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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 15, 2009 7:58:26 GMT -5
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hoya4ever
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Post by hoya4ever on Sept 15, 2009 9:46:50 GMT -5
wrong football hsb.
This is at Yale right? Even if we don't win the game, I hope to see some changes.
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Post by derhoya on Sept 15, 2009 9:53:28 GMT -5
it's at home. 1pm start. tailgate before hand led by John Arnold '07. everyone who wants some food and beverages oughta come on out!
Yale has a new coach and its their first game. so who knows what may happen in this game. i'm still optimistic.
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Post by ericcusimano on Sept 15, 2009 14:39:19 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm just being hopeful, but...
The freshman quarterback that came in as the clock wound down looks like the future of the team. I am most certainly not the one to evaluate talent on this but from a distance this guy looks like a quarterback.
Anyone got any idea if we may see more of him this weekend?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 15, 2009 15:02:27 GMT -5
sorry i meant that as our record after the game not the score.
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Post by eagle36 on Sept 15, 2009 15:09:30 GMT -5
I have heard that same scenario year after year"Freshamn quarterback is the future" as some point the coaches need to make a commitment to a quarterabck and develop that talent. Instead they seem to always look to the freshman class to be the newest and greatest football players throwing upperclassmen under the bus. You will not win collegiate football games when the percentage of players on the field are underclassmen. You can go back all four of Kelly's years at Georgetown and the scenario has not changed just the names of the players. All of these players are now Kelly recruits, yet he still does not seem at all committed to upperclassmen. I sure hope they turn this around, the coaches are nice guys that put in lots of hours,however just more of the same is not going to work.
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Post by hoyadad09 on Sept 15, 2009 18:44:59 GMT -5
Aren't a majority of the starters that played in the last two games upperclassmen? Are there any freshman starters on the offense/defense?
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Post by gwhiz on Sept 15, 2009 21:37:07 GMT -5
Hoyas lick their wounds and come away from Lafayette a stronger and smarter team. If D plays like it did against HC for first 3 Qs, then they keep us in the game. O needs 300 yds and 2 trips to the endzone to demonstrate some growth. They can do this.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 15, 2009 22:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaparents on Sept 16, 2009 9:34:06 GMT -5
Yes, they're Coach Kelly's recruits, his assistants, his offense, but it's not necessarily all his fault.
Now it's time for the alumni and friends to take a stand. The other programs in the Patriot league have outstanding alumni support and the support of their universities, providing the resources and facilities to be competitive.
I suggest that the alumni and friends of the program organize and take a stand.
Let's stop bitching and complaining, and do something.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Sept 16, 2009 10:19:33 GMT -5
Yes, they're Coach Kelly's recruits, his assistants, his offense, but it's not necessarily all his fault. Now it's time for the alumni and friends to take a stand. The other programs in the Patriot league have outstanding alumni support and the support of their universities, providing the resources and facilities to be competitive. I suggest that the alumni and friends of the program organize and take a stand. Let's stop bitching and complaining, and do something. Amen. The finger-pointing has to got stop. Yes, our play-calling has sucked for years, but it's not the only problem. If you care about the program, do something positive about it. I think the million dollar question, though, is: What is that something? |
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Post by hoyahopeful on Sept 16, 2009 12:41:07 GMT -5
I think the million dollar question, though, is: What is that something? I have said on this board before that the solution is to find a young, energetic assistant coach who will work 20 hours a day and break down walls to succeed. Make him the head coach and tell him the following: "The facilities will always be lousy; the money will always be scarce; the administration will pay you lip service but never really step up. But you will represent a fine school with a national profile that combines a beautiful campus with a great location in of one of the top cities in the world. Now go build a program!" When Benarnd Muir arrived, he decided to make a change late and ended up with a 20 year assistant whose last stop was the Naval Academy. By all accounts Coach Kelly is a good man and a good family man. But he has been unable to cope with the limitations and might have "Peter Principled" when he got the job at Georgetown. Prior to 1972 Georgetown had a lousy basketball program and played in a little gym on campus. And then they hired a very large man who was a local high school coach on a mission who frankly did not care about obtacles. Lefty Driesell's Terps owned the DC area basketball scene and then things started to change...quickly. That's the guy we need. No more dreams of great facilities. Occasionally we add lights or field turf, but the temporary stands are permanent and the scoreboard perfectly represents the current state of the program. No more promises of increased support. Just give a young ambitious football whacko the keys and get out of the way. |
