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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 17, 2009 11:46:47 GMT -5
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The jackbooted thugs in the black house (not racist, there are just black people in it - it's a bad joke) have completely mortgaged our future by capitulating to the terrorists that want to destroy our precious white (not racist) hetero christian way of life. How can you cut the missile defense shield? That was the only thing keeping us safe from North Korean thugs and dictators.
One-term TOTUS did it again.
[post link from Drudge/Fox/WorldNet/Whatever was on Freerepublic that day to prove point]
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[HoyaLawya] Birth Certificate. [/HoyaLawya]
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 17, 2009 11:54:05 GMT -5
Don't forget Russia. They dropped to their knees when Ronnie Raygun deployed missile defense.
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Post by TC on Sept 17, 2009 11:57:49 GMT -5
I love how he has the picture of Putin winking up there, as if to say Poland will be imminently nuked by Russia because Obama cut something.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 17, 2009 11:58:24 GMT -5
[Elvado] How dare you besmearch the name of the greatest president of all time. Liberal, Communist, Socialist, Fascist.[/Elvado]
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 17, 2009 12:01:42 GMT -5
[Elvado] The jackbooted thugs in the black house (not racist, there are just black people in it - it's a bad joke) have completely mortgaged our future by capitulating to the terrorists that want to destroy our precious white (not racist) hetero christian way of life. How can you cut the missile defense shield? That was the only thing keeping us safe from North Korean thugs and dictators. One-term TOTUS did it again. [post link from Drudge/Fox/WorldNet/Whatever was on Freerepublic that day to prove point] [/Elvado] [HoyaLawya] Birth Certificate. [/HoyaLawya] The missiles mattered less than the US troops on Polish and Czech soil part, which the Poles are now frantically trying to guarantee via other means (their FM just leaked that the US may host a base in northern Poland). There are lots of Eastern Europeans who are now very mad at the US and who think that we sold them out to the Russians. Obama is doing this to get Russian help on Iran. He really better have got something big. |
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Post by Boz on Sept 17, 2009 12:02:24 GMT -5
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Lighten up.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Sept 17, 2009 12:14:24 GMT -5
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Obama is doing this to get Russian help on Iran.
He really better have got something big.[/quote]
That was my thought as well. If Russia agrees not to veto sanctions on Iran then it is a good deal. If not then I personally cycle back to the Russians rolled our young Pres.
edit - It was kind of stupid though to announce this on the 70th anniversary of the Russian invasion of Poland to start WWII
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Post by Boz on Sept 17, 2009 12:27:10 GMT -5
Just for kicks:
"Let me be clear: Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile activity poses a real threat, not just to the United States, but to Iran's neighbors and our allies. The Czech Republic and Poland have been courageous in agreeing to host a defense against these missiles. As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven. If the Iranian threat is eliminated, we will have a stronger basis for security, and the driving force for missile defense construction in Europe will be removed.”
--President Barack Obama, April 5, 2009
Awesome! We've eliminated any Iranian threat!
Kinda' surprised that wasn't a bigger news story today.....
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 17, 2009 12:32:13 GMT -5
Just for kicks: "Let me be clear: Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile activity poses a real threat, not just to the United States, but to Iran's neighbors and our allies. The Czech Republic and Poland have been courageous in agreeing to host a defense against these missiles. As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven. If the Iranian threat is eliminated, we will have a stronger basis for security, and the driving force for missile defense construction in Europe will be removed.”
--President Barack Obama, April 5, 2009Awesome! We've eliminated any Iranian threat! Kinda' surprised that wasn't a bigger news story today..... This was headlining on WashPost for most of the morning (and still is). |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 17, 2009 12:36:21 GMT -5
One macro point to consider is that sometimes foreign policy is a matter of choosing among dung heaps. This may not be any different.
If the status quo were acceptable, it would not be an issue in the first place. Our policy on the matter had been reasonably consistent at least as long as the W. years and, maybe, longer. In the meanwhile, the Iran threat grew all the same. Nonetheless, the argument seems to be that this policy change, absent other considerations, stinks on its face, as if the other policy would achieve the goal of neutralizing Iran, keeping the Russians at bay, and the like.
