rjmaxx
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Post by rjmaxx on Nov 18, 2009 18:13:46 GMT -5
Didn't see this posted elsewhere.
From Katz's recap of the 24 hr of hoops:
[starts blurb by praising Monroe's take on the last shot after saying he was outplayed by his opposite]
"... Chad Ford wrote that Craig Brackins might have hurt his draft stock by coming back, but I would contend Monroe is the guy whose stock has fallen hardest since he destroyed Hasheem Thabeet last December in Storrs, Conn."
I'm with the minority on the board in saying that it's only 2 games, but can't say that I really disagree with Katz on this.
Honestly, I know it's not "running our stuff" (as I saw JTIII mouth at least 3 times when on camera), but I'd kill for, say, 10 possessions in a row during one game where we just throw it INSIDE (not at the 3 pt line) to Greg and give him the green light to make a move.
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Post by Boz on Nov 18, 2009 18:52:18 GMT -5
I know this is a crazy notion, but I'll throw it out there anyway.
Maybe -- and again this is a COMPLETE hypothetical -- but just possibly and perhaps, Greg Monroe is more interested in improving his game so that he can be a good professional player, and is not ONLY concerned with being drafted.
Seems to me, if he's drafted 5 and is not ready for the pros, he gets a few million dollars and stands a good chance of being out of the league in three years. If he's drafted 15 a year or two later, he makes a couple of million dollars and stands a better chance of having a good, long career with multiple more millions of dollars in store.
Not everyone is Sebastian Telfair, Mr. Katz.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Nov 18, 2009 18:59:32 GMT -5
gottdweeb wrote that...and it is wrong.
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Post by cnyhoya on Nov 18, 2009 19:06:01 GMT -5
It's still pretty likely that Greg Monroe is gonna have a long successful NBA career (representing us). And it's equally likely that this is his last year at GU. So, it would make sense to me that we should make him the focal point of the offense, for at least one year.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Nov 18, 2009 19:22:58 GMT -5
Given that the NBA has such a tight rookie pay-scale, dropping from 5th to 15th isn't such a big deal anyway. Yeah, ~$5m is a lot of money, but it's not an NFL-esque disparity of probably closer to $20m.
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Post by NJHoya95 on Nov 18, 2009 21:45:47 GMT -5
Did Katz or Gotleib say this? Doesn't sound like something Andy would say.
Still I think whoever said it is probably right. After the egg Greg laid against Temple most NBA execs will lose interest in a 7 footer who passes like Bird.
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Post by jgalt on Nov 18, 2009 22:20:54 GMT -5
Actually he is RIGHT. It doesnt say that Monroe hurt his draft stock by coming back to school since the draft last year. It says he has hurt his draft stock in the time since the win over UCONN, which includes all the "troubles" of last season. What hurt his draft stock was that he wasnt able to step up and save flailing team that was desperately in need of a leader and some unity.
That said I think coming back was the right choice, for all the reasons that Boz already said. But that sentence, the way it is written, is true.
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Post by vcjack on Nov 18, 2009 22:33:24 GMT -5
Scouts don't have a lot of time to go over every single game in a prospect's career, either they see them once and form an opinion right then or they hook onto whether the player was hot going into the draft.
For example, Roy survived his ugly o-fers against Villanova (and if you are going to say "but he wasn't a lotto pick", he would have been his junior year and he played badly in all three games against Nova that year).
What Greg does in conference/post season play will be a hell of a lot more important than a game where he still scored in double figgures that Sportscenter barely paid any attention to
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 18, 2009 22:53:46 GMT -5
i have a feeling greg will be just fine HERE hopefully for FOUR YEARS and probably might make it at the next level GIMME A BREAK GO HOYAS GO GREG.. GREGBEMOREMEANERALSOMYMANBEMOREMEANERSTARTINGVSPOORHORACE beat savannah state on sat BAD
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Post by Filo on Nov 19, 2009 0:47:12 GMT -5
Actually he is RIGHT. It doesnt say that Monroe hurt his draft stock by coming back to school since the draft last year. It says he has hurt his draft stock in the time since the win over UCONN, which includes all the "troubles" of last season. What hurt his draft stock was that he wasnt able to step up and save flailing team that was desperately in need of a leader and some unity. That said I think coming back was the right choice, for all the reasons that Boz already said. But that sentence, the way it is written, is true. It's actually just a ridiculous statement. Monroe was projected to go pretty high in the last draft even based on his post-UConn performance. So, it still seems like "hurt his stock" means that Monroe will not go as high in the upcoming draft as he would have in the previous draft. And that is so off-the-wall based on 2 games that it does not even merit discussion. He was discussing what Chad Forde said about someone else who hurt his stock by coming back, so the context is Monroe hurting himself by coming back. |
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Post by royski on Nov 19, 2009 1:02:37 GMT -5
I'm generally a proponent of "the offense" but it does bother me that Monroe always seems to get the ball outside of the paint. This happened with Roy too, but I feel like because of Greg's superior perimeter skills it happens to far too great an extent. Call me a traditionalist, but a center is of best use to his team when he has the ball in the paint, either scoring on his one on one match-up or passing out of the double team to either a cutter or a 3 point shooter. I sure hope it comes around...