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Post by 98hoya on Sept 16, 2009 15:32:55 GMT -5
I think the million dollar question, though, is: What is that something? I have said on this board before that the solution is to find a young, energetic assistant coach who will work 20 hours a day and break down walls to succeed. Make him the head coach and tell him the following: "The facilities will always be lousy; the money will always be scarce; the administration will pay you lip service but never really step up. But you will represent a fine school with a national profile that combines a beautiful campus with a great location in of one of the top cities in the world. Now go build a program!" When Benarnd Muir arrived, he decided to make a change late and ended up with a 20 year assistant whose last stop was the Naval Academy. By all accounts Coach Kelly is a good man and a good family man. But he has been unable to cope with the limitations and might have "Peter Principled" when he got the job at Georgetown. Prior to 1972 Georgetown had a lousy basketball program and played in a little gym on campus. And then they hired a very large man who was a local high school coach on a mission who frankly did not care about obtacles. Lefty Driesell's Terps owned the DC area basketball scene and then things started to change...quickly. That's the guy we need. No more dreams of great facilities. Occasionally we add lights or field turf, but the temporary stands are permanent and the scoreboard perfectly represents the current state of the program. No more promises of increased support. Just give a young ambitious football whacko the keys and get out of the way. Good post. The scenario you're suggesting is something like what actually happened when GU hired a 28 yr old head coach - the youngest in Division I - to head the Hoyas in the early 90s and to turn the program from a D-III mediocrity to a solid 1-AA squad. Every year, Coach Benson improved our standings in the MAAC until we just flat outgrew the league. Perhaps the next coach can do for us in the PL what Coach B did for us in the MAAC. |
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Post by newwestcoasthoya on Sept 16, 2009 15:36:23 GMT -5
Yes but 1972, Coach T created his team with a "not so" Georgetown, type of player. He didn't let the "powers that be" dictate who should and should not play. The BEST players played... period! I have said on the forum many times before that the BEST players don't always see consistent action on this football team. That is one of the major problems this program has, as demonstrated by the parent who ran on the field. A team like Georgetown's who does not have a large financial backing from the University itself will rely on Alumni & parents to contribute. Well, these contributors expect certain things in return, thus what we see is what we will always get.
Let the BEST players play, whether its YOUR SON or not, and you will see a change.
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 16, 2009 16:01:37 GMT -5
Yes but 1972, Coach T created his team with a "not so" Georgetown, type of player. He didn't let the "powers that be" dictate who should and should not play. The BEST players played... period! I have said on the forum many times before that the BEST players don't always see consistent action on this football team. That is one of the major problems this program has, as demonstrated by the parent who ran on the field. A team like Georgetown's who does not have a large financial backing from the University itself will rely on Alumni & parents to contribute. Well, these contributors expect certain things in return, thus what we see is what we will always get. Let the BEST players play, whether its YOUR SON or not, and you will see a change. Can you prove these allegations? I've seen it a few times before, with no additional comment. |
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Post by hoyaparents on Sept 16, 2009 16:10:06 GMT -5
newwestcoasthoya, that's nonsense.
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Post by 98hoya on Sept 16, 2009 17:53:57 GMT -5
newwestcoasthoya, that's nonsense. Sorry, newwest, I gotta jump on the bandwagon with the others here. I'm not sure what basis you have for your claims. I don't even understand some of them. Is there an analogy I'm missing when you suggest that, unlike JT Jr., Coach Kelley is somehow influenced by the powers that be as to who plays? I'm pretty sure that the powers that be are indifferent to who he plays. Further, I just don't understand the idea that the best players aren't playing...and I certainly don't understand the implication that coach isn't playing the best guys for some political reason. There are often disagreements about who is the most talented person at a given position, but it's not like coach is playing one guy over another because of some ulterior motive. |
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Post by newwestcoasthoya on Sept 16, 2009 19:25:19 GMT -5
Of course I cant prove these allegations but anybody here would have to be EXTREMELY naive not to think this happens! Its still my observation and the "powers that be" are the parents who pay for their kids to attend this University or the parents/alumni who donate to the program.
