MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 2, 2009 12:14:38 GMT -5
-- I'm excited by the prospect of Wright/Clark/Freeman on the court at the same time, whether that's a starting lineup or not. -- From the very little I've seen of Hollis (Kenner/open practice), I'm not sure that he'd provide a rebounding boost over Freeman. I think those folks who are thinking in those terms are over-rating the value of length vs strength. And in person, he only looks to be an inch or two taller than Free. Its not just about Hollis being a better or worse rebounder than Austin. Its also about allowing Austin to finally play his natural position. Finally! Especially considering from all reports he looks to be in the best condition he has ever been in.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 2, 2009 12:55:06 GMT -5
I guess i am torn here;
I agree with MCI that to get maximum value out of Freemen who figures to be our #2 or #3 option that having him play at his natural position is ideal. Ideally every player would be at their natural position if possible.
That being said I guess I have always liked the idea of starting the best 5. Of course this argument only stands true if the original poster is correct, but say JT III deems the best 5 players as Monroe, Sims, Freeman, Clark, and Wright. Also for argument sake these are the 5 that in some way or form play the most minutes.
Is it worth having Freeman at the 2 and Thompson at the 3, if JTIII feels Clark is the better player than Thompson? I guess is the trade off, of moving Freeman to the 2 just because it's his natural fit at the expense of Clark playing less minutes worth it?
Maybe it is, it can certainly be argued that if Freeman is that important to the team this year that is vital he be comfortable and ask players like Thompson and Clark to adjust to their roles.
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Post by skyhoya on Nov 2, 2009 12:57:52 GMT -5
I think that III will go with maturity and start Chris and Austin at the guards, Greg and Julian as the bigs and start Nikita at the swing, bring in Hollis when Nikita gets out of control.
Jason will be first off the bench and Henry second, everyone else is a crap shoot, depending on the situation. My insiders tell me that Julian and Nikita have done the most to improve in the off season; however, just looking at Chris, he has really hit the weightroom hard. Austin really looks like he has trimmed down and is quicker.
All in all, I think all the polls are crap, these guys don’t get to see the players’ practice, so they depend on what others say. This team will be as good as Jeff’s sophomore team, maybe a little better. We could be a Sweet 16 team this year.
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Post by royski on Nov 2, 2009 13:16:54 GMT -5
I really hope we're not starting Nikita. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but talent wins basketball games and he's not as talented as Clark or from what I understand, Hollis.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 2, 2009 13:20:01 GMT -5
Being as good as Jeff's sophomore year would be amazing seeing as i fully believe that team could have won a national title.
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Post by skyhoya on Nov 2, 2009 13:28:24 GMT -5
They had UF in the second half at the MetroDome, just ran out of gas. We were short one more big that night.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Nov 2, 2009 13:40:38 GMT -5
Its not just about Hollis being a better or worse rebounder than Austin. Its also about allowing Austin to finally play his natural position. Finally! Especially considering from all reports he looks to be in the best condition he has ever been in. I can totally appreciate the "natural position" argument -- I just don't buy the "rebounding suffers" position that's been taken by at least a few posters.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 2, 2009 13:51:40 GMT -5
STARTERS DONT MEAN THAT MUCH anyway would love to see hollis at shotting forward austin at shotting guard chris at the point julian or henry start at center and hollis at shooting forward and the man greg at power forward WITH JASON COMING OFF THE BENCH FOR SCORING D AND THE PATRICK EWING SPARK
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 2, 2009 13:52:15 GMT -5
ps beware teh two headed monster center THATS THE KEY go hoyas
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 2, 2009 13:54:10 GMT -5
Keep in mind that even if Freeman, Clark and Wright play 30 minutes each, that only means 20 minutes where they are all on the court at once.
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Post by Giannicolus Jones on Nov 2, 2009 14:24:06 GMT -5
Keep in mind that even if Freeman, Clark and Wright play 30 minutes each, that only means 20 minutes where they are all on the court at once. How did you figure that out?