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Post by hsaxa2010 on Nov 19, 2009 1:31:25 GMT -5
I always thought we thrived when Roy got the ball down low (which might not have happened as often as people desired) and there were games when we pretty much relied on Roy to feast in the inside. But there hasn't been many times when Greg gets it downlow. I can think of many times where Greg drives, but we don't get too much of the feed the ball inside and let it be taken down low. That said, I'm not bashing the system or anything like that, I do like how the Center moves outside of just standing under the basket, but I think Greg has an untapped potential of destroying under the basket.
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Post by hoyaheaven on Nov 19, 2009 7:39:36 GMT -5
What a
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Post by hoyaheaven on Nov 19, 2009 8:11:33 GMT -5
What a bevy of comments...and the season has just started!! the Hoya tradition is being killed inexorably by a slavish adherence to yesterday's basketball theory.
This will not end well. The recruits are smelling something rotten in Denmark. They are saying "the hell with backdoor cuts!).
We look turgid, lost, leaderless. We are a joke...the Mc D AAs are suddenly nowhere to be seen. And worst, the buzz around Alums is getting downright scary.
One more season of excuses, one more season of 40+ point games, one more season of kids (and coaches) leaving the program, one more season of seeing how outdated we are....and then we can get religion, make choices, and start the long climb back to reality.
We're Ivy League basketball...the big boys are and will continue to eat our lunch.
(Eureka: they actually have a low post presense!!! See Pitino. See Kansas. See the rest of the big boy world)
Where are you Sleepy Floyed, where are you...??
Is it really darkest before the Dawn?
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 19, 2009 8:27:10 GMT -5
What a bevy of comments...and the season has just started!! the Hoya tradition is being killed inexorably by a slavish adherence to yesterday's basketball theory. This will not end well. The recruits are smelling something rotten in Denmark. They are saying "the hell with backdoor cuts!). We look turgid, lost, leaderless. We are a joke...the Mc D AAs are suddenly nowhere to be seen. And worst, the buzz around Alums is getting downright scary. One more season of excuses, one more season of 40+ point games, one more season of kids (and coaches) leaving the program, one more season of seeing how outdated we are....and then we can get religion, make choices, and start the long climb back to reality. We're Ivy League basketball...the big boys are and will continue to eat our lunch. (Eureka: they actually have a low post presense!!! See Pitino. See Kansas. See the rest of the big boy world) Where are you Sleepy Floyed, where are you...?? Is it really darkest before the Dawn? Candidate for post of all of recorded time. EDIT - oh, and imagine how bad things will be when the Hoyas actually LOSE a game. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria... |
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Post by tashoya on Nov 19, 2009 8:34:13 GMT -5
Reading comments from hoyaheaven is hoyahell. Go kick your dog or club a baby seal. Something more cheerful than the crap you spew. In any case, Greg's draft status is not even close to being an issue. Pull up a calendar. It's NOVEMBER. This is really getting tiresome. Additionally, the comparison of Greg to Roy, regardless of the system, is not realistic. Roy is a center. Greg is only playing center. They have vastly different skillsets. And Greg is not a big post presence yet. He lacks the strength still. He's still more finesse than muscle. He's got time to develop and maybe that's part of why he came back. Hopefully he mixes some muscle with his finesse as the year goes on but, as of right now, that's just not the player that he is. I'd like to see someone in the post (maybe Julian if he continues improving) and use Greg as the PF that he is where he is a matchup problem for pretty much everyone.
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Post by guru on Nov 19, 2009 8:54:52 GMT -5
What a bevy of comments...and the season has just started!! the Hoya tradition is being killed inexorably by a slavish adherence to yesterday's basketball theory. This will not end well. The recruits are smelling something rotten in Denmark. They are saying "the hell with backdoor cuts!). We look turgid, lost, leaderless. We are a joke...the Mc D AAs are suddenly nowhere to be seen. And worst, the buzz around Alums is getting downright scary. One more season of excuses, one more season of 40+ point games, one more season of kids (and coaches) leaving the program, one more season of seeing how outdated we are....and then we can get religion, make choices, and start the long climb back to reality. We're Ivy League basketball...the big boys are and will continue to eat our lunch. (Eureka: they actually have a low post presense!!! See Pitino. See Kansas. See the rest of the big boy world) Where are you Sleepy Floyed, where are you...?? Is it really darkest before the Dawn? Candidate for post of all of recorded time. EDIT - oh, and imagine how bad things will be when the Hoyas actually LOSE a game. Human sacrifice, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria... hoyaheaven is our useful idiot - maybe those who are similarly worked up about this team will read this and see how utterly moronic it is. It's two games into the season for goodness sake. |
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