harlemhoya
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Post by harlemhoya on Nov 18, 2009 14:15:58 GMT -5
From Gottlieb
• I was really impressed with the last offensive possession by Georgetown's Greg Monroe. He got outplayed by Lavoy Allen of Temple. Monroe could not even get a clear post-up position against the Temple guards on a switch on the next-to-last possession. But on the final possession, Monroe demanded the ball, pump-faked and drove to his right for the game-winning layup. Chad Ford wrote that Craig Brackins might have hurt his draft stock by coming back, but I would contend Monroe is the guy whose stock has fallen hardest since he destroyed Hasheem Thabeet last December in Storrs, Conn.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Nov 18, 2009 14:52:34 GMT -5
Yes Doug, he dropped all the way to a probable top 5 pick at the end of last season, and I am sure his 18 point 11 rebound, and game winning shot performance so far this season has really killed him. He's right about Monroes flaws, but his draft stock is based mostly on potential, and as long as he finishes plays like he was doing yesterday, he isn't going to take a big hit in that department.
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MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Nov 18, 2009 16:15:23 GMT -5
What a difference 9 or 10 months makes. We would have been THRILLED to have 5 or 6 wins just as bad as this one instead of some of the results we got the last half of last season. This is still a young team so take what you can get. GO HOYAS!!!
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 18, 2009 16:55:00 GMT -5
Yes Doug, he dropped all the way to a probable top 5 pick at the end of last season, and I am sure his 18 point 11 rebound, and game winning shot performance so far this season has really killed him. He's right about Monroes flaws, but his draft stock is based mostly on potential, and as long as he finishes plays like he was doing yesterday, he isn't going to take a big hit in that department. For most of the game (I believe past the half), Monroe had two points. Not what you want from a top five or ten pick to play against Temple.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 18, 2009 17:17:45 GMT -5
Yes, they were Temple, but they did have a lot of size inside. Still, I'd put my money on Greg.
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damnhoya
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Post by damnhoya on Nov 18, 2009 17:42:18 GMT -5
Gottlieb is a fool. Monroe will be a top 5 pick. At this point, I don't think he hurt or helped his draft position by coming back. Also, he's smart. He understands that potential and athleticism will only get him so far.
Look at Hibbert right now. He's playing great bball in the NBA (which most scouts thought wouldn't happen). Because there aren't many true centers left in bball, I think Hibbert will make a couple All-Star games in the next couple years. Yeah, I said it.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Nov 18, 2009 17:52:02 GMT -5
Quick thoughts:
A loss last night would have done some major damage to what I already perceive as a general lack of confidence/assertiveness on this team. Ironically, by winning the way we did, it might lead to bigger and better payoffs down the road than if we blew Temple out by 20, since we proved to ourselves we can gut it out and win close ones we have no business winning. Time will tell.
Love Jason Clark and Hollis Thompson. Throw in uber skilled Greg Monroe, and we have some majorly good talent among the youngsters. It's going to take time for all that to come together. Now if we can just get some consistency out of Vaughn and Sims. I didn't think Vaughn was that bad last night, his shots didn't fall but he was active. Sims? Ugh. He needs a break out game. Savannah State would be a good place to get him going.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 18, 2009 18:24:44 GMT -5
In CO's Hoya Prospectus writeups, CW is the player of he game. No, he didn't distribute all that well but he was our most efficient scorer because he got to the basket and the line.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Nov 18, 2009 18:26:53 GMT -5
Yes Doug, he dropped all the way to a probable top 5 pick at the end of last season, and I am sure his 18 point 11 rebound, and game winning shot performance so far this season has really killed him. He's right about Monroes flaws, but his draft stock is based mostly on potential, and as long as he finishes plays like he was doing yesterday, he isn't going to take a big hit in that department. For most of the game (I believe past the half), Monroe had two points. Not what you want from a top five or ten pick to play against Temple. And my point is one bad game where you still end up hitting the winning basket and making a few other big plays isn't going to kill your draft stock. Do I think Monroes stock could fall after this season? Yes, easily. Do I think it has fallen signifigantly since the Uconn game? No, not really at all actually.
