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Post by NoCleverName on Dec 3, 2009 11:23:06 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 3, 2009 11:41:28 GMT -5
Politically correct bs Official statement: www.hofstra.edu/home/News/news_update_120309.htmlAnd in a moment of gallows homor, a Lafayette fan on the I-AA board remarked: "I think Georgetown is preparing to sky-lift [Hofstra's] Shuart Stadium to M Street as we speak."  |
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Dec 3, 2009 11:54:22 GMT -5
I know that the administration has privately told players and parents that our program is not going to be cut. However, after reading about Northeastern and Hofstra, two programs that were arguably in better shape than ours but facing similar issues, would anyone be shocked if Georgetown released an "open letter" or "press release" out of the blue announcing the same thing?
We have a half-finished temporary field named "MSF" and waning student/alumni interest.
I hope this is not the case and I know that my posts have reflected a pessimist attitude towards the program - I just wish our administration would recognize the reality we face and address it one way or another.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Dec 3, 2009 12:08:49 GMT -5
I agree with 320...these are not good signs. I'd like to see GU make at least one more good go of it but anything is possible now.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 3, 2009 12:15:19 GMT -5
Georgetown is not in the business of cutting sports. It embraces an Ivy League philosophy (basketball notwithstanding) that athletic opportunities are integral to a college experience.
Hofstra was spending $4.4 million, or 22% of its entire athletic budget on football, averaging 32% percent stadium capacity. (That budget number is equivalent to GU's men's basketball, and if GU's main sport was averaging 4,000 a game, that wouldn't cut it, either.)
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 3, 2009 12:33:49 GMT -5
How awesome would it be if it were physically possible to just air lift their stadium to DC as that poster joked.
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 3, 2009 12:35:32 GMT -5
I know that the administration has privately told players and parents that our program is not going to be cut. However, after reading about Northeastern and Hofstra, two programs that were arguably in better shape than ours but facing similar issues, would anyone be shocked if Georgetown released an "open letter" or "press release" out of the blue announcing the same thing? We have a half-finished temporary field named "MSF" and waning student/alumni interest. I hope this is not the case and I know that my posts have reflected a pessimist attitude towards the program - I just wish our administration would recognize the reality we face and address it one way or another. Georgetown make a public statement other than the usual trite platitudes, updates only on things going well (usually involving President DeGioia being in another country), and vague well-wishing? Not going to happen. |
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Dec 3, 2009 12:47:14 GMT -5
Georgetown is not in the business of cutting sports. It embraces an Ivy League philosophy (basketball notwithstanding) that athletic opportunities are integral to a college experience. So when will Georgetown adopt the Ivy League "philosophy" of actively seeking donations and investing in these "integral opportunities" so that they are viable? |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 3, 2009 12:52:52 GMT -5
The CAA is "down" to 10 teams, which still makes it a large conference by I-AA standards. DFW, do you know if the CAA is happy with a 10 team league? Any chance we need to worry about the CAA poaching a program like Holy Cross from the Patriot League?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 3, 2009 13:15:48 GMT -5
The CAA is "down" to 10 teams, which still makes it a large conference by I-AA standards. DFW, do you know if the CAA is happy with a 10 team league? Any chance we need to worry about the CAA poaching a program like Holy Cross from the Patriot League? The CAA has Old Dominion (2011) and Georgia State (2012) right around the corner, and Charlotte is probably not far behind. Holy Cross is not pushing to go full scholarship, though Fordham is. The larger question is where schools like URI and Maine fit into a league where the balance of power will be south of the Mason-Dixon line. If When Fordham leaves, the PL should be aggressive about expansion, looking at teams like VMI, Duquesne, Davidson, or even URI. Don't count on it. |
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 3, 2009 13:23:13 GMT -5
How awesome would it be if it were physically possible to just air lift their stadium to DC as that poster joked. Yet another justification for having a engineering school. If we were MIT or Cal Tech, we'd have already found a way to do this! |
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Post by hoyaparents on Dec 3, 2009 13:44:50 GMT -5
DFW HOYA, the real blow to Hofstra football was the loss of the New York Jets. The Jets used Hofstra as their training camp and practice facilities for years. The Jets moved to new facilities last year.
The loss of revenue to Hofstra was significant. The facilities, field, weight rooms, locker rooms, etc., were all built with New York Jets money.
During this period, Hofstra built its football program assuming the cash cow would last forever.
With respect to our basketball budget, the Verizon Center is sucking the funds out of the program. Put basketball back on campus, except for the six or seven big games, Syracuse, UConn, Louisville, Duke, Villanova, and a few others that can fill the phone booth. How much more net revenue would be generated to support GU athletics instead of supporting the Verizon Center?