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 2, 2009 14:25:24 GMT -5
There's no way that Clark only plays 20 minutes. I bet Clark plays starter minutes. My guess: PG: Wright (33), Vee (5), Clark (2) SG: Clark (28), Freeman (12) SF: Freeman (20), Thompson (20), PF: Sims (23), Vaughn (12), Nikita (5) C: Monroe (35), Vaughn (5) Something like that. I pretty much agree with SF's breakdown. I never see Hollis getting minutes at PF.....benimon gets those minutes before hollis does. The kid is a twig.. I do believe however that nikita gets 10 plus minutes a game. While he is a liabilty on defense, he actually has some play making skills that some of our wing players struggle with. Plus, jt3 likes him. If everything I hear abouy vaghn is true.....we should be solid.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 2, 2009 14:40:14 GMT -5
Its not just about Hollis being a better or worse rebounder than Austin. Its also about allowing Austin to finally play his natural position. Finally! Especially considering from all reports he looks to be in the best condition he has ever been in. I can totally appreciate the "natural position" argument -- I just don't buy the "rebounding suffers" position that's been taken by at least a few posters. I beg to differ, I think overall it does matter. How many times last year did we see teams get 2nd and 3rd chances at a basket for Hoyas failure to corral the rebound. I saw too many times Freeman in good rebounding position only to have a 6"6-7" small forward either jump over him to get rebound or jump over him to tip ball to another teammate. Freeman's slimmed down body will not make him a great leaper although jumpping ability should improve. He still has average leaping ability trying to outrebound a 6'6-7" small forward in most cases Unless JT3 is saying that Jason is a better 2 guard than Freeman is right now, then I would rather see Hollis at the small forward position for most of the game.
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Post by Boz on Nov 2, 2009 15:00:51 GMT -5
If opposing players are routinely jumping over you to get or tip a rebound -- and they aren't fouling you in the process -- then my opinion is that you are not, in fact, in good rebounding position.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 2, 2009 15:12:24 GMT -5
I love Clark but would it be a bad thing if a guy who can score automatically and bring it defensively like him came off the bench as our 6th man? He could still end up getting more minutes per game than whoever starts at the three spot.
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Post by dense on Nov 2, 2009 15:32:48 GMT -5
See from what I've seen in Kenner i think Jason Clark may be our best/2nd best 3pt shooter right now. He really has improved a already decent shot. I think Clark should be out there as much as possible. And this comes from someone who is convinced that Hollis is going to be a NBA superstar. For those who havent seen id compare Hollis's game right now to Rasual Butler. Has a ridic jumper and a quick release just is long and lanky, but he does battle, so those twig arguments Im not buying, he battled pretty well this summer against guys way stronger than him. The funny thing is the people who ive heard are really playing well are Vaughn and Benimon.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Nov 2, 2009 15:49:04 GMT -5
I don't really care who starts as long as the best players get the most minutes. Clark is going to be at worst our 4th best player, so he should play "starter minutes" no matter what.
As for the size, I wouldn't consider our lineup to be small as long as we have 2 of Monroe, Sims, and Vaughn on the court for the vast majority of the game. We are likely to face more 3 guard lineups than 6'7" NBA-style SFs, so Freeman at the 3 is fine so long as the big guys rebound (DaJuan didn't).
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 2, 2009 16:02:03 GMT -5
I think we definitely see Greg and Julian together.
While a guard at the 3 is small, remember that we were small at 2 positions last year, not just one. Dajuan had the size but didn't use it well.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Nov 2, 2009 16:05:36 GMT -5
Our rebounding problem is not going to be solved by mixing up the starting lineup. Last year's team was player by player pretty terrible on the glass so putting x in for y doesn't solve anything.
The only way we improve rebounding is through player development. We don't have a combination based on last year's performance that would work any better. We might find out we do later on but for now that lineup has as much a chance of boarding as any other.
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Post by robbyt on Nov 2, 2009 16:27:57 GMT -5
This post is a trip, looks like a bunch of financial planners got on here budgeting minutes.
Only 3 major players in the true post rotation: Monroe, Sims, Vaughn. Plenty of playing time for all since bigs need rest.
Only 3 major players in the guard rotation: Wright, Freeman, Clark. Plenty of playing time for all since defensive intensity requires subs.
Hollis will see major time, Nikita probably a tweener, everybody else, who knows? Nobody. That's the beauty of this season. I like the little I know about Benimon and and Sanford, both look mentally tough, and have to prove themselves with no McDonald's All-American laurels to sit on. It is good that we have 4 (5 if Benimon is at all ready) solid bigs to beat up on each other in practice daily.
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