I've been watching this team for the past 3-4 years and this is what I see. I have also spoken to some of the players and this is their observation as well. Of course everyone is going to think they are the best no matter what but when I look at the posts in this forum every year, their is one common theme. People blame the coaching staff (which I do also), people blame our kids lack of talent, they blame the admin... but nobody is blaming the machine of a system that Gtown football is wrapped around.
How can a coach with such a bad record continue to coach without changing a thing. No matter how long a dog chases its tail, it will never catch it and that comparison is perfect for what goes on with this program. Something HAS to change, yet nothing does. So why is he still here? Politcs maybe?
Year after year, I read the same complaints from the same people, but I am a firm believer that our Gtown players can compete with most any team we face... if the best players were on the field at ALL times. So what if the best looking QB on Saturday is freshman, if he is the BEST he should play. Last year Keerome was never given 3 quarters to look bad. He was taken out after 1 series for the freshman. Last year, Phillip picked up more yrds in games as a 3rd string rb than the 1st & 2nd string. Why did he not play more? Why is he still 2nd string behind a Rb that has been injured for the past 2 years? Last year, why did Kenny Mitchell & Mike Harrison only touch the ball 3-4 times as receiver/slots whne they were 2 of the fastest players on the team. Rob Lane is a great footballplayer but he is not the fastest,so why is he playing slot instead of fullback where he can be the bruiser we know he is, opening holes and catching Fb screens? Why does the best receiver on the team beat a starting db everyday in practice, but never touch the field during games because he is a freshman?
What other serious programs does that?
All I have done was present a different way to look at this. We as NON-players tend to let the smoke and mirrors fool us sometimes. We watch the games and ASSUME the best players are on the field playing and if they are not on the field, they must not be as good as whoever is. But this is NOT always the case. Ask your kids or friends what they think about this, as I have done. I guarantee you they will say the same.
There is an ulterior motive for everything in life. Football is no exception. NO matter if it is football at U of Florida or Gtown. With this forum being full of if recruiting topics, financial issues topics and even dismantling the program topics, I would say Gtown has more of a motive to cater to a certain type of player than others.
So everybody who disagrees can play like they don't understand if they want but we cant fix a broken arm with a bandaid. Until the real issue of why this program is in the shape it's in are addressed, then then every post on this forum is obsolete and purely entertaining. If we accept mediocrity then that is EXACTLY what we will get.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 16, 2009 19:36:42 GMT -5
Yes but 1972, Coach T created his team with a "not so" Georgetown, type of player. He didn't let the "powers that be" dictate who should and should not play. The BEST players played... period! The "powers that be" did not tell Jack Magee or Tommy O'Keefe who to play, much less Scotty Glacken or Bob Benson. This is a supposition, not an argument, and not a good one for either. But one comparison deserves a second look. Thompson got the players he wanted--and needed--to compete. Admissions perceptions notwithstanding, Georgetown competes on the same level as every Big East school when it comes to recruits; namely, if they can meet NCAA criteria, they're usually good to sign. Georgetown football can't do that, and that's not Kelly's doing nor even the University. Even if Kelly had been able to persuade a Jelani Jenkins or a DeAntwan Williams that four years at the MSF was a better deal than Maryland or Rutgers, the Patriot League stilll wouldn't allow Georgetown to sign them. (Ironically, they might have let Fordham, but that's for another topic.) Because of the Patriot League's use of academic banding, Georgetown has a smaller set of recruits than probably anyone in the nation outside H-Y-P. Among all high school football recruits, 85% are eliminated solely on SAT/GPA ranges. Of the 15% left, the staff has to find 30 that a) are capable of the academic challenges, then find those who aren't going to sign with a I-A school in the first place, and haven't already been signed by a I-AA scholarship school, and aren't going to sign first with the Ivies, and aren't going to take a better aid offer from someone in the Patriot League, oh AND that like the program enough to commit to it regardless of costs, and presumably become a game-changer right fron the start. Before we start asking the coaches to let the best players play, maybe we ought to have the coaches to recruit on a level playing field. |
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