsetting Arkansas in 2001, any of the times we beat Cuse, esp. the BET in 2000, sweep in 2002, Senior Day 06 ... but these wins simply did not have the same impact and effect as UNC or Duke (though I will admit that Senior Day 2006 was one of the best days of my life, but I won't let personal bias color my analysis  ). |
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 12, 2009 10:47:15 GMT -5
I have to agree with C2C here.
While Giga makes a valid point about post season wins, the Duke game stands out because
They were undefeated
They were ranked #1
They were going for their own record undefeated streak to start a season
It was the featured national game on CBS
Maybe most important of all -- it made BELIEVERS out of EVERYONE -- fans, media, opponents, and our own TEAM!
It reverberated far beyond the Verizon Center.
And the WAY we won. Really made them look slow and unathletic and unprepared in the first half,
and we fought off a heroic charge by JJ -- Hey we may not like the kid, but he played an unbelievable game that day.
Despite all of that, despite their late game charge, we still pulled out a HUGE victory. A HUGE Statement game. The biggest victory GU had in a very long time, back to the Pops era.
It definitely announced that the Georgetown Hoyas were back and were staying, and everyone else better look out.
It made all of the post season success -- in 2006 and 2007 -- possible.
So yes, I would definitely put it at the #2 slot.
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Post by 1789 on Dec 12, 2009 11:53:41 GMT -5
Great ones from the Esh Era: * NIT win over UVA in Triple OT (already aptly described by reingd) * BET Quarters win over #12 Cuse 3/09/2000 (GU 76 CUSE 72). Cuse was the favorite to win the BET, the Hoyas were down (ended up in the NIT that year), but the combo of Braswell, Hunter, Scruggs, et al. led us to victory. The Garden was ALIVE that day. * NCAA Rd. 1 win over Arkansas in Boise 3/15/2000 . I was at this game, about 15 feet from Nat when he "put them to sleep, and then exploded" (in his words, after the game). The place went nuts! Of course, it when nuts-ier when 15-seed Hampton upset 2-seed ISU, but still ... pretty special win. * Win v. Cuse @ the Booth 1/28/02. For everything else that went wrong that year, beating #10 & Big East West (so glad they got rid of that) Division leader Cuse at home was truly cathartic. Sweets went 18 and 13, Bras 14 pts 6 stls 5 assts, Big Harv scored 14, and Bethel scored 14 and grabbed 9. * Win @ Cuse 2/24/02 -- About a month after beating them at home---and 22 years and 11 days after closing Manley Field House---the Hoyas return to ruin the dedication of Boeheim Court. We can not forget *Win @ UNC 3/27/03 -- the 79-74 victory in front of a raucous crowd at North Carolina in the quarterfinals of the National Invitation Tournament that sealed North Carolina Head Coach Matt Doherty's fate. Riley and Sweetney each had 22 and there were key contributions by Bethel and Hall. UNC's freshmen (Felton, May, etc.) went on to win the national championship in 2005, |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 12, 2009 13:36:34 GMT -5
I'm with SirSaxa and others on the Duke game. Electric atmosphere. Intense action. We let the college basketball world know that we were back!
At the time of the game, I was living in Chicago with two longtime friends whose daughter attended Duke. I flew to DC for the game. Had I returned to Chicago after a loss, living in their house would not have been much fun! Because we won, I was able to talk much trash!
Shoutout to the Chicago folks who meet at Gamekeepers. Great place. Great fun.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 12, 2009 13:56:00 GMT -5
Alright, I'm outnumbered. And for the record I wouldn't mind it being in the top ten. But the headline of that game was "Duke goes Down." I don't like a list of the best Hoya games of the decade including a game where the story wasn't about the Hoyas, especially when it's a non-conference opponent in the middle of the year.
It just seems to give Duke more credit than they deserve. Beating Duke in January is better than a last-second NCAA win, or a Big East tournament championship game, or a regular season win that wraps up a #1 seed in New York, or even beating your most-hated rival? That's a lot of juice for Duke.
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Post by tigerbake on Dec 12, 2009 18:56:11 GMT -5
It wasn't a win but does my memory serve me correct that McNamara hit some bomb 3 to beat us?
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Post by wrestlemania on Dec 13, 2009 12:11:45 GMT -5
Great ones from the Esh Era: * NIT win over UVA in Triple OT (already aptly described by reingd) * BET Quarters win over #12 Cuse 3/09/2000 (GU 76 CUSE 72). Cuse was the favorite to win the BET, the Hoyas were down (ended up in the NIT that year), but the combo of Braswell, Hunter, Scruggs, et al. led us to victory. The Garden was ALIVE that day. * NCAA Rd. 1 win over Arkansas in Boise 3/15/2000 . I was at this game, about 15 feet from Nat when he "put them to sleep, and then exploded" (in his words, after the game). The place went nuts! Of course, it when nuts-ier when 15-seed Hampton upset 2-seed ISU, but still ... pretty special win. * Win v. Cuse @ the Booth 1/28/02. For everything else that went wrong that year, beating #10 & Big East West (so glad they got rid of that) Division leader Cuse at home was truly cathartic. Sweets went 18 and 13, Bras 14 pts 6 stls 5 assts, Big Harv scored 14, and Bethel scored 14 and grabbed 9. * Win @ Cuse 2/24/02 -- About a month after beating them at home---and 22 years and 11 days after closing Manley Field House---the Hoyas return to ruin the dedication of Boeheim Court. For sentimental reasons, I'd also throw in his first win as HC, at the Booth against Providence, Braswell sealing it with a shake and bake three (I hope I've remembered that right). I think the significance of it may have been overlooked because of the whirlwind surrounding JTII's sudden departure, and of everything that's happened since. But I haven't forgotten JTII in the skybox, standing and applauding after the buzzer, with Esh and Riley and many people in the crowd looking up at him and doing the same thing. Just a really nice moment. |
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 13, 2009 12:42:20 GMT -5
It wasn't a win but does my memory serve me correct that McNamara hit some bomb 3 to beat us? I refuse to acknowledge that this happened. If it did, it probably belongs in the worst 20 games of the decade, most likely worst 10 or 5. |
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Post by b52legend on Dec 13, 2009 15:42:26 GMT -5
My Top 5:
1. Duke - we dominated throughout and it signaled our return
2. UNC - awesome victory, but I didn't like watching us be down 10 for most of the game
3. UConn Hibbert 3
4. Vandy w/ Jeff
5. ND 4 OT loss - if we had won, might be higher. Absolutely insane game.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Dec 17, 2009 9:51:46 GMT -5
Seriously, the Vanderbilt game where Jeff's non-travel with 2.5 seconds left:
1) sent us to our first Elite Eight in 11 years
2) set-up the "game of the decade" (in my humble opinion) against UNC
...is only the 12th best game of the decade, according to the front page!!?? No way, top 5 easily. I was more or less in agreement with the list until I got to this one. I'd like to see the 11 games that were better than this one.
List so far:
12. Mar. 23, 2007: Georgetown 66, Vanderbilt 65
13. Dec. 29, 2008: Georgetown 74, Connecticut 63
14. Jan. 5, 2005: Georgetown 67, Pittsburgh 64
15. Mar. 9, 2000: Georgetown 76, Syracuse 72
16. Jan. 26, 2008: Georgetown 58, West Virginia 57
17. Jan. 14, 2005: Georgetown 66, Villanova 64
18. Nov. 30, 2004: Georgetown 76, Davidson 51
19. Jan. 24, 2006: Georgetown 85, Notre Dame 82 (2 OT)
20. Jan. 6, 2001: Georgetown 78, Seton Hall 66
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 17, 2009 10:45:49 GMT -5
Alright, I'm outnumbered. And for the record I wouldn't mind it being in the top ten. But the headline of that game was "Duke goes Down." I don't like a list of the best Hoya games of the decade including a game where the story wasn't about the Hoyas, especially when it's a non-conference opponent in the middle of the year. It just seems to give Duke more credit than they deserve. Beating Duke in January is better than a last-second NCAA win, or a Big East tournament championship game, or a regular season win that wraps up a #1 seed in New York, or even beating your most-hated rival? That's a lot of juice for Duke. There lies the problem. Hoya fans get more excited about beating Duke than by beating old rivals. Without question the Duke win was special and it should be placed in the top five of this decade. But too much is made of it when compared to other big wins. By the way no one talks about that win against Ohio State the same year which is arguably a bigger win considering it took place during the NCAA tournament in the state of Ohio. Not many people care about the win against Pitt in the Big East tourney which gave Gtown its first BE Tournament title in 17 or 18 years. Is there any wonder the Duke game is reportedly sold out or close to it already. We'll have more people at the Duke game than at the Nova or Syracuse games most likely. Maybe our fans deep down want to be in the ACC or something. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 17, 2009 11:45:53 GMT -5
I think to an extent the problem with the win over ohio st and the win over pit in the BET was that they were such dominant wins. They didn't have the suspense the duke game had. The pit win was awesome, but the outcome was never in doubt. It wasn't a competitive game, it was a blow out. That's why the UNC game was so great in my opinion because it was a tough competitive game where we had to rally from behind. To an extent I think you have to throw out the context of games and see which games were great onto themselves and then add back in the context to separate them.
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