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Post by FLHoya on Nov 18, 2009 18:44:26 GMT -5
In CO's Hoya Prospectus writeups, CW is the player of he game. No, he didn't distribute all that well but he was our most efficient scorer because he got to the basket and the line. Glad somebody mentioned the FTs. When you're playing as poorly on offense as we did yesterday, cheap points are invaluable. Let me say too, CW got some bailouts, but if that's how you get on the scoreboard so be it. Still trying to wrap my head around the side not as many folks are talking about--the defense. At the end of the day, we scored 46 but Temple only scored 45. What to make of that? Well, the Hoya Prospectus recap tells me that GU's defensive efficiency was very good. And I'm inclined to say that certainly in the first half GU was doing a good job on the defensive end. But then again: 1. Ten layups/dunks for Temple in the second half--many of the "defensive breakdown" variety. 2. Temple killed themselves at the line at the end of the game and left points on the court. 3. Offensive rebounds surrendered spiked big time. No idea what to make of this game. There's no convenient storyline that makes sense. When I read "We still won, it's all good" I think: gosh, but wasn't that just the worst performance in a long time and a giant red flag? When I read "Nothing has changed/We're still terrible" I think: wait a minute, did nobody realize Temple isn't bad? In the end you know what's funny: we're probably not gonna know for three weeks until the Butler game. I think Hoyatalk's Groundhog of Pessimism saw its shadow yesterday.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Nov 18, 2009 19:05:23 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can say that was the worst performance in a long-time after seeing any of the last ten games we played. Yes it was ugly,very ugly, but any win is far from the worst performance in a long time. Red flags aren't playing ugly in November against a team that's coach coached against your offense for 26 years, and is good defensively in general. Red flags are giving up a twenty point lead to St Johns in 6 minutes when you still have a good chance to play your way into the NCAA's. The way I see it: Right now we suck on offense. I don't think that means we are doomed to repeat last year, just that we need to improve and tweet our approach. Defensively we were pretty good overall, but had some lapses and really need to work on the 2-3. But we got big stops when we needed them and got big rebounds when we needed them, something we didn't do last year. Basically we are a 2-0 team, that has a ton of room for improvement, needs players who didn't see a lot of time last year to step up, and has crazy fans that need to relax and stop acting like this was a February game.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 18, 2009 19:19:21 GMT -5
Not that i agree, but i don't think gotleib was saying greg hurt his stock by coming back, but rather that his stock fell a lot during our slide last year. After the Uconn game greg was probably getting some conversations about whether he should be picked ahead of Griffin. He was at least the #2 pick at that point because of that game. Then the rest of last year happened and he fell somewhere between 5-20 pick by the end of last year. Which is fair. I think comign back will actually improve his stock closer to where he was after the uconn game.
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Post by FLHoya on Nov 18, 2009 20:28:04 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can say that was the worst performance in a long-time after seeing any of the last ten games we played. Yes it was ugly,very ugly, but any win is far from the worst performance in a long time. Red flags aren't playing ugly in November against a team that's coach coached against your offense for 26 years, and is good defensively in general. Red flags are giving up a twenty point lead to St Johns in 6 minutes when you still have a good chance to play your way into the NCAA's. To be fair, I was using those terms in a hypothetical. My point is what I stated above it: that I have no idea what to make of the game. I tend to be of the view that this early in the season, the only "bad" things that can result from a game are losses and injuries. Everything else is a W or an opportunity for improvement/to identify problem areas.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 19, 2009 8:41:00 GMT -5
But then again:1. Ten layups/dunks for Temple in the second half--many of the "defensive breakdown" variety.2. Temple killed themselves at the line at the end of the game and left points on the court.3. Offensive rebounds surrendered spiked big time.No idea what to make of this game. There's no convenient storyline that makes sense. When I read "We still won, it's all good" I think: gosh, but wasn't that just the worst performance in a long time and a giant red flag? When I read "Nothing has changed/We're still terrible" I think: wait a minute, did nobody realize Temple isn't bad?In the end you know what's funny: we're probably not gonna know for three weeks until the Butler game.I think Hoyatalk's Groundhog of Pessimism saw its shadow yesterday. ------------------------------------ +1
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 20, 2009 12:05:38 GMT -5
Speaking of Temple, my word of the day (delivered directly to my computer by the magic of email) had this item about the former coach of the owls using billingsgate as their word of the day.
Chaney would yell at him in his own particular patois -- an unapologetic stream of billingsgate far more creative than Marine drill instructors or master rappers. -- George Vecsey, "Learning at Temple: Se Habla Chaneyism", New York Times, March 19, 2000
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Nov 21, 2009 14:14:34 GMT -5
I still wish Chaney had gotten close enough to pop Calipari in the mouth. That was a press conference.
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lurkerhoya
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Post by lurkerhoya on Nov 21, 2009 14:31:25 GMT -5
I still wish Chaney had gotten close enough to pop Calipari in the mouth. That was a press conference. Simply awesome....
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Post by RDF on Nov 21, 2009 19:22:47 GMT -5
The best part is when Lamar Odom walks by in the black leather jacket as he was no doubt on a recruiting visit to UMASS and looking for the "Camby Special".
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Post by mapei on Nov 21, 2009 20:21:19 GMT -5
If that's his most memorable presser, the "goon" session has to come second.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 21, 2009 21:05:07 GMT -5
Temple just beat a very good sienna team. So there you negative nancies. Temple is not a bad team.
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