I would expect that there isn't pride on the right when it comes to the past 8 years in these regards.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 17, 2009 13:05:58 GMT -5
Get out of Iraq by a specific date whether or not the Iraqis are yet capable of defending themselves, hesitation to provide the troops the military says are necessary to win in the war in Afghanistan which he says we must win, and now remove our missile shield from Poland. Jimmy Carter revisited.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 17, 2009 13:13:49 GMT -5
[Elvado] The jackbooted thugs in the black house (not racist, there are just black people in it - it's a bad joke) have completely mortgaged our future by capitulating to the terrorists that want to destroy our precious white (not racist) hetero christian way of life. How can you cut the missile defense shield? That was the only thing keeping us safe from North Korean thugs and dictators. One-term TOTUS did it again. [post link from Drudge/Fox/WorldNet/Whatever was on Freerepublic that day to prove point] [/Elvado] [HoyaLawya] Birth Certificate. [/HoyaLawya] I think the admins should pull this post. I find it offensive and I think it crosses a line. My opinion of the poster just went way down. |
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Post by Bando on Sept 17, 2009 13:17:27 GMT -5
Get out of Iraq by a specific date whether or not the Iraqis are yet capable of defending themselves, hesitation to provide the troops the military says are necessary to win in the war in Afghanistan which he says we must win, and now remove our missile shield from Poland. Jimmy Carter revisited. You can deploy all the interceptors you want, but it's not a missle shield if the system doesn't actually work. One would think deploying a system that has failed every test would be viewed as wasteful spending by conservatives, but then again, I forget that conservatives think defense is paid for with Monopoly money. |
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 17, 2009 13:41:28 GMT -5
Get out of Iraq by a specific date whether or not the Iraqis are yet capable of defending themselves, hesitation to provide the troops the military says are necessary to win in the war in Afghanistan which he says we must win, and now remove our missile shield from Poland. Jimmy Carter revisited. You can deploy all the interceptors you want, but it's not a missle shield if the system doesn't actually work. One would think deploying a system that has failed every test would be viewed as wasteful spending by conservatives, but then again, I forget that conservatives think defense is paid for with Monopoly money. Except it hasn't failed every test. This is the same system that's currently in Alaska and that has successful knocked down quite a few missiles. The system works. Even Gates and Obama have said that--they just said we didn't need any more in Alaska AT THE MOMENT. And here's a link to an article on a successful 2008 test. www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSWBT00766220070928 |
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 17, 2009 13:59:08 GMT -5
You can deploy all the interceptors you want, but it's not a missle shield if the system doesn't actually work. One would think deploying a system that has failed every test would be viewed as wasteful spending by conservatives, but then again, I forget that conservatives think defense is paid for with Monopoly money. Except it hasn't failed every test. This is the same system that's currently in Alaska and that has successful knocked down quite a few missiles. The system works. Even Gates and Obama have said that--they just said we didn't need any more in Alaska AT THE MOMENT. And here's a link to an article on a successful 2008 test. www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSWBT00766220070928If it works or doesn't (I think that it's a white whale and the money that's being spent is unconscionable), the issue is the US forces on Polish soil. Lots of Poles really feel betrayed now, and Z man is having a heart attack. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 17, 2009 14:08:55 GMT -5
[Elvado] The jackbooted thugs in the black house (not racist, there are just black people in it - it's a bad joke) have completely mortgaged our future by capitulating to the terrorists that want to destroy our precious white (not racist) hetero christian way of life. How can you cut the missile defense shield? That was the only thing keeping us safe from North Korean thugs and dictators. One-term TOTUS did it again. [post link from Drudge/Fox/WorldNet/Whatever was on Freerepublic that day to prove point] [/Elvado] [HoyaLawya] Birth Certificate. [/HoyaLawya] I think the admins should pull this post. I find it offensive and I think it crosses a line. My opinion of the poster just went way down. Hahaha brilliant. Wait, you're kidding, right? |
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Post by Bando on Sept 17, 2009 14:52:18 GMT -5
You can deploy all the interceptors you want, but it's not a missle shield if the system doesn't actually work. One would think deploying a system that has failed every test would be viewed as wasteful spending by conservatives, but then again, I forget that conservatives think defense is paid for with Monopoly money. Except it hasn't failed every test. This is the same system that's currently in Alaska and that has successful knocked down quite a few missiles. The system works. Even Gates and Obama have said that--they just said we didn't need any more in Alaska AT THE MOMENT. And here's a link to an article on a successful 2008 test. www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSWBT00766220070928I'm sorry. It hasn't passed a realistic test yet. It kept failing, so they designed a test it could pass (no countermeasures, one missile, etc.). Even if you grant that this test was legit (which I don't), you'd still need much more testing in realistic simulations before this system should be deployable. You're as well off relying on duck and cover as you are relying on missile defense (as it stands now) to ward off a nuclear attack. |
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 17, 2009 15:11:29 GMT -5
[Elvado] The jackbooted thugs in the black house (not racist, there are just black people in it - it's a bad joke) have completely mortgaged our future by capitulating to the terrorists that want to destroy our precious white (not racist) hetero christian way of life. How can you cut the missile defense shield? That was the only thing keeping us safe from North Korean thugs and dictators. One-term TOTUS did it again. [post link from Drudge/Fox/WorldNet/Whatever was on Freerepublic that day to prove point] [/Elvado] [HoyaLawya] Birth Certificate. [/HoyaLawya] I think the admins should pull this post. I find it offensive and I think it crosses a line. My opinion of the poster just went way down. [Elvado] It was a joke. Lighten up Francis. [/Elvado] |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 17, 2009 16:24:07 GMT -5
I think the admins should pull this post. I find it offensive and I think it crosses a line. My opinion of the poster just went way down. Hahaha brilliant. Wait, you're kidding, right? Indeed, I thought kchoya developed a thick skin from years of practice. My sense is that he was right then and that this strange outburst is veiled sarcasm. |
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 17, 2009 16:29:15 GMT -5
Hahaha brilliant. Wait, you're kidding, right? Indeed, I thought kchoya developed a thick skin from years of practice. My sense is that he was right then and that this strange outburst is veiled sarcasm. This baby is off the charts. snarkynet.com/images/sarcasm-detector-thumb.jpg |
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