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Post by hoya34 on Dec 3, 2009 13:51:12 GMT -5
Gtown's cost problems stem from a hospital that is hemorrhaging (pun intended) cash. The negative cash flow of the football program is minor in the scheme of things, but all the same, it would not shock me if the administration decided to cut it. I am somewhat hopeful because the current University President is an alum of the program, but when administrators see red that can be cut with minimal disruption to the average student's quality of life, they usually go for it. Not firing Kelly after an 0-11 season doesn't send a good message to me that the program will be around long.
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Post by hoya4ever on Dec 3, 2009 14:06:09 GMT -5
We cut football before. Then we were actually doing well. What would stop us from cutting it now? How many people on campus would actually notice there is no football team?
34, didn't we sell the hospital a long time ago? Are we still that affected by the losses almost a decade after?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 3, 2009 14:14:15 GMT -5
Gtown's cost problems stem from a hospital that is hemorrhaging (pun intended) cash. The negative cash flow of the football program is minor in the scheme of things, but all the same, it would not shock me if the administration decided to cut it. I am somewhat hopeful because the current University President is an alum of the program, but when administrators see red that can be cut with minimal disruption to the average student's quality of life, they usually go for it. Not firing Kelly after an 0-11 season doesn't send a good message to me that the program will be around long. This isn't true anymore the university sold the hospital a while ago and in addition the hospital isn't hemorrhaging cash anymore anyway. I'm also not sure how much money would be saved by only playing big games at Verizon. I assume they'd raise how much we had to pay if we were paying for less games. |
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 3, 2009 14:23:50 GMT -5
Gtown's cost problems stem from a hospital that is hemorrhaging (pun intended) cash. The negative cash flow of the football program is minor in the scheme of things, but all the same, it would not shock me if the administration decided to cut it. I am somewhat hopeful because the current University President is an alum of the program, but when administrators see red that can be cut with minimal disruption to the average student's quality of life, they usually go for it. Not firing Kelly after an 0-11 season doesn't send a good message to me that the program will be around long. This isn't true anymore the university sold the hospital a while ago and in addition the hospital isn't hemorrhaging cash anymore anyway. I'm also not sure how much money would be saved by only playing big games at Verizon. I assume they'd raise how much we had to pay if we were paying for less games. I think that we're still paying for the med center. And the "only big games at Verizon" - essentially, it would be more than half the schedule (the Big East has minimum seating requirements that McD can't meet). |
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Post by 98hoya on Dec 3, 2009 16:33:19 GMT -5
The Hofstra president also said this:
"Given that, along with the low level of interest, financial support and attendance among our students, our alumni and the community, the choice was painful, but clear."
This is scary to me because I think this is our real problem too. Yes, we need to get our W and L balance to improve, but even more so, we need football to be a COMMUNITY EVENT. Wins and losses are important (didn't safe Hofstra - they weren't half bad most years), but football should be something that enriches campus life. Without that, I can't imagine our fate will be good in the long term.
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 3, 2009 16:58:04 GMT -5
DFW HOYA, the real blow to Hofstra football was the loss of the New York Jets. The Jets used Hofstra as their training camp and practice facilities for years. The Jets moved to new facilities last year. The loss of revenue to Hofstra was significant. The facilities, field, weight rooms, locker rooms, etc., were all built with New York Jets money. During this period, Hofstra built its football program assuming the cash cow would last forever. With respect to our basketball budget, the Verizon Center is sucking the funds out of the program. Put basketball back on campus, except for the six or seven big games, Syracuse, UConn, Louisville, Duke, Villanova, and a few others that can fill the phone booth. How much more net revenue would be generated to support GU athletics instead of supporting the Verizon Center? Wow, another reason to hate the Jets...I didn't think it was possible. |
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Post by derhoya on Dec 3, 2009 17:39:51 GMT -5
So that stinks Northeastern (thx ahoyadad) and Hofstra both dropped football recently. I hope that doesn't happen at Gtown, but more importantly, can we poach some of the talent at these schools??? We're graduating alot and depth is always an issue. Why not address this to some extent now? Ya the non-schollie thing may be an issue, but we can still try, right? FWIW, it's happened in the past. Two players transferred to Gtown in 2004 following St. Mary's (CA) disbanding football.
DFW - would the AI/PL rules whittle down the potential pool dramatically?
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Post by ahoyadad on Dec 3, 2009 18:08:27 GMT -5
So that stinks URI and Hofstra both dropped football recently. I hope that doesn't happen at Gtown, but more importantly, can we poach some of the talent at these schools??? We're graduating alot and depth is always an issue. Why not address this to some extent now? Ya the non-schollie thing may be an issue, but we can still try, right? FWIW, it's happened in the past. Two players transferred to Gtown in 2004 following St. Mary's (CA) disbanding football. DFW - would the AI/PL rules whittle down the potential pool dramatically? URI did not drop their program, NE did